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posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 04:09 AM
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I agree with GradyPhilpot, you should concentrate on your academics, because if you don't, there is a strong chance you will remain a Republican.

You are young and already you have decided to close your mind, please for your own sake and the sake of anyone you wish to lead, OPEN YOUR MIND...look at what is happening in the world, see what capitalist greed causes. It's not too late.




posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 04:09 AM
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Tachyon relax, most college age kids are very liberal for reasons having nothing to do with belief in agendas. Its simply fashionable. Saying you are pro-choice is a great way to get laid. Saying you think the war is wrong makes you "sensitive" and "enlightened"
The truth is the average college kid has no experience in the real world nor the capabillity of understanding the way the world really works. College professors (especially those who are tenured) live in an sheltered world that real life very rarely intrudes upon. As a result they can afford to be liberal.
Whats truly telling is how short the half-life of those liberal beliefs are once the person leaves college. Those who have theroretical knowledge are usually liberal those with practical knowledge are usually conservative becuase the real world shreds most theroies, especially social, economic, and political.
Most kids in college want to rebel against the authorities and make thier own voice heard, its a crucial part of cutting the apron strings. Taking part in protests, speaking out against unpopular polciesare all ways for young adults to become thier own person.
Unfortunatly the humuours, yet disturbng image of college displayed in the movie PCU are rapidly becomming reality. Don't sweat it and stay strong.



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by taibunsuu
The chances you can become somewhat of significant weight in the officer ranks of the DoD without ever hearing a shot fired in anger are slim-to-none.


This statement is not entirely true of General of the Armies Dwight D. Eisenhower.




Eisenhower's practical education as a military officer advanced slowly and without great distinction. During World War I, he failed to receive the combat experience he wanted and served instead as the commander of Camp Colt, a tank training center in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. From 1922 to 1924, he was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone and came under the tutelage of Brigadier General Fox Conner. Conner recommended Eisenhower for the command and general staff school in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, where he was graduated first in his class in 1926. He became an aide to General Douglas MacArthur, and in 1933 went with MacArthur to the Philippines where he helped reorganize the republic's army. His relationship with MacArthur was nothing like his friendship with Conner. Late in life, Eisenhower said that "probably no one has had more, tougher fights with a senior than I had with MacArthur."


This caused him considerable criticism in his first command as a combat commander.



It was his first assignment as a combat commander, and his lack of battlefield experience bothered other officers. To Sir Bernard Montgomery, the British Eighth Army commander, Eisenhower seemed like "a very nice chap" who knew "nothing whatever about how to make war or to fight battles." The invasion of North Africa, and especially the American defeat at Kasserine Pass, revealed that some of the criticism of Eisenhower was justified. The early campaign, which lasted from November 1942 to March 1943, was poorly coordinated and badly implemented. On the battlefield, the Allied command structure was confused and inadequate. Eisenhower, who spent much of his time focusing on political and logistical problems, could not galvanize his forces.


college.hmco.com...


There was combat in the PI in the 30s.

In today's Army or Marine Corps, if two captains are vying for a major slot, both are equal, but one had a combat command, guess who's going to get it.



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
Tachyon relax, most college age kids are very liberal for reasons having nothing to do with belief in agendas. Its simply fashionable. Saying you are pro-choice is a great way to get laid. Saying you think the war is wrong makes you "sensitive" and "enlightened"


What a crock.......
You seem to confirm that being pro-war you are not sensitive and enlightened and the generalisation that these students do it just to get laid...



The truth is the average college kid has no experience in the real world nor the capabillity of understanding the way the world really works.


I almost agree......but still a generalisation, it's highly dependent on the individuals upbringing.


College professors (especially those who are tenured) live in an sheltered world that real life very rarely intrudes upon. As a result they can afford to be liberal.


Yet another generalisation, I would like to know your definition of "Real World"



Whats truly telling is how short the half-life of those liberal beliefs are once the person leaves college. Those who have theroretical knowledge are usually liberal those with practical knowledge are usually conservative becuase the real world shreds most theroies, especially social, economic, and political.


The world is what we make it.

I agree (a little) with your idea regarding the half-life of Liberal beliefs.
A great many individuals become disallusioned with what western governments do throughout the world, cynicism creeps in as you find yourself fighting to retain your original ideals, but you cannot stop the process for which you yearn. The removal of a self-centred hypocrisy.


Most kids in college want to rebel against the authorities and make thier own voice heard, its a crucial part of cutting the apron strings. Taking part in protests, speaking out against unpopular polcies are all ways for young adults to become thier own person.
Unfortunatly the humuours, yet disturbing image of college displayed in the movie PCU are rapidly becomming reality. Don't sweat it and stay strong.


The rebelious teens is a well known fact, something I didn't actually go through myself, but I agree with this statement. But thats not to say they don't have genuine and justified beliefs for what they are rebelling against.



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 04:54 AM
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Someone once said that if you're not a liberal by the time you're 20 you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 40 you have no common sense.



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 05:24 AM
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No koka I was saying that those who are against the war believe they are more enlightened and sensitive not that they are.
Liberals in my experience love to brag about how much more enlightened and evolved they are than conservatives. The common (mis)conception being that conservatives are heartless, greedy, oppresssing, bigoted, neanderthals. In fact nothing could be further from the truth.The reason I don't support welfare is because I DO believe in my fellow man, I believe in teaching a man to fish rather than giving him a fish. I don't support Affirmative action because I beleve that everyone regardless of color has the abillty to succeed WITHOUT preferential treatment. I believe in smaller government because I believe that the citizens of America are quite capable of leading productive society enriching lives without the government interferring in every aspect of thier lives. I believe in the small business owners in America and those who work hard for an honest days pay. I also however recognise that not everyone has honest intentions and that there are people in the world who would like nothing more that to see every American ctizen dead or tortured, which I why I support heavy military and intellgence spending. I also believe that the war on terror is better fought halfway around the world than on main street which is why I support the war on Iraq. It all comes down to a matter of perspective.



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 06:16 AM
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The word "education" is derived from 2 Latin words, & literally means "to lead out". Now this isn't what you expected, TACHYON, you would obviously b much happier in a place where your values were re-affirmed & "rammed in". I'm really sorry about that, but them's the breaks.

And I truly feel for your present situation, what with having to dodge flyers on every corner, & having teachers who are trying to expose you to different views of a world you've already formed your own opinions on. It seems that changing colleges isn't an option, & there's been some really depressing posts here that say you can't get a top brass job in the military without getting all down & dirty on the battlefield.

Life really sucks sometimes. So in the meantime, since you wanna hold on to your views on the world so badly, & you don't wanna be contaminated by these loony liberals you're surrounded by, here's my compassionate advice to a young man like you.

Study hard, get your degree or whatever-it-is, avoid the pollution around you - & get some Ayn Rand novels to read in the meantime - trust me on this, you'll love 'em. Forget about this glorious military career [since you're not prepared to do the necessary hard yards to achieve the glory you want] - a fine young man such as yourself would be ideally suited to a plethora of employers & corporations. Maybe even Microsoft.



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 06:52 AM
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Yes, you are correct, the universities are purposely liberal, and yes, you'll find that the majority of professors have a decidedly left-wing agenda. You'll be hard pressed to find one that is not like that, so if you want their stupid sheepskin, you'll have to wadw through the sheep crap.

What most people don't know is that this was concerted effort by the Soviets to destroy our nation from within by corrupting the minds of our youth as soon as they left home and went to "higher" education centers. It wasn't only large, upscale universities they targeted with liberal teaching. In my state, the University of Alabama was targeted because it was a good school, and many of the north-eastern families who couldn't afford the Ivy-League schools could afford the cheaply priced school in Alabama, so they used this school as a brainwashing site, too. Interesting, even after the Cold War is allegedly over, some of the weapons are still causing harm.

Don't worry about it, though, get your sheepskin and get out. While you're there enter into reasonable discussions with the duped, keep your temper in check and be polite. The nuggets you give them will help them come out of the liberal-induced brain fog later. It'll only be a matter of time before the brainwashed realize that the tax-money they want to give to every person with a hand out comes from their own pockets, no, in fact, the government can't do things better than the civilian sector, and although some people here still haven't learned to think on their own, but most can figure out that Hussein had the chem/bio weapons before since we know he killed thousands of Kurds with them, played shell games with U.N. inspectors for years rather than simply complying and then had several months to pass them off to other nations before we invaded.

Considering how many people pass through the "hallowed" halls of the centers for higher learning, it is clear that the American people aren't as brainwashed as the elite Left would like, elsewise Gore would be president instead of Bush. And yes, Bush won fair and square; the Florida ballots were counted so many times that had they been poker cards the numbers would have been worn off!



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
It'll only be a matter of time before the brainwashed realize that the tax-money they want to give to every person with a hand out comes from their own pockets, no, in fact, the government can't do things better than the civilian sector, and although some people here still haven't learned to think on their own, but most can figure out that Hussein had the chem/bio weapons before since we know he killed thousands of Kurds with them, played shell games with U.N. inspectors for years rather than simply complying and then had several months to pass them off to other nations before we invaded.


After that schbeel, I can only assume, TC, that your brain requires a final rinse.



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
What most people don't know is that this was concerted effort by the Soviets to destroy our nation from within by corrupting the minds of our youth as soon as they left home and went to "higher" education centers. It wasn't only large, upscale universities they targeted with liberal teaching. In my state, the University of Alabama was targeted because it was a good school, and many of the north-eastern families who couldn't afford the Ivy-League schools could afford the cheaply priced school in Alabama, so they used this school as a brainwashing site, too. Interesting, even after the Cold War is allegedly over, some of the weapons are still causing harm.


No offense but what the hell are you talking about with this "most people don't know" but there's a "Soviet conspiracy in education" talk? Alabama was targeted? How praytell?

Is this from all that Reagen crap about how the Soviets tried to ban the Boy Scouts in America?

I know you like that "evil" talk and all but you mean you actually buy it and think that stuff was real? Let me ask another key clarifying postion on this.

Pro-McCarthy I imagine? It took college for me to get over the Reagen "Day After" nightmares that somehow people starving in bread lines were coming to get me. Does growing out of Reagen by 18 prove the college conspiracy?



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 03:29 PM
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LOL, more stuff on campus today,although i enjoyed the entertainment available hehe. Its funny if guys think being a certain political orientation will get them laid, all I have to say is fake losers. Thanks for pointing it out mwm1331.
I support the war and my friend says im too sensitive LOL go figure. And thanks Bastet for your input.


Originally posted by Koka
I agree with GradyPhilpot, you should concentrate on your academics, because if you don't, there is a strong chance you will remain a Republican.

You are young and already you have decided to close your mind, please for your own sake and the sake of anyone you wish to lead, OPEN YOUR MIND...look at what is happening in the world, see what capitalist greed causes. It's not too late.


How have I decided to close my mind, I have experienced lots of things. And what is wrong with being a capitalist? Im glad I can get the best car, radio etc....I as a consumer am happy, the company selling me is happy, case closed.


Originally posted by taibunsuu
Someone once said that if you're not a liberal by the time you're 20 you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 40 you have no common sense.


I guess this means I am very mature, and able to make wise decisions as opposed to other 20 year olds.

[edit on 2-9-2004 by TACHYON]



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 05:22 PM
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At the recent commencement agenda at my university the president told everyone to move their tassels to the left side of their heads. After this was done he stated that he expressed the hope that "their politics have moved there as well" If that's not an agenda, I don't know what is.

I remember now why I haven't been on ATS in a while, far to many hypocrites and reckless seekers of change. If you build to fast it will all come crashing down...



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
No koka I was saying that those who are against the war believe they are more enlightened and sensitive not that they are.
Liberals in my experience love to brag about how much more enlightened and evolved they are than conservatives. The common (mis)conception being that conservatives are heartless, greedy, oppresssing, bigoted, neanderthals. In fact nothing could be further from the truth.The reason I don't support welfare is because I DO believe in my fellow man, I believe in teaching a man to fish rather than giving him a fish. I don't support Affirmative action because I beleve that everyone regardless of color has the abillty to succeed WITHOUT preferential treatment. I believe in smaller government because I believe that the citizens of America are quite capable of leading productive society enriching lives without the government interferring in every aspect of thier lives. I believe in the small business owners in America and those who work hard for an honest days pay. I also however recognise that not everyone has honest intentions and that there are people in the world who would like nothing more that to see every American ctizen dead or tortured, which I why I support heavy military and intellgence spending. I also believe that the war on terror is better fought halfway around the world than on main street which is why I support the war on Iraq. It all comes down to a matter of perspective.


I never had much of a problem with Conservatives with regards to the views your expressing above. I respect those views to great extent.

The main problem now is that the moral right has hijacked the Republican party and constantly tries to blur the lines between church and state, tells people how they should live and discriminates based on their view of how humans should live.

Ralph Reed destroyed the core of the Republican party and forced moderate Conservatives into the background, that is where I think a lot of Liberals feel they are more enlightened in their thinking. Bush is a moral moron who can't stop using the Bible long enough to actually get anything done.

And he makes a better Democrat than Republican anyways, large deficits and record growth in government all under his watch. Your views are sound but your missing the reason for all the hatred, to many, the religious right is just as dangerous as Muslim extremeism. If we ever wanted a religious war Bush is the very man to start one.



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by RANT
Anyway, yes college tends to make people more liberal. Darn education, multiperspective, mind opening experience.


Hey, that's a generalization; you're also labeling anyone who decides that the conservative philosophy is the best one is uneducated, has no perspective, and a closed mind...



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by ThunderCloud

Originally posted by RANT
Anyway, yes college tends to make people more liberal. Darn education, multiperspective, mind opening experience.


Hey, that's a generalization; you're also labeling anyone who decides that the conservative philosophy is the best one is uneducated, has no perspective, and a closed mind...


I was being a touch sarcastic.
I actually think higher education (beyond 4) and specialization tends to at least attract (if not make) people more conservative, but it's been a while since a saw a good non partisan poll on it.

But it used to be no college trended conservative, 1 to 4 years college trended liberal, and the grad degrees skewed WAY conservative (lot's of MBA's in there).



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 11:07 PM
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Alot of it has to do with what your major is....I mean, look at me...I got my BA in Anthropology - My professors could write endless journal articles on conservatives and their role in society...but it would have been after they smoked a few joints and had sex with the TA....
...just kidding there - but anthro is mostly liberal-minded people....

Get used to having to explain your opinions in college....sometimes a prof will make a snide comment just to get you to rebuke them - it doesn't mean they always believe it....and I've met my fair share of profs who should have become comedians....they'd bust out joke after joke in class and people would actually take them seriously and start getting attitudes with them in class...not a good idea - lol

Just know that b/c your prof is liberal doesn't mean they expect you to be - During my four years I can count maybe 2 that I had that were just plain idiots....the rest may have had smart mouths or may have been less serious about having a good time and more serious about teaching, but they still respected the opinons of their students...sometimes you just have to give them a couple of weeks to let them settle in - they'll get to know you and your opinions and then you'll start to have fun and develop positive relationships with your teachers that you'll want to have over and over again


[edit on 9/2/2004 by EnronOutrunHomerun]



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 11:19 PM
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I do not have a major that is oriented in the Literature or Arts type of stuff, but it was just required literature and arts classes that I encountred. I am done with those classes, but the attitude on campus is generally liberal. I refuse to be a follower and jump on the bandwagon. I am my own man.



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 11:29 PM
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A few random thoughts:

College is supposed to be a place for the free exchange of ideas -- both conservative, liberal, and none of the above. As long as the professor doesn't actually cheat on your grade because he/she doesn't agree with your philosophy, you shouldn't hold it against the professor for thinking the way he/she does. They know that if you're smart, you'll take their opinion with a grain of salt and verify it (or debunk it) for yourself. My only problem in college was the extreme liberals and extreme conservatives, who both, ironically, have one amazing idea in common: "If you don't think like us, you don't deserve to think at all."


Whether or not you choose to be a conservative or liberal has nothing to do with your intelligence. One of the smartest people I've ever known was a high school dropout; and one of the stupidest people I've ever known was a college professor.

Also, living in a small town does not equate to a lack of education. In fact, quite the opposite is true -- the nation's largest cities are where the vast majority of high school dropouts live. (That's why we have an "inner city" problem, and not an "inner country" problem.
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I think the truth of the matter is, the best society is a combination of conservative and liberal philosophies. Some conservative ideas (like small, limited government, and an upwardly mobile society) are good, and some liberal ideas (like helping those in need, and equal opportunity for all -- no nobility, for example) are good. Most of the arguments between those that aren't extremists on either side are really about where to draw the lines, no whether or not there's a line at all.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by TACHYON
I do not have a major that is oriented in the Literature or Arts type of stuff, but it was just required literature and arts classes that I encountred. I am done with those classes, but the attitude on campus is generally liberal. I refuse to be a follower and jump on the bandwagon. I am my own man.


Good luck in standing as an independent. You're sure to win many votes with your policies on having the best car and radio.

As for being a capitalist, well, apparently you've "experienced alot of things", so why ask such a question when you're already ignoring the answer?

Tell me, would you have mentioned this had the majority at your place of education been Republican?



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by Koka

Originally posted by TACHYON
I do not have a major that is oriented in the Literature or Arts type of stuff, but it was just required literature and arts classes that I encountred. I am done with those classes, but the attitude on campus is generally liberal. I refuse to be a follower and jump on the bandwagon. I am my own man.


Good luck in standing as an independent. You're sure to win many votes with your policies on having the best car and radio.

As for being a capitalist, well, apparently you've "experienced alot of things", so why ask such a question when you're already ignoring the answer?

Tell me, would you have mentioned this had the majority at your place of education been Republican?



I am a republican, sorry if you misinterpteted that as being independent. LOL



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