I have been deceived by OWS. But now I know the truth., page 6

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reply posted on 2-11-2011 @ 09:00 PM by deadeyedick

reply to post by Afterthought

May be you should not watch the south park episode coming up.
I bet they cross a few lines again.

reply posted on 2-11-2011 @ 09:57 PM by NoAngel2u

Originally posted by TDawgRex

Originally posted by yaluk
reply to post by TDawgRex

I thougth OWS was about wallstreet owning politicians and all of their lobbyist

Or is this a thread that is supposed to hide that and make it sounds like they are a bunch of tools.. all of them not jsut a few..?

I don't think all the OWS folk are tools, just misguided, or better yet, maybe misdirected.

The Targets should be more widespread than just Wall Street. They need to Occupy Congress and their State reps as well.

There are three targets that need to be addressed/protested and they are only concentrating on one. All the while another target is actively corrupting them. The three targets should be Wall Street, Congress and the White House. They are the ones who have a symbio-parasitic relationship that is bleeding us all dry.

It makes no sense to me. When I tried to point that out I was asked...politely, to leave. When I politely said I wanted to be heard, I was surrounded by some surly looking guys. So I left.

That was my last straw.

That will happen.
It's still developing.
They are still in protesting 101, or perhaps102. lol

By and large, I think those wanting to join the protest are doing so locally because it's simply to expensive to travel, and some of them have jobs and families they cannot leave for extended periods of time, so they are protesting where they are. Makes sense to me, and they should be allowed to occupy peacefully in their respective locations. Even trying to get to a state capital can be an unaffordable expense for some.

reply posted on 2-11-2011 @ 10:09 PM by TDawgRex

reply to post by NoAngel2u

Thanks for reading through all the pages.

Every cities OWS movement is different, some large, some small. Oakland and New York seem to be getting the lions share of attention, along with Boston and Atlanta.

I still agree with them that the American people are getting screwed over, but here in Cleveland, the unions are taking over.

At first I did not see a lot of union support, but it did grow over time and I believe that they have compromised OWS Cleveland. Just like the Tea Party was compromised. I think I am seeing such compromising going on across the nation as well.

I fear it will not end well in the long run. Unions don’t play nice these days and have become the monsters they once fought.

Communists, the Nazi Party, etc, will be rejected by the OWS crowd for the most part. But the unions have some smooth salesmen. I can see, and believe that I am seeing now, especially in Oakland a union voice…not OWS.

reply posted on 2-11-2011 @ 11:13 PM by JiggyPotamus

You started a new thread, so the least you could do is provide some examples of what you claim "is going on."
First you compliment them, listing only the good things, and then you turn around and say that they lied, but the only claim you make is that they "are spoiled, and they want, want, want."

In my mind you provided more reasons FOR the protesters than against them. A thread like this isn't going to change anyone's mind, simply because it doesn't have much of an argument to it. I understand that it is just a rant, but as I said, examples of behavior, et cetera, would have been more beneficial.

I am willing to change my opinion based on evidence, but I doubt I ever will if those who oppose the protest don't get their facts straight. How can they argue a position when they don't understand what the whole movement is about.

I am sick of reading threads that talk about these people, saying they are all entitlement losers, when that is blatantly false. This protest is about the government's decision making process, and has to do with the corporate-government relationship, for the most part.

Anything else anyone else says will be in the minority. That is why I wonder what type of agenda you people have when you sit there and bash OWS, many times not even making a coherent argument, when these people are trying to do something to change the system.

Are you actually scared that they are going to turn America into something worse than it already is? How could that possibly happen when those who rule now will never change the system to begin with? What reason is there to be afraid one bit?

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 04:04 AM by bacci0909

Yeah, I've been having major concerns with the views of the majority of OWSers.

Having said that.. My wife and I walked around Occupy Los Angeles late last night, just reading the signs and everything, and I was pretty impressed with the amount of signs that were anti-globalism, anti-Rothschild, anti-New World Order, and anti-Obama. I'd say I agreed with about half the signs I saw.. and I'm a strict free-market capitalist, anti-Fed, Ron Paul supporter. Oh, that was also a let down.. not a single Ron Paul sign

Try to remain positive about it.. obviously they want to assign the movement to the left, as they did the Tea Party to the right. Divide and conquer blah blah and all that. It'd be great if we didn't allow that to happen, though it's quickly slipping away

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 05:08 AM by KryptKeeper

Originally posted by TDawgRex
I was skeptical at first concerning the OWS movement, but then I started to go to the rallies. I saw people of all stripes there and most made sense with their concerns as to the problems this country faced. I thought to myself that these are normal people who want to change things for the better, like the original Tea Party.

They sold me a tainted bill of goods.

In the space of less than two months I have seen these people for who they really are. Spoiled entitlement mentality children who want, want, want, but refuse to work for anything. I have seen and heard this with my own two eyes and ears. I finally left disgusted.

The people who now support them I have for the most part always opposed.

I will have no part of this movement and will in fact actively oppose them.

Flame away.

Amen my thoughts almost to a T

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 05:19 AM by theovermensch

reply to post by Afterthought

OWS proves that Stewart and Colbert are whores.All of these do-gooder do-nothing left wing whores are the problem.They like to talk and talk as long as nobody does anything to fix stuff.I loved seeing Stewart on Fox trying to tell them they are biased.Chris Wallace tore him a new a##hole and exposed him for the hypocrite that he is. Not that I am a Fox fan.Im just saying I agree,the media,left and right are PR for the establishment.F##k em all.

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 06:00 AM by TDawgRex

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
This protest is about the government's decision making process, and has to do with the corporate-government relationship, for the most part.

The OWS crowd when I first started go to them were a very diverse bunch. Representative of the entire spectrum of the population. Now it is mostly, college kids who want their debt forgiven and a lot of union folk. Two months in, and there is still no cohesive message.

When I tried to bring up your quote above as that is my biggest beef, I was "blocked". I must admit I was slightly amused by all the hand gestures, but now they kind of creep me out. When I asked again, I was politely asked to leave by three "security" guys.

When OWS targets both corporate and government entites at the same time I may support them again. But I don't think the unions will allow that.

I have said that OWS movement are different in every city. But you gotta admit that the OWS like in Oakland also shed a bad light on it. Another riot, and this time the city approved it by giving all city workers a paid day off. Oh, with the exception of the police. Now that sounds like there is an agenda there to me.

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 06:47 AM by SG-17

We (Generation X & Y) have been constantly told growing up by older people that we need to go to college so we don't have to flip burgers. Now that we've gone to college, gotten degrees, and still can't get jobs, the same people call us entitled children because we won't flip burgers.

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 07:51 AM by The Old American

Originally posted by ladykenzie
I blame it on careful orchestrating by TPTB that we feel everything has to be "us vs. them."

Oh, labor unions are opposed to banks stealing from me?
Oh, a nazi group is opposed to banks stealing from me?
Oh, socialists are opposed to banks stealing from me?

Banks didn't steal from us. They received stolen goods from their fence: the U.S. government.

/TOA

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 08:17 AM by User8911

I can't stand this OWS hate anymore. They are at least trying something instead of just doing nothing.
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I also can't stand stupid right winger comment like Neo does which always blame the population for the problems TPTB did. Your little life seems to be going great, why bash on others people which lives are not so perfect.

Selfish, individual minded and greedy.
Once you understand that right wing extremist based their ideas on those 3 traits, it's predictable to see their answers.

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reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 09:01 AM by Freenrgy2

Originally posted by mr10k
Trust me, before the Occupy protests, at least 70% of all Americans felt the only thing wrong with america were the prices of taxes and when the troops were going to come home.

And trust me, before the OWS protests, 100% of Ron Paul supporters knew everything that the OWS supporters espouse and then some.

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 09:44 AM by Turkenstein

Originally posted by TDawgRex
I was skeptical at first concerning the OWS movement, but then I started to go to the rallies. I saw people of all stripes there and most made sense with their concerns as to the problems this country faced. I thought to myself that these are normal people who want to change things for the better, like the original Tea Party.

They sold me a tainted bill of goods.

In the space of less than two months I have seen these people for who they really are. Spoiled entitlement mentality children who want, want, want, but refuse to work for anything. I have seen and heard this with my own two eyes and ears. I finally left disgusted.

The people who now support them I have for the most part always opposed.

I will have no part of this movement and will in fact actively oppose them.

Flame away.

The Ultimate Warrior, of all people, said it best. They are a bunch of hypocrytes. They are supporting the very thing they oppose with all their cell phones and i pods bought from coorperations they are opposing.

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 10:00 AM by Epirus

Originally posted by neo96
Stolen my butt the middle class gets over 3 trillion in tax cuts Social Secuirty,Medicare,Medicaid, Free housing,Free education get to stay on mommy and daddy's insurance until 26 and those unfunded liabilites are up to over 100 trillion than can never be paid for and there they are screaming for more.

I'm on the fence about the whole occupy movement but only because I don't know enough about it yet. Ignorant comments like this are part of the problem and not helping anything. There is a real issue behind all of this and to pretend it's just a bunch of envious lazy people is childish.

Free housing, really? I don't know what middle class your talking about. I'm pretty sure you have to be over 65 to receive medicare. Middle class people aren't usually eligible for things like medicaid. I'm pretty sure it's not just the middle class people who can stay on mah and pah's insurance until their 26, that is if their mah and pah even have insurance. Free education K-12? You don't need to be in the middle class to get that, everyone can get a "free" education. Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace.

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 10:03 AM by Epirus

Originally posted by Turkenstein

Originally posted by TDawgRex
I was skeptical at first concerning the OWS movement, but then I started to go to the rallies. I saw people of all stripes there and most made sense with their concerns as to the problems this country faced. I thought to myself that these are normal people who want to change things for the better, like the original Tea Party.

They sold me a tainted bill of goods.

In the space of less than two months I have seen these people for who they really are. Spoiled entitlement mentality children who want, want, want, but refuse to work for anything. I have seen and heard this with my own two eyes and ears. I finally left disgusted.

The people who now support them I have for the most part always opposed.

I will have no part of this movement and will in fact actively oppose them.

Flame away.

The Ultimate Warrior, of all people, said it best. They are a bunch of hypocrytes. They are supporting the very thing they oppose with all their cell phones and i pods bought from coorperations they are opposing.

Haha don't be silly. They don't oppose technology or modern communication.

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 12:08 PM by darkl0rd

Source

And protesters staffing the camp's kitchen -- which Occupy Wall Street says feeds up to a 1,000 people daily -- have downsized their menu to deter the homeless and freeloaders who have been taking advantage of the hospitality.
The change of fare from the kitchen did not go down well with some patrons."Where's the meat at? They ain't got no meat!" screamed one man who stomped around the park's perimeter looking for the sausage patty he said he needed to start his day. He was forced to content himself with a chocolate chip muffin.

So, when it comes to sharing, the protesters too dont like to do it as they claim to make the richs share their wealth with them. That is a clear evidnce of GREED! Bankers did not force them to take their 100k loans. Now they all want those debts to be withdrawn? Those who doesnt know what sharing means, do not deserve any mercy. I want to see those free money (aka credit) lurkers to be tazed or beaten down by the cops. Their own greed for free money caused those problems - now they walk on the streets to repay their debts by their blood.

When those protestors dont give a sh*t about the homeless', why should the rich give any damn about those who protest for wealth sharing!? Those on OWS and alike just make me sick. They dont deserve any humain attention.

reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 03:37 PM by DerepentLEstranger

reply to post by TDawgRex

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how sad and disappointing
especially from the tea partiers
oh well, guess compared to OWS, the tea party hasn't really accomplished much

Why Occupy? Why Tea Party? Why Protest? Simple; The US economy is broken. Incomes are less than they were 35 years ago. Everything costs more. We've had 17% unemployment (traditional measure) for 2 years and we're about to lose many more jobs.. Our collective debt is 370% of our GDP (from all sources, from consumer to gov't). Our financial system has a) enabled the transfer of our manufacturing jobs to a mercantilist (managed trade) China and b) stolen the rest of our wealth (and is in the process of gambling what's left of it away). Finally, given the ongoing instability of our economic system, we don't have long before the entire thing fails and with it our collective future (rich or poor). The question really is: why aren't you protesting? why isn't everyone protesting?

This chart (below) shows why the Tea Party is different than the Occupy movement

source:
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How to Create an Occupy Tribe: globalguerrillas.typepad.com...

There's no question that the Occupy groups have done a great job with constructing the outlines of resilient communities in the heart of many of our most dense urban areas.

People pitch in to do work. They are considerate despite the difficulty of the arrangement. Food gets served. The area gets cleaned. There is entertainment. There's innovation (equipment, tech, workarounds). There is education (lots of seminars being taught). There is open, participatory governance. All of this is great and this experience will definitely pay off over the next decade as the global economy deteriorates, panics, fails. It will make building resilient communities easier (there are lots of ways to build a resilient community, we're trying to document all of the ways how on MiiU).
However, is this experience building a tribal identity? An Occupy tribe? Something that can eventually (there's lots to do in the short to medium term) go beyond protest and build something new? One even strong enough to create new resilient economic and social networks that step into the breach as the current one fails?

direct link to MiiU ("me:you")
The Resilient Community Wiki: www.miiu.org...

Welcome to MiiU ("me:you")
The Resilient Community Wiki

A resilient community is a place that produces most of what it needs locally. It connects virtually for everything else. It's a vibrant local economy as well as a community that is immune to a) global depression, b) political instability, c) shortages, famines, etc., and d) most effects of natural disasters. In short, it's resilient.

MiiU is a collection of all the resources and places that make personal, family, and community resilience possible. Resilience isn't only about surviving global failures, it's about building a better life for you and everyone around you.

if prople were to educate themselves and organize we could completely drop out of the current system with no violence on our part

self-defense against the parasites in control of the system attempting to drag the escaped slaves back to the plantation, of course does not constitute violence

reply posted on 4-11-2011 @ 02:33 AM by lldd182

reply to post by TDawgRex

Who paid you to say that? CIA? FBI? You most certainly have not been to OWS.

reply posted on 4-11-2011 @ 02:46 AM by MrUncreated

I thought this video was what OWS was about.

www.youtube.com...

Or is that what Ron Paul is about. I can't even keep up with it anymore.

reply posted on 4-11-2011 @ 04:14 AM by TDawgRex

Originally posted by lldd182
reply to post by TDawgRex

Who paid you to say that? CIA? FBI? You most certainly have not been to OWS.

I could only wish to be on their payroll.

I'd be livin' a whole lot better than I currently am.

And just how do you know that I haven't been to OWS here in Ohio?

Are you working for FBI or DHS?