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Originally posted by ColCurious
I agree that things have to change and I welcome OWS as an expression of discontent.
However, I don't believe that they can decide or change anything, because most people just don't care enough.
The gerenal QoL is still too high and it has to get much worse before the people wake up.
The only thing OWS can do right now is raise awareness.
From an outside point of view, the present US society is so fundamentally divided that I'm not sure how they can overcome their counterposed paradigms to unite and solve the mess they're in.
Now would be the time to reform the system before it collapses, but the majority doesn't get it.
I pretty much gave up hope on this... most people only learn through suffering.
Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl
In NYC you pay half a million for a shack. Wake up hon!
Oh boohoo honey. I grew up in the mountains of WV, in a house that my Dad built with his own hands. We lived in a motor home for the three years that it took him to build it. We always had food, and always had heat. It's getting to the point that people can't work to support themselves. It's happening in places where it shouldn't be happening, and that's a problem for me.edit on 3-11-2011 by Evolutionsend because: (no reason given)
very soon, even this thread will be filled with their armchair envy/hatred, self centred, bombostic egoistical diatribes and much more.
Originally posted by wagnificent
Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
It is VERY immature of the OWS supporters to constantly say things along the lines of "It's obvious...if you don't support us, it means there is something WRONG with YOU."
*We're sitting in front of the computer in our undies eating doritos.
*We're plants, sent in by TPTB to complain.
*We're obviously part of the 1%.
*We're greedy, and don't care about anyone.
This argument is a failure, and makes those of you making it look petty.
Can you not understand that I can disagree with you without being ANY of the things I listed above?????
Your post exemplifies exactly what I'm describing. You cherry-picked from my post and misrepresented it, then you added in things I never said or even insinuated. I said nothing about you being wrong in any way other than the futility of complaining on a forum. I did say that dissent is necessary, and your dissent is no exception. I also pointed out the consequences of not participating in this movement whether you dissent against the government or the protesters.
I did call people who choose not to participate "sheople." Is it invalid to say that a person who has given up their potential for leadership is choosing to be a follower?
I said nothing about stupidity, shills, TPTB, greed or the 1% whatsoever.
The things I pointed out as obvious were not intended to support any particular view, and I don't think they provided any such support.
I did say that if you are only sitting behind a computer complaining, you are are unlikely to have your grievances heard by those involved in the movement. Is this not true?
I agree that your interpretation of my argument is a petty failure, but your interpretation of my argument bears little resemblance to my actual argument.
Originally posted by malcr
This has already degenerated and we are'nt even past page 1! One thing I would like to remind people about. The protests are worldwide not just US. So when US folks come out with the usual US centric problems and solutions (either side of the argument) they forget the bigger picture.
We are in a global economy and it is failing for the vast majority of people of the world. It's all about too few people with too much wealth and power, even the arab spring is all about that, just more extreme due to governments being dictatorships.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by wagnificent
Actually, I know quite a bit about OWS now. I created threads in order to learn and educate myself.
And I have.
OWS is a naive movement that wants bigger government and more government control. They support a larger influence of government over business.
Here's a great site (above), I did a small breakdown of their points in another thread of mine. The Cute Baby Kitten thread.
OWS is not for me. I'm for smaller gvernment, personally.
But good luck with your big government thing.
edit on 3-11-2011 by beezzer because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by GhettoRice
I'm not sure about deaths, but there have been at least two reported rapes that have occurred at Occupy protests. One of the victims was a 14 year old girl.