its the same mountain and the picture is taken from the same angle *ROFL*

[edit on 2-9-2004 by NeonHelmet]

[edit on 10/2/2004 by esther]

Originally posted by esther
Way to go Pantha !

Yes totally impressive ! I found a link at the top of pic one and it took me to big bend national park site

"From an elevation of less than 2,000 feet along the Rio Grande to nearly 8,000 feet in the Chisos Mountains, Big Bend includes massive canyons, vast desert expanses, and the entire Chisos Mountain range. "

And since these pics are almost identical , I would say a common vista point , might be able to find a map , or inquire directly thru that site as to which one .

[edit on 2-9-2004 by oddtodd]

Interesting stuff... If it wasn't for the fact he didn't give permission, I would have said that it must be an illustration in reference to an article on identifying and engaging UFOs. So maybe they just went ahead and used them anyway, in which case how did they end up on the public domain?
If they are illustrations relating to engaging UFOs, then it's an admission that they take this seriously.

This is most perculiar...

EDIT:

As the address in the e-mail is Langley, then this implies that the whole thing is American in origin, hence we should only be looking at American planes.. Sorry if someone else has already said something to this effect - I do admit I read the posts fairly quickly..

[edit on 2-9-2004 by AgentSmith]

Someones playing mind games.Wonder who and why.Maybe the govt fishing or just trying to wind up people on this site

In both shots the orbs have been super-imposed/photoshopped into the image. The aircraft in the 1st shot has been accomplished quite well, but in the 2nd shot has a bit of a CGI thing going.

Do we know what the time span was between each image, as the person taking these shots would have been able to move faster than the spurious UFO's they are taking the shots of. The 2nd shot was taken from a lower position to the first shot, and I would guesstimate around 3 to 5 seconds tops for the craft to have moved from the 1st shot to the 2nd.

However, you're not looking to debunk, as you seem to have ideas of your own which you have yet to divulge.

Is this evidence of training sims for UFO interception? Or somebody working on "Independence Day 2"?

Aircraft are not my forte, but it looks like a Tornado.

For me there are a few things in the images that make a lil alarm in my head go of of doctoring.

Image 1:
First would be the overbrighting of the rock surface under the 2 orbs, it looks wrong for some reason.
Seconds would be the quality of the 2 orbs in the image, compared to the quality of the rest of the image.
Third would be the typical pixel distortion you have with editing, around the aircraft.

Image 2:
First the lensflares look of, especialy if you look at the overbrighting of the rocks in the first image, I'd think the camera would sooner overbright the full image with those orbs(that give that much overbright on the rocks in the first image) then give those lensflares, that by themself look odd.
Second, same as in first image, the aircraft looks a lil shopped.
Third would be the quality of the orbs(again) compared to the rest of the picture. If you look closely, the Jet seems to fire a missile causing the lightflare under it, if you look at that flare, you can clearly see blockyness, wich you don't see in the orbs.


Thats from a sceptic view.

If the images were real, my guess on the aircraft would be an F16, going on the single tail.

The location is already established.

Dunno, images have several clue's to editing, if they aren't they are very interesting to say the least.

One thing I'd have to say is odd not about the image itself, but about the manuever of the jet. It strikes me odd how it would go from the position in the first image to the position in the second image while the photographer has enough time to move himself to a seemingly lower point to shoot the picture.

I would like to venture a Eurofighter or a Mirage 2k. Not sure if the Eurofighter is in service yet, though.

Originally posted by DeltaNine
I would like to venture a Eurofighter or a Mirage 2k. Not sure if the Eurofighter is in service yet, though.

Why would the US be chasing a UFO in an outdated european jet above their own soil?

Here's one base nearby to the 'Big Bend' - it's Fort Bliss and it is primarily an air defense artillery training center.. But... it is also the permanent base for the German Air Force Defense School..
This might be relevent to the comments on the webpage of the original mountain photo, where the guy says about being contacted by the DoD in using his pictures?

Thank you all, for your help.

This is fantastic success in just a short time.

I empathize with your sceptical tone, JAK, and can assure you I am not now working in any official capacity of commission for a government agency (it has been four years since my last).

We are as many of you, casting healthy doubt over these images. I wish I still had access to the entire series, which is far more compelling. We believe the series was taken by the same person (or we are to believe they were) as this "event" unfolded before their eyes.

The mountains of the American desert southwest was indeed one of our strong suspicions, but we never found the excellent image of Big Bend discovered by your member, Pantha. This provides some new areas of investigation for myself and fellow.

Simon was much more than correct about this group... you are all brilliant, thank you again. We'll report our findings as discovered.

"DrJim"