Common Conspiracy: Writers Needed to Post Right Wing Comments (National), page 1

reply to post by Jason88

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So that's why this place is overrun with right wingers! Is anyone hiring for the left wing? I might as well get paid for this.

reply to post by Evolutionsend

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As a matter of fact the left wing is hiring too: toronto.en.craigslist.ca...

I'll get a screen grab and add it in here before it gets taken down.

Do not have time or care to re-size this grab, but here it is:

reply to post by Jason88

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Awesome! It’s about time the right employs the tactics of the left. I'd love to get paid for crushing liberals. I do it every day for free right now!

Hey, the left wing wrote the book on these tactics. How about this video of a left wing lunatic trying to make a mockery of a Tea Party rally?



Or how about this article that exposes the orchestrated effort by the left to discredit the Tea Party:
Examiner

One site, called Crash the Tea Party, says the following on their so-called home page;

Who We Are: A nationwide network of Democrats, Republicans and Independents who are sick and tired of all that loose affiliation of racists, homophobes and morons; who constitute the fake grass-roots movement which calls itself "The Tea Party."

What We Want: To dismantle and demolish the Tea Party by any non-violent means necessary.

How We Will Succeed: By infiltrating the Tea Party itself! In an effort to propagate their pre-existing propensity for paranoia and suspicion...we have already sat quietly in their meetings, and observed their rallies. Whenever possible, we will act on behalf of the Tea Party in ways which exaggerate their least appealing qualities (misspelled protest signs, wild claims in TV interviews, etc.) to further distance them from mainstream America and damage the public opinion of them. We will also use the inside information that we have gained in order to disrupt and derail their plans.

reply to post by seabag

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Ten cops to deal with this one nut. I'm not taking sides today, but that looks more like a fraternity stunt than anything real: "give me my freedom" means pretty much nothing. To address your Examiner link, well that's sad really. Some people think of politics like Monday Night Football. We all lose with that mentality.
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I'm hoping ATS members can find other examples of the outright gaming of systems to benefit one political party or another. It's unethical for starters. Some say it's who ever screams the loudest wins, but in my experience it's the ones who fake the size of their movement that actually cause lesser minded folks to believe them. And gaming, done properly, aims to change the perception of the actual size of a movement.

An example known to ATS; two guys with twenty profiles begin posting the same garbage and support it with all their profiles giving the perception a movement is taking place when in fact it's two losers with too much time. And if they're not getting paid, then we have some mental issues to deal with.

I want more of those examples from political forums and high traffic websites. I'll do my work, and hope others are interested too and will uncover examples of gaming to change perception.

reply to post by Jason88

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DUDE!

Where's the link.


I need to know where to apply...

reply to post by Jason88

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You don’t believe that there are people gaming the system? The liberals wrote the book on shady election practices. It happens across the country in local and national elections and they do it openly in some cases. There are so many examples out there of liberals gaming the system that I could never list them all. How about this one?

Link

8/11/06, Washington, DC –ACORN’s recent run-in with the Franklin County elections board for allegedly turning in falsified voter registration cards is only the latest in a long-standing pattern of dubious elections practices. ACORN employees have been accused of submitting bogus voter registration cards and forging signatures on ballot initiatives in 12 states since 2004. In addition to Ohio, ACORN employees have been accused of illegal elections practices in New Mexico, Florida, Colorado, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Virginia among others.

How about Black Panthers with night sticks intimidating republican voters? They made threats of violence to voters according to people who were there.



How about during the recent midterm elections where bogus and duplicate ballots were turned in by liberals?

LINK

Liberal nonprofit Houston Votes 2010, along with Tex Together Fund, are being investigated by the state’s attorney general’s office over allegations of fraud, conspiracy and ties to the New Black Panthers. In a recent voter registration drive, Houston Votes turned in to the Harris County Registrar’s office 26,000 applications – and a whopping 5,500 forms were rejected due to improper identification and duplicate entries.

How about liberals literally paying people to vote?

LINK

Milwaukee – Imitating the infamous “smokes for votes” scandal of the 2000 election, a small leftwing Wisconsin front group has been caught handing out barbecue chicken dinners to those who vote early in the Wisconsin recall elections. During the 2000 campaign a wealthy liberal activist was caught passing out cigarettes to Milwaukee’s homeless in exchange for their vote in the all-important presidential election. Over a decade later, Wisconsin Jobs Now!, a small group sponsored by the union umbrella Citizen Action of Wisconsin, hosted “block parties” in northern Milwaukee and essentially paid citizens to vote.

reply to post by seabag

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I appreciate the work you've put into providing these links and sources, there's no doubt people will push their agenda no matter what ethics they may trample on. Add in a bit of paranoia and lots of mistrust, and pretty soon everyone is doing it to everyone else.

I'm not sure on who wrote the book. My guess would be its most current version comes from military psyops manuals - I don't think one party did this, I think it has darker origins, but maybe the Liberals just got hold of the manual sooner.

What I'm really after is this: A respected author/blogger/journalist/analyst writes a political piece and leaves it open to debate with a comments section available. Those comments then become a playground for gamers to work popular opinion usually against the premise of the article. It's a niche request, and one I'll be investigating too, but I think it's important as the ethics, morality, and principals of participants all come into question, and can be reversed to better understand the positioning of the candidate they support.

Side note: I think most of us on ATS could get a job at any one of these campaigns practicing this online behavior, but why? What's the point of living if that's your "job."

Originally posted by Jason88
reply to post by seabag

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What I'm really after is this: A respected author/blogger/journalist/analyst writes a political piece and leaves it open to debate with a comments section available. Those comments then become a playground for gamers to work popular opinion usually against the premise of the article. It's a niche request, and one I'll be investigating too, but I think it's important as the ethics, morality, and principals of participants all come into question, and can be reversed to better understand the positioning of the candidate they support.

Side note: I think most of us on ATS could get a job at any one of these campaigns practicing this online behavior, but why? What's the point of living if that's your "job."

OK, I understand what you’re looking for. Aside from your OP with the craigslist ad I’m not sure how anyone could identify when it’s happening. Besides, the biggest gaming going on is through the mainstream media. They spew propaganda all day/every day. It’s everywhere!

Half the time when someone expresses a dissenting opinion they are accused of trolling. Who knows if it’s true?? I’ve been accused of being a troll. I’m not, but I do disagree with a lot of posts.

It’s obvious that what you described is going on to some extent but I don’t think it’s that wide spread for two simple reasons – it’s not that affective and it’s far too subtle! I’ve debated so many posts on this site and many others and my core beliefs have not changed, the way I vote has not changed, and I don’t think my posts have changed the way anyone else thinks either. The examples I showed in my previous post were blatant, in your face, direct methods of achieving the desired outcome. Why waste time responding to posts when you can just make fake or duplicate ballots or pay someone?

reply to post by seabag

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Those are all solid points. And goes to the effectiveness of actually gaming comments, it's likely not worth it as you described. The comments are subtle, but to us, and many members of ATS this is nothing new. Today, there are even more "silver surfers" on the Internet than ever before, and this older generation has no idea about the slight ways in which popular opinion is gamed on the web.

I agree those examples are hard to find, the comments gamed, but on a larger scale when stories themselves become the product of a popularity contest by gaming then I think we have a real problem. As was done to the Digg website.

Anyone really interested in this ethical issue, should read this undercover story written for AlterNet. This journalist is so thorough he tracks users across many websites, different user names, and gains entrance into their private groups to track them. It's fascinating in scope, organization, and for me, the best part is the comments in his article. The actual people he uncovers show up in there and go totally nuts, all 546 of them. It's very entertaining, and sad too.

A group of influential conservative members of the behemoth social media site Digg.com have just been caught red-handed in a widespread campaign of censorship, having multiple accounts, upvote padding, and deliberately trying to ban progressives. An undercover investigation has exposed this effort, which has been in action for more than one year.

“The more liberal stories that were buried the better chance conservative stories have to get to the front page. I’ll continue to bury their submissions until they change their ways and become conservatives.” -phoenixtx (aka vrayz)

Source: blogs.alternet.org...

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