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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by tangonine

I chose to leave the military after 13 years because there was no way I could finish the BS I chose to major in.... classes at 11 AM? I stepped out. Your implication that somehow I'm on the govt dole is disingenuous, uninformed and ignorant.


When did I implicate you being only being on the government dole? I was addressing your "house slave" retort.

Why the guilty conscious?

If you originally read my first post, I questioned your "day trading" in what you described as a "fixed" system. You continued to "day trade" for years, using your "A game" to make money in a fixed system. Despite knowing the system was fixed you continued to "trade" for years, but why? I hypothetically guess that you did this because you benefited from the "fixed" system. You remained complacent within a fixed system and benefited from it. You are now going to "protect" your perceived current state of comfort (which you earned, in a fixed system) by any means necessary.... That is where I critiqued your notion of liberty. Did you watch the video? Probably not...

Granted, I did comment on your "defense contract" income as you critiqued Government "entitlements." Both are bankrolled by our tax dollars. You may not support the ideology of your "Tax dollars" being used for the less then fortunate then yourself, but I do not support the ideology of my "tax dollars" being used to "defend" us (ie police the world while our own infrastructure is in decay). I would like to note, our income tax dollars only pay off interest on Federal Reserve loans, but that's for another thread and another day.

Please note, I am all about hard work. I grew up in a single parent home (my father was not there), and despite this thankfully my mother worked hard, and I in turn worked hard to receive not only a High School Diploma, but a college degree as a well (Bachelors). However, despite this, my generation is now waking up to a nightmare caused by those who were complacent to a broken system for generations. Those who benefited from a system they know was broken, are as much guilty as those who "fixed" the system to begin with.

In a way, we are all guilty.

If you were successful during said times, I can only say congratulations. You appear to be a very intelligent person and despite the odds, it's good to see that you made it with years of sacrifice and hard work (ie American Dream). My point is, today's generation, will not have the same opportunity as you, even with the same amount of sacrifice and hard work. Why is that okay? Can't you understand the anger then of those in the park? Of those in the tea party? Of the growing unemployed, homeless, sick?

Just imagine, how far you may have gotten within a non "fixed" system...


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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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I can categorically say that I never even thought the n-word until you brought it up.

I know for a fact, slavery is not relegated to a single skin color.

Hell, I am white, and I know I am a slave. But I am working on rectifying that.
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by squidboy

Originally posted by tangonine

I chose to leave the military after 13 years because there was no way I could finish the BS I chose to major in.... classes at 11 AM? I stepped out. Your implication that somehow I'm on the govt dole is disingenuous, uninformed and ignorant.


When did I implicate you being only being on the government dole? I was addressing your "house slave" retort.

Why the guilty conscious?

If you originally read my first post, I questioned your "day trading" in what you described as a "fixed" system. You continued to "day trade" for years, using your "A game" to make money in a fixed system. Despite knowing the system was fixed you continued to "trade" for years, but why? I hypothetically guess that you did this because you benefited from the "fixed" system. You remained complacent within a fixed system and benefited from it. You are now going to "protect" your perceived current state of comfort (which you earned, in a fixed system) by any means necessary.... That is where I critiqued your notion of liberty. Did you watch the video? Probably not...

Granted, I did comment on your "defense contract" income as you critiqued Government "entitlements." Both are bankrolled by our tax dollars. You may not support the ideology of your "Tax dollars" being used for the less then fortunate then yourself, but I do not support the ideology of my "tax dollars" being used to "defend" us (ie police the world while our own infrastructure is in decay). I would like to note, our income tax dollars only pay off interest on Federal Reserve loans, but that's for another thread and another day.

Please note, I am all about hard work. I grew up in a single parent home (my father was not there), and despite this thankfully my mother worked hard, and I in turn worked hard to receive not only a High School Diploma, but a college degree as a well (Bachelors). However, despite this, my generation is now waking up to a nightmare caused by those who were complacent to a broken system for generations. Those who benefited from a system they know was broken, are as much guilty as those who "fixed" the system to begin with.

In a way, we are all guilty.

If you were successful during said times, I can only say congratulations. You appear to be a very intelligent person and despite the odds, it's good to see that you made it with years of sacrifice and hard work (ie American Dream). My point is, today's generation, will not have the same opportunity as you, even with the same amount of sacrifice and hard work. Why is that okay? Can't you understand the anger then of those in the park? Of those in the tea party? Of the growing unemployed, homeless, sick?

Just imagine, how far you may have gotten within a non "fixed" system...


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I day traded it what I knew was essentially a "fixed" system because I viewed it as an intellectual challenge. I actually did OK,

I appreciate the nice stuff you said about me (lord knows there's not a lot of that around here.... but I'm sort of abrasive, I expect it).

I Understand their anger and believe it or not, I feel it too, but it's misdirected and it's dangerous. There's a lot of clingers-on that have attached themselves to this "movement' that have steered it waaaay to the left, and I'm someplace to the right of John Wayne. Within me, there's a trigger and a point where my eyes squinch and I reach for my .45. This is one of those moments.

I don't trust OWS, I think it's misdirected, and it's attracting the dregs of our society. This. Will. Not. End. Well.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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If you truly "understand" the protesters anger and their reasons. Instead of grouping them all together under another stereotyped blanket, why don't you help clear things up and work towards getting a message out there that everyone can understand, put those degrees to some good use. Quit ridiculing the whole movement just because of a few bad apples, once we can get a clear message put out there then the bad apples will be weeded out.


Do something if you agree with them and quit demonizing the ones that are actually trying make things happen for the good of all.

I do not think anyone here does not see the fact that certain other groups are trying to hijack it and turn it into something else, it is our job to get those groups out of the way.Others see this, but why can you not see it. Or is it easier to to just sit back and take jabs at people.

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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Skewed
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If you truly "understand" the protesters anger and their reasons. Instead of grouping them all together under another stereotyped blanket, why don't you help clear things up and work towards getting a message out there that everyone can understand, put those degrees to some good use. Quit ridiculing the whole movement just because of a few bad apples, once we can get a clear message put out there then the bad apples will be weeded out.


Do something if you agree with them and quit demonizing the ones that are actually trying make things happen for the good of all.

I do not think anyone here does not see the fact that certain other groups are trying to hijack it and turn it into something else, it is our job to get those groups out of the way.
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I do, it's called being a Tea Party member: smaller govt. return to the constitution However, I will not be seen with communists/code pink/socialists.

I want my country back. I want to live free of interference from the government. Pretty much it.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:38 PM
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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If one were to follow what the current stereotype is now regarding the Tea Party, that would mean you are racist and some of your posts certainly seem to back that up. But, I will remain on the fence for the time being.

You can want things all you want, but that does not get things done. If your only call to action is the voting booths, then you are going to be waiting a long time to get what you want. Hence my suggestion in getting out there and help with the message that needs to be sent.
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by tangonine

I Understand their anger and believe it or not, I feel it too, but it's misdirected and it's dangerous. There's a lot of clingers-on that have attached themselves to this "movement' that have steered it waaaay to the left, and I'm someplace to the right of John Wayne. Within me, there's a trigger and a point where my eyes squinch and I reach for my .45. This is one of those moments.

I don't trust OWS, I think it's misdirected, and it's attracting the dregs of our society. This. Will. Not. End. Well.


Ah, but see if you re-read my initial post you would see that I too have reservations about the Occupy movement. I've seen it first hand. I've been personally labeled a "troll" by Occupy members when questioning one member's Obama defense, while bringing up his "wall street" campaign contributions.

In fact, in the past two days, Occupy Wall Street's Facebook page clearly pushed a Left Agenda (claiming a recent Federal stoppage of arrests at one location as a "Leftist Win"), and my local Occupy (Occupy Providence, Rhode Island) also pushed a Leftist agenda of supporting "Immigrant Rights" (ie illegal immigrant rights).

A thinking man, would honestly see a political hijacking occurring when their social media sites are outright pushing a "Political" agenda. For a group that claims solidarity with no political underpinnings, their "words" are yelling otherwise. When the movement first started off, my interest was immediately killed off by their "live stream" chat moderation that would ban members who called for "ending of the fed" or "Ron Paul 2012." Their moderation would allow for discussion of "Obama is 99%" or "Nancy Pelosi is 99%" or "Jesse Jackson is 99%, when at the very same time saying that there were to be no political discussion or "isms" being discussed. The underpinnings and agenda were as clear as day.

You're right in that regard, however I feel that the real danger lies around the corner... You think people were mad when Obama's promises of change were broken? Or when the Tea part was hijacked by Neo-Cons? They will be equally as pissed when the 99 movement is herded into an "anti" tea party, and it's just another politically game of dividing and conquering.

These "protests in the park" days, will just be a found memory.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by Skewed
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If one were to follow what the current stereotype is now regarding the Tea Party, that would mean you are racist and some of your posts certainly seem to back that up. But, I will remain on the fence for the time being.

You can want things all you want, but that does not get things done. If your only call to action is the voting booths, then you are going to be waiting a long time to get what you want. Hence my suggestion in getting out there and help with the message that needs to be sent.
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If you want to categorize free will and individual liberty as "racist" then I guess that's your call.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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I suppose the same could be said for all the communists/code pink/socialists, according to your theories at least.

What is good for one is good for all, right?



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by squidboy

Originally posted by tangonine

I Understand their anger and believe it or not, I feel it too, but it's misdirected and it's dangerous. There's a lot of clingers-on that have attached themselves to this "movement' that have steered it waaaay to the left, and I'm someplace to the right of John Wayne. Within me, there's a trigger and a point where my eyes squinch and I reach for my .45. This is one of those moments.

I don't trust OWS, I think it's misdirected, and it's attracting the dregs of our society. This. Will. Not. End. Well.


Ah, but see if you re-read my initial post you would see that I too have reservations about the Occupy movement. I've seen it first hand. I've been personally labeled a "troll" by Occupy members when questioning one member's Obama defense, while bringing up his "wall street" campaign contributions.

In fact, in the past two days, Occupy Wall Street's Facebook page clearly pushed a Left Agenda (claiming a recent Federal stoppage of arrests at one location as a "Leftist Win"), and my local Occupy (Occupy Providence, Rhode Island) also pushed a Leftist agenda of supporting "Immigrant Rights" (ie illegal immigrant rights).

A thinking man, would honestly see a political hijacking occurring when their social media sites are outright pushing a "Political" agenda. For a group that claims solidarity with no political underpinnings, their "words" are yelling otherwise. When the movement first started off, my interest was immediately killed off by their "live stream" chat moderation that would ban members who called for "ending of the fed" or "Ron Paul 2012." Their moderation would allow for discussion of "Obama is 99%" or "Nancy Pelosi is 99%" or "Jesse Jackson is 99%, when at the very same time saying that there were to be no political discussion or "isms" being discussed. The underpinnings and agenda were as clear as day.

You're right in that regard, however I feel that the real danger lies around the corner... You think people were mad when Obama's promises of change were broken? Or when the Tea part was hijacked by Neo-Cons? They will be equally as pissed when the 99 movement is herded into an "anti" tea party, and it's just another politically game of dividing and conquering.

These "protests in the park" days, will just be a found memory.





You're on the spot The garden variety person doesn't/and wont/can't spend the time to understand the roots of OWS. It's not good.

What's troubling is that because of these idiots, there will be no fix to the system. They're too extreme and they don't understand the inherent problems. It's just useless flailing about.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Skewed
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I suppose the same could be said for all the communists/code pink/socialists, according to your theories at least.

What is good for one is good for all, right?


actually he first sane thing you've posted: "What is good for one is good for all".

In general: In the future, please quote the post to which you're replying so I can make sense of your nonsense.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by Skewed
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If one were to follow what the current stereotype is now regarding the Tea Party, that would mean you are racist and some of your posts certainly seem to back that up. But, I will remain on the fence for the time being.

You can want things all you want, but that does not get things done. If your only call to action is the voting booths, then you are going to be waiting a long time to get what you want. Hence my suggestion in getting out there and help with the message that needs to be sent.
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If you want to categorize free will and individual liberty as "racist" then I guess that's your call.


and please point out my racism. Hindus? Asians? Blacks? Irish? g'head tell me where I'm racist.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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*COUGH*


...any chance we can focus on the actual topic and not eachother...

...you know, post and not the poster, stay within the Terms and Conditions, all those chestnuts...


Thank you.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Then I guess you are just lucky....
They are not asking you for anything, so I don't understand why you would want to use any kind of force

Yet another person who just believes anything said in the media...why not go down to your local rally and see for yourself why people are doing this?
Instead of making ignorant rants and accusations, educate yourself.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Good for you and YAYYY for all of the wonderful choices you made. But you misunderstand everything. The protest isn't about destroying our gov't and the free market. They just want to fix it. They aren't out there asking for welfare or a free-ride, they just want the corporations to pay their share. A lot of the protesters are young adults who went to school and tried to play the game the right way, but higher-ed costs have gone way up. You probably have no idea what it takes to get a degree these days. And how do they pay it off if there are no jobs?? Yes, they could join the military, but not everyone can do that. And military wages are way below where they should be so likely our vets will be barely eeking out a living for the rest of their lives. Seriously, why should a walls street CEO make millions of dollars because they have their hand up a politicians ass, but we have young men and women coming home wounded or dead and they can't even afford to live indoors?! Your anger is misdirected and I challenge you to fully understand what it is you are mad at and the reasons why. You've been misled and it's causing you to lose basic human emotions and compassion for other living beings. THE END.





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