Originally posted by eyesdown
This is one of those moments someone pipes in with "everything in moderation" and I'd like to be that person, but if that were the case I wouldn't spend every sunday feeling like death, waiting for the world to swallow me up.

That was funny, thank you. I have spent many a sunday feeling like death also, thats my point though is it is a poison , a lethal one at that and it is allowed, I just dont get it

Originally posted by tooo many pills
People need something at the end of the day to relax them for the next identical day in their lives.

Think about it, most people's lives really suck.

They have to weave through heavy traffic every day just to get to a crappy job and bust their rear for table scraps.

And now we have the totalitarians wanting to take away the only thing that makes these folks' lives even half-decent.

It's a complete tragedy.

Originally posted by AllUrChips

Originally posted by eyesdown
This is one of those moments someone pipes in with "everything in moderation" and I'd like to be that person, but if that were the case I wouldn't spend every sunday feeling like death, waiting for the world to swallow me up.

That was funny, thank you. I have spent many a sunday feeling like death also, thats my point though is it is a poison , a lethal one at that and it is allowed, I just dont get it

Ok so you admit you have drank before?

But you now think it's best to create a system where people go to jail for doing exactly what you did?

You claim to be 35 but it sounds like you are 200. Have you really forgotten what it was like to be a self-determining human capable of making your own mistakes and learning from them?

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Originally posted by AllUrChips
Ok, I am going to try and discuss this subject again as I am VERY passionate about this subject. PLEASE NO ILLICIT DRUG TALK!!!!! I do not want them to take down the thread. So basically, I have a theory as to why this toxic poison is legal? Now please, save your immature defenses of alcohol I understand that its fun and all and alot of people can handle themselves, however, its very deadly and has horribly destructive consequences on every level of society. From the homeless man on the corner, to the high level exec who kills someone in an auto accident, to the middle class man that beats his wife and kids all because of this legal TAXABLE poison. My theory is that it is legal because it helps keep people just drinkin the stress away, and raises unimagineable amounts of revenue. Most crimes happen because of alcohol. It keeps cops employed and cities make money off of the court costs and especially in the DUI department. But at what cost? All the lives lost, families broken, abused children and spouses. If not for money, it would not be legal. Anyhow, Ill take my lashings now
PS the title comes from the very wise Homer J. Simpson-

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you are very naive if you think banning alcohol will solve anything. I will agree that it definately can facilitate issues that are already inherent in unstable people...but to once again ruin it for everyone because there are those out there who become a "problem" while under its influence is simply bad policy. It always has been and it always will be bad policy for the few to ruin it for the many or even the many to ruin it for the few.

I am sorry lives are ruined for some/many under alcohol, however this should have no bearing on how I am able to conduct my own life....period.

It would be much worse if it was banned though. First off, people wouldn't stop drinking because of the law. It would be sold and protected at a higher value, and smuggled with force by use of cartels, causing more crimes on top of the ill's of drinking, not to mention, no FDA/ATF regulated alcohol, so now you have people possibly getting sick and literally poisoned to death because of halfassed suppliers.

Alcohol isn't the problem, it's our reckless desire to feel good that is. There ins't a universal solution, people just need to look after each other a little closer.

I don’t know about in the states, but I believe that Alcohol will not and cannot be 'banned' in most countries, why? A number of key points, but the main ones are its a Cash Cow for governments world over (along with Tobacco).

Is it a poison - Technically yes, Ethanol is a poison in higher concentrations. But so is caffeine (and thats legal) to give you one mainstream example.

Alcohol has a number of bad factors, usually because once certain people get under the excessive influence of it they become violent and start bashing people (usually unprovoked), or get behind the wheel and wind up killing others (and/or themselves).

List of commercial Poisons purchasable from your local supermarket, with the express use of ingestion:

* Coffee
* Chocolate (contains caffeine)
* Caffeine based drinks (Energy Drinks & Cola Based products)
* Natural Yoghurt (Ones that contain active cultures, remember these ARE bacteria, which if you do not consume with this in mind, it can result in infection. Unlikely but possible)
* Most chewing gum (contains a base chemical that can have a laxative, also reducing the bodies ability to process water.
* Headache Tablets
* Petrol (or Gas as you guys call it)

Hell I'm sure you can look into your fridge or food storage area and find a fair amount of your products contain potentially toxic chemicals.

The trick here is, if consumed with moderation and taken as directed it has no cumulative effects, like Alcohol (besides social issues).

So why stop at booze? Why not ban the following products:
* Caffeine based products (Chocolate based, Cola based etc)
* Tobacco (might not be a bad thing?)
* Over-the-counter pain killers
* Fuel based Cars (hey, it might breakdown and cause loss of life, also emits CO2)
* Plastics
* All Alcohol based products (Chocolates, Booze, Ethanol based fuels, cough medicine etc)

The list goes on and on, in the end we'd be put back into the stone age again because (in AU) power would become non-existent, travel would be by horse and cart (remember the production of rubber is bad for us too), there would be no machinery, pretty much back to the proverbial grass roots of being cave people.

I believe that with the right education perhaps people can consume alcohol in a responsible manner, just remove the "bad apples" with a zero tolerance behavioural law?

Food for thought.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
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Don't lash out at others for proving you wrong - it just makes you look bad

Prohibition of alcohol and the failed "War on Drugs" are two prime examples of why prohibition of substances is simply not a good idea

AWESOME. Just what we need MORE government regulation and more of them telling everyone what is good for them. Man this is why America is going down hill. Government Regulation, Gum Control, Sugar Nazi's, fuel efficiency Nazis, Clean Emission control freaks all of it stinks!

Some is necessary but this over regulation is killing us. Soon the internet will be regulated, its only a matter of time as that is the direction we are heading.

Okay this is my stance on alcohol. I don't think
it should be made illegal because I have read
about prohibition and I know it didn't work. However,
with that said I can truthfully tell you that half of
my life has been destroyed because of the
child abuse I received from an alcohol Mother.
The cheating and beatings I received from
my first husband who was alcoholic. I have
also seen it destroy other peoples lives. To sum
it up, it is your right if you want to drink but I don't
want these people in my life. I wish there was no
such think as alcohol but there is and I guess
we have to live with that.

For the past 5 years I have had no drinkers or
alcoholics in my life and this is the happiest
I have ever been.

I know there are those who just drink at home
and maintain their cool but stastistics show that
a large percentage of drinkers break the law
such as drunk driving and commit crimes such
as beating their spouses and children. Not
to mention what they are doing to their own
health. It doesn't solve problems - it creates
them.