America�s Greatest Terrorist ��..Israel

I'll give you more than one

That list actualy only counts for the period between 1955 and 1992 :p

Originally posted by 1amc

Betrayal behind Israeli attack on U.S. ship
By ADM. THOMAS MOORER

www.thememoryhole.org...

I am aware of that incident, and thats why i specifically said that they never attacked us in war. Isreal has never gone to war with the united states, and in all likelyhood never will, whereas others states have gone to war with the US, are currently at war with us, and will go to war with the US.

By any way you look at it, Isreal is not much of a threat at all to the US.

What it is, is something of a liability, insofar as the US will aide it when its attacked, and its something of a target high on some people's hit list. Outside of that, its simply not a threat.

Originally posted by Nygdan
I am aware of that incident, and thats why i specifically said that they never attacked us in war. Isreal has never gone to war with the united states, and in all likelyhood never will, whereas others states have gone to war with the US, are currently at war with us, and will go to war with the US.

By any way you look at it, Isreal is not much of a threat at all to the US.

What it is, is something of a liability, insofar as the US will aide it when its attacked, and its something of a target high on some people's hit list. Outside of that, its simply not a threat.

Could I ask you something?

What do you fear most?
A mosquito that buzes around your head and gives you a litle sting when you goto sleep?

Or one of those worms that slowly grows inside your veins and when it is present in nearly all of your blood system bursts somewhere out of your body ? Like this www.biosci.ohio-state.edu...

Iraq is to the US what the mosquito is, Israel is the tiny larve that has been growing inside the belly of the US for a long time now, ready to suffocate its host and exit it in an ugly way.

So a country that has never attacked the US in war, and one that almost never butts heads with the US on international matters, and one that is in constant danger of being attacked by its neighbhors is the greatest enemy of the US? Not, say, the nations that are openly opposed ot the US, or the ones that are run by diametrically opposed ideologies and are armed to the teeth? And not a country that fought a war with the US and to this day has never signed a peace treaty, has a million man army, and posesses nuclear weapons? They're not more of a threat than peaceful, weak, un important israel?

You don't seem to understand anything that goes on. The problem is not inside the state of Israel. It is inside US. All the important positions in media, politics, manufacture, biotechnology, banking, real estate, etc are being held by zionist Jews. These people have an agenta: to rule the world.

I especially mentioned media, because it is the main vehicle for them. The constant feeding of sex and crime through television and movies demoralizes society. I bet no one has really noticed the patterns that emerge through jewish supported movies. One of them is the black hero that almost always dies; another one is that of homosexuality being normal.

Al Patsino made a movie that showed what goes on behind closed doors in the VIP society: rapes, drugs, murders, pedophilia...I don't remember the movie's name, but it was shown for 3 days in the US, then suddently removed from the box office.

If all of you that deny certain facts want it to be that way, then so be it. Close your eyes and dream well. In the meantime, let those that understand speak...you might hear something.

Originally posted by koji_KHowever, I do believe that special interest groups

Thank god, the possibility of moderately rational discussion.

have very strong zionist agendas

But all that means is that the strongly support the existence of israel no?

it is a fair question to ask if all of them nessecarily have America's best interests at heart when they perform their duties

It definitely is. However, sometimes the interest of justice might conflict or override the interests of any one particular nation. I think that this is one of those situations. There had long been talk of creating a jewish ethnic state, I would assume even before the famous Balfour declaration. But WWII really clinched the deal. The jews, as a people, religion, ethnicity, really did need their own representative on the global scene. Imagine if Isreal had been around when hitler was comming to power? And that sort of thing is certainly bound to happen again, humanity hasn't changed any in, what, a little more than sixty years?

Also, Israel is a modern, liberal, democratic state, one of very few in that region. Arabs in israel have more freedoms that arabs in arab ethnic states. So on that line alone, the state of israel can be supported (of course, thats outside the domain of Zionism anyway).

What can't be supported is how non-orthodox jews are something close to second class citizens. Not just arabs, which, unfortunately, is not surprising, but even, from what I understand, christians and even other jews. The samaritans, for example, still exist in isreal. Arguabley, they are more israeli than the emigres who moved there after the war, since they never left. Historically they have been looked down upon by other jews (hence the irony in the good samaritan story). And yet, when a samaritan actress wanted to marry an orthodox man, she had to convert to the orthodoxy in order for the marriage to be recognized.

So, to say the least, it should be a jewish state, not an orthodoxical state.

Originally posted by masterp
You don't seem to understand anything that goes on.

Ok, explain it to me then

The problem is not inside the state of Israel. It is inside US. All the important positions in media, politics, manufacture, biotechnology, banking, real estate, etc are being held by zionist Jews. These people have an agenta: to rule the world.

Uhm, no. While there are lots of jews in lots of different positions in lots of different industries, this hardly indicates a threat. And to suggest that all jews are also zionists is absurd, and indicates that you aren't very familiar with an appreciable number of jews. Zionism is also not global domination. Its the creation and maintenance of a jewish ethnic state. The jewish religion doesn't even seem to have anythign suggest global domination (outside of some considering themselves 'the chosen ones' of their god, which is hardly an unusual thing). If anything, christians, with their 'Kingdom of God' and "Christ the King' rhetoric, are a more rational candidate for a global domination conspiracy. Look at it. Almost everyone in the US government is a christian. The people that founded the nation, some of them were christians too. A majority of judges, police officers, and army officers in the US are christians, who have as part of their one holy book a section that talks about a military plan to destroy all non-christians.

sex and crime through television and movies demoralizes society.

But I like sex and crime.

don't remember the movie's name, but it was shown for 3 days in the US, then suddently removed from the box office.

Maybe because it sucked and was garbage? Who's al patsino anyways? A christian? See, more of the conspiracy.

If all of you that deny certain facts

It is not a fact that most people 'controlling' the media are jews who want to conquer the world. Its not a fact that there are subliminal patterns in 'jewish supported' movies. None of what you've been talking about have been facts.

In the meantime, let those that understand speak

No one is interfereing with your spreading of viscous unfounded lies. The only thing some people are trying to interfere with is the reoccurance of pogroms and genocide, which is exactly whats down the line you are taking.

Originally posted by masterp
are being held by zionist Jews.

let me remind you that there are also christian zionists. for example, Rumsfeld, Clinton, Bush, Perle, Kerry, etc.

Support for the Zionist state in both the White House and the Congress is so fervent that Israel hardly needs bureaucrats such as Franklin to track the inner workings of the US government. Whether the president is a Democrat or a Republican, American policy is so tightly in the grip of politicians and government officials who are ardently dedicated to Israel and its interests that the Franklin case will make no difference.

This is part of the problem......we do not need Israel or Israeli groups so intwined in our affairs.

www.rense.com...

Respects,

More of the cover up.

Mr. McNulty was only assigned the case by Attorney General Ashcroft last Friday when federal agents came to Aipac�s offices in Washington to request files and hard drives. �Ashcroft wanted to make sure this case was being handled properly,� the source familiar with the probe said. �I would not expect any action on this for at least three weeks.� This source added that a grand jury is now being selected, but it was likely the charges,initially reported as espionage, would be scaled back to the mishandling of classified information.

daily.nysun.com...:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/09/02&ID=Ar01300

Respects,

Originally posted by Nygdan

Also, Israel is a modern, liberal, democratic state, one of very few in that region. Arabs in israel have more freedoms that arabs in arab ethnic states. So on that line alone, the state of israel can be supported (of course, thats outside the domain of Zionism anyway).

What can't be supported is how non-orthodox jews are something close to second class citizens. Not just arabs, which, unfortunately, is not surprising, but even, from what I understand, christians and even other jews. The samaritans, for example, still exist in isreal. Arguabley, they are more israeli than the emigres who moved there after the war, since they never left. Historically they have been looked down upon by other jews (hence the irony in the good samaritan story). And yet, when a samaritan actress wanted to marry an orthodox man, she had to convert to the orthodoxy in order for the marriage to be recognized.

So, to say the least, it should be a jewish state, not an orthodoxical state.

I certainly believe in Israel's right to exist. It is a democracy (although a fundamentalist state of sorts at the same time), and the region needs as many as it can get. More importantly though, the simple fact is that Israel as a state exists today and is here to stay, regardless of whether or not it was founded under less-than-desirable circumstances. Its people, like people everywhere, have the right to live in security.

I have heard worrying stories about how much control the orthodox rabbis have there, however, and it would be nice to see it become a little more secular. (I remember during the millenium celebrations, the orthodox rabbis with the power to do so threatened to close down any hotel or bar taking part in the celebrations, because it happened to fall on the sabbath! This is really not the direction Israel should be taking, or, if it is, then it is not the direction an ally of the US should be taking.)

Further, I think that the current political situation in Israel is not conducive to peace. Certainly there is enough blame to go round on all sides, but speaking as an American, I think Israel should be less hasty to retaliate and do more to further the peace process. The palestinians have a right to exist in their homeland just as Israelis have a right to live in a state they have essentially created and developed and shed blood over. Above all, I think that Ariel Sharon is not the man Israel needs in these times.

-koji K.

Our relationships with Israel and certain Israeli groups needs to change Now.

The investigation of Franklin is coincidental to the broader FBI counterintelligence probe, which was already long underway when Franklin came to the attention of investigators, U.S. officials and sources said. Franklin, a career analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency who specializes in Iran, is suspected of passing the proposed directive on Iran to AIPAC, officials said, which may have forwarded it to Israel. According to friends and colleagues, Franklin spent time in Israel, including during duty in the U.S. Air Force Reserve, in which he served as a specialist in foreign political-military affairs. Franklin now works for Douglas J. Feith, undersecretary of defense for policy.

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Respects,

They're not more of a threat than peaceful, weak, un important israel?

peacful??
weak???
un important?? ok ya they are not important i agree with you on that.

If you replace 'Isreal' and 'Zionist' with the word 'religion,' you may have a point!

Originally posted by persian
peacful??

They are constantly attacked by their neighbors and haven't started -any- major wars. The most they do is strike terrorist offices in leb. and syria and invade refugee camps in plo terriroty.

weak???

I suppose there is more than enough room for debate on this, but they don't seem to be anything more than a regional power to me, and even then i think its largely based on US support.

un important?? ok ya they are not important i agree with you on that.

Well, by that i mean that the state isn't geo-strategically important. They could have some use, but, as it is, the US can't even use it as a regional 'beach head' or for fly overs. In the iraq war, the us had to fly over turkey and ship troops overland, rather than conoiter in Israel and launch part of the invasion thru there (well, I suppose thats also because jordan is inbtween the two also.) But yeah, even generally, Israel is a pretty meaningless unimportant country. It doesn't produce anything major, its not a bastion of global science, in fact, it doesn't do much of anything other than get attacked.

Israel doesnt produce anything?

their biggest export is technology!!!

who do u think supplies the US military with communications equipment?
who do u think supplies the US with subsidized government telecommunications companies that provide billing and directory assistance for US phone companies?
who do u think developed cell phone technology?
who do u think supplies China with Air to Air missiles?

these questions go on and on...

America in no way should be under Israeli authority
Bush should listen to his own consience not to Sharon's opinion

I wish I could print out the protocols of the Elders of Zion that might enlighten a few of you Israel does control the area of Americanforeign policies we as americans are merely puppets simply ask yourself who benefited from the last three or four wars we where engaged in so who controls the Defense dept. Military services ,american intrest have been ill served in the last 20 years and tax-payers burdened with paying for increased military deployments worldwide.

This post has some good basics.

Some of you know more about the Middle East than I do, but most Americans know almost nothing about it. This attack on the World Trade Center came about because of incredible levels of anger between Arabs and Jews, and the USA is in the middle of this fight.

www.wtc7.net...

Respects,

It's not a conspiracy. It's reality.

That's why the Al-Qaeda has targeted us, and they will not stop unti lour economy is too weak to sustain our war efforts.

Originally posted by cstyle226
they will not stop unti lour economy is too weak to sustain our war efforts.

silly statement

[edit on 3-9-2004 by Ashlar]