Occupy Protesters Do They Really Know What They Are Talking About?

About a week ago a group of people actually got in a shouting argument with a group of thugs (Occupy Baltimore) in Baltimore. Basically telling them to go get a job.

Seems like the American people are slowly getting tired of tents cities and trash littering their streets, the smells, the shouting and drums at insane times
Looking at youtube, these type of confrontations are also becoming more common at other Occupy Locations.

Some are going to these protest to see if these people are really the idiots that the MSM are claiming. Well:
In some cases yes they are idiots.

Everyday citizens (Not Main Stream News, Not the "big bad Established media") out asking questions.
Posting what they find on youtube.

Citizens are out hitting the streets to see what is the OWS Movement.
Some Protesters don't want to to talk anyone with a camera, that's not MSM...odd are they just attentions whores? Do they need scripts?
They run away when proven wrong or someone makes a counter point.
Or they just get angry and throw out some anti jew, racism .

This guy just hanging out "for no reason".


This Kid Basically Clueless


Another Guy No Answers. Calling for violence...They don't want to talk when they dont have the answers. Or when they are caught in their lies.


Interview that Limbaugh made remarks on
Not a fan of him. However it is a Interesting Interview.


Again Know What The Hell you are talking about. More Anti Jew And Israel Hatred


This Video Is Hilarious, a record of the protests so far.



This is why some of your fellow citizens do not support you, will never support you.
If you are going to try to protest something make sure everyone there knows WTF they are talking about.

Maybe the MSM are telling the truth...

Meanwhile people will continue to show up cameras at hand.

There are people teaching others there,
He obviously never went to Free Skool. Hahaha,
My local occupy has free skool, in which we have teach ins i suppose, and people will learn about whats going on. Its not hard, they do it at ows and all around the globe at occupy movements,

Its their own stupid fault they don't know what they're talking about, lol, not ows.

They pick the worst of the interviews, because i bet a lot of people aren't good in front of cameras. I'm not, don't like it. I mix things up on camera too

The heads of the Baltimore Police and Firefighter Unions have a different opinion of Occupy Baltimore than you do.

A group of labor leaders, including the head of the city police and fire unions, sent a letter to Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake today asking her not to remove Occupy Baltimore protesters but instead continue dialogue. "Rather than create a confrontation, we believe it would be wise for the city of Baltimore to act with restraint and responsibility," the letter says. "Rather than remove the protesters, we call upon the city to work with representatives of Occupy Baltimore to find a solution that can maintain the protest location and respect the rights of our citizens." The letter is signed by the heads of the city's major unions - including various AFSCME chapters, the Baltimore Teachers Local 340, Fraternal Order of Police, Fire Fighters Local 734 and Fire Officers Local 964, and the City Union of Baltimore Local 800 - who say they support the purpose of the protest.

Source:weblogs.baltimoresun.com...

Originally posted by jlv70
The heads of the Baltimore Police and Firefighter Unions have a different opinion of Occupy Baltimore than you do.

A group of labor leaders, including the head of the city police and fire unions, sent a letter to Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake today asking her not to remove Occupy Baltimore protesters but instead continue dialogue. "Rather than create a confrontation, we believe it would be wise for the city of Baltimore to act with restraint and responsibility," the letter says. "Rather than remove the protesters, we call upon the city to work with representatives of Occupy Baltimore to find a solution that can maintain the protest location and respect the rights of our citizens." The letter is signed by the heads of the city's major unions - including various AFSCME chapters, the Baltimore Teachers Local 340, Fraternal Order of Police, Fire Fighters Local 734 and Fire Officers Local 964, and the City Union of Baltimore Local 800 - who say they support the purpose of the protest.

Source:weblogs.baltimoresun.com...

Yes Unions have always been in the middle of these protest, hell they are organizing it in some places. They are handing out the tents in some places according to some reports I have heard.
Baltimore is trying to stand down.
They are also negotiating with these people to get them to move...

They know about the 1% owning the rest of us 99% of people. They are right that the Fed should end and that there is a problem with social and economic inequity in this nation.

HOWEVER, they are particularly unknowledgeable about the actual workings of financial institutions and the why and how they are causing problems. Basically, most of America is financially illiterate, and OWS is no exception. ATS is no exception in that matter, either. You don't know what the giant banks and megacorporations are doing, specifically, that is wrong, or why it's wrong.

e.g., when I try to explain it to people here, I get either confused responses, or appeals to emotional arguments, mostly the latter. This is actually the exact reaction that OWS people give as well. Until people are ready to listen to the specific issues that need to be addressed without yawning or making emotional, regurgitated arguments, nothing will change.

Back to OWS - they lack in specifics of how or what to fix. Why? Because they don't understand the beast they are fighting. And that's the problem.

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I see. You are against the Unions.

That certainly explains a great deal. I don't trust anyone who does not support a laborer. They are the backbone of the country and if their organizations have been corrupted they should be cleaned out but the workers right to assemble should be protected as one of the founding tenets of a free man in a free country.

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They are talking about this gap (which has only got worse since 2004)...unemployment, corporatism the bank bailouts, the unending war and other issues of importance that affect them. If they could speak articulately on every political issue they would be politicians themselves. They are disenfranchised citizens. Jane and John Q Public. Enough said.

The One Percent is a 2006 documentary about the growing wealth gap between America's wealthy elite compared to the overall citizenry. It was created by Jamie Johnson, an heir to the Johnson & Johnson fortune, and produced by Jamie Johnson and Nick Kurzon. The film's title refers to the top one percent of Americans in terms of wealth, who controlled 42.2 percent of total financial wealth in 2004. en.wikipedia.org...

This video is Jamie Johnson's documentary about the growing wealth gap and the richest 1% of Americans who own roughly half of the entire nations wealth. Produced by Jamie Johnson and Nick Kurzon.

Originally posted by pirhanna
They know about the 1% owning the rest of us 99% of people. They are right that the Fed should end and that there is a problem with social and economic inequity in this nation.

HOWEVER, they are particularly unknowledgeable about the actual workings of financial institutions and the why and how they are causing problems. Basically, most of America is financially illiterate, and OWS is no exception. ATS is no exception in that matter, either. You don't know what the giant banks and megacorporations are doing, specifically, that is wrong, or why it's wrong.

e.g., when I try to explain it to people here, I get either confused responses, or appeals to emotional arguments, mostly the latter. This is actually the exact reaction that OWS people give as well. Until people are ready to listen to the specific issues that need to be addressed without yawning or making emotional, regurgitated arguments, nothing will change.

Back to OWS - they lack in specifics of how or what to fix. Why? Because they don't understand the beast they are fighting. And that's the problem.

Inner workings you mean? Send your notes to the Super Committee...

Did you just call the protestors muggles?

reply to post by StarPeace


Because people like you who are practically unpaid fox news reporters keep regurgitating the same b.s.
Just like the media found ignorant protesters in OWS, they found racist protesters in the Tea Party.

Try being fair. Post both the good and the bad.









Pictures from an OWS protest that I attended (thought the pictures are not mine).













And awesome shirt worn to OWS protest ( I went out and bought this shirt after seeing it, but more importantly these guys ARE bipartisan)




Sorry, no hippies, fiends, squatters, drug addicts, socialists, just real people.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


No people go out and interview these protesters. As outsiders.

Interviewing someone from inside your protest, from inside your tent is not fair.
People are tired of your scripted interviews and scripted statements.

What I posted are people being asked real questions without their script in hand.
These people are not spokesmen, but they should still KNOW what they are out protesting for, that should take very little thought, they should KNOW the facts.

When they are asked a tough question..Their response should not be:

"Are you a Cop?"
"I should not be talking to you".

I'm not a FoxNews viewer but someone who thinks for himself, of course I realize anyone who has a different point of view on this subject will be called a Fox News viewer.

I could easily counter your photo's with photos of Anti-Jew, Anti-Israel, Anti-US, hatred.
Lets be fair the Occupy Protest aren't a utopia of people either. Especially not with the increased reports of sexual assaults.

reply to post by StarPeace


What isn't fair about it? Those videos aren't from the protest I attended.
The videos are just as fair as yours. Those people are there just the same.
Who is to say the people that posted your videos didn't interview a ton of people and choose not to post the intelligent ones? Huh? So what I posted is equal to yours (if not more representative because I have seen it first hand.

Also I would like to point out that the second guy is being interviewed by Fox so it is absurd to say these people are scripted. You are just upset that there are in fact intelligent people out there speaking the truth and educating others. I guess it was pointless for me to ask you to be fair. You weren't making a point, this is and always was going to be a smear/propaganda thread. Now you are just outed.

The pictures are from a small OWS protest and what you see is what there is. People from all walks of life. No camping there. Those are the people there to protest.

If my videos and evidence is no good then neither is yours. Even though I actually know where some of mine came from and there was no bias in it whatsoever. I can see why you got so upset though. You were probably hoping a reply like mine wouldn't find it's way on to your thread until the fifth or sixth page huh?

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I also know where a few of my videos came from. I have visited my local Occupy Protest, unwillingly and have continue to have experiences with them. unwillingly.
As I travel ALOT, and have seen quite a few Occupy Protest.

A few students from my college and from a few other colleges, and regular citizen journalist from around the country have/ and continue to hit the streets and will be interviewing these protesters.

We are taking your advice and not just blindly believing everything the MSM is reporting.

We just don't trust the possibly scripted interviews from inside your tents, therefore we are researching for ourselves and sharing our results.
Sorry if our questions are too hard, trust us we are not cops.


just a hint...if you are going to run away when you are "debunked," you wont look very legit.

I can see why you got so upset though. You were probably hoping a reply like mine wouldn't find it's way on to your thread until the fifth or sixth page huh?

I'm not upset. Why would it upset me?
I don't mind you posting your opinion. This is a forum, I assume you are american and you are free to your opinion. So no it doesn't bother me at all.
Why would it?

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Why must so many of these threads exists attempting to portray every person at any occupy movement in a negative light? I mean with any protest or any large gathering you will have people that are strongly informed, somewhat informed, and not informed at all. Its just the way things go within a crowd. However, at the occupation in my city they have a free library set up with books ranging in topics from economics to social inequality. Also, there are people there who set up shop with the intention of getting people informed. So....


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Why must so many of these threads exists attempting to portray every person at any occupy movement in a negative light? I mean with any protest or any large gathering you will have people that are strongly informed, somewhat informed, and not informed at all. Its just the way things go within a crowd. However, at the occupation in my city they have a free library set up with books ranging in topics from economics to social inequality. Also, there are people there who set up shop with the intention of getting people informed. So....

 

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It's not being negative, a good portion of these people DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT..
It's just a fact.

A Good Portion are just attention whores.
A Good Portion just want to camp out, and do whatever in the middle of the night
A Good Portion want to test their acting skills. ( I have seen this first hand)

Walk up to them and ask what they are protesting for, some do not know. They can not give a straight answer.
Shouldn't a person know what they are protesting, what they are talking about if they are camping out in 20-30-40 degree weather?

reply to post by StarPeace


Stop saying inside your tents. I don't have a tent and I haven't show you anything like that.

I didn't run away. I haven't been debunked. I am at work, so I can't answer the second you want me to.

You have debunked nothing that I posted. It's impossible to, there is nothing to debunk.
You actually showed in your post that you don't know what you are talking about.
When you finally go to a protest willingly (as you have not yet done) and talk to people you will learn the truth.
Unfortunately that will never happen because you want to remain ignorant. Also as long as you are bias (which you clearly are) no one will ever trust your videos. See, you already have me pegged as an out and out OWS protest, but you are wrong. I support it, and I have been to them, but I am far from NY. Also, I don't know why you keep blathering about "from inside your tent." Your thread is transparent, you are transparent.

Sorry for you, I wish you an open mind in the future.

If you don't support OWS you are automatically a fox news viewer, you suck, you have no brain, your views hold no merit, healthy debate will not happen because you are always wrong. OWS supporters are right about everything, they know exactly how the world works, they can fix all the problems.

Welcome to what has been the "social and civil unrest" forum for the last four weeks.

I'm sorry if this is harsh but it's really immature and sad that we can't find a common ground here. Both supporters and people who oppose OWS simply cannot find a common ground to stand on, and unless we do this forum is going to be filled with the same stuff, over and over.

reply to post by JackBauer


No. It's not if you don't support it. It's if you are rabid about denouncing it and spreading disinfo against it. People that do that are like walking examples of the Fox news agenda. No one means "because you said this you literally must be a fox news viewer."

If he had come to this thread and made a case then he wouldn't have been met with what I posted which is a completely proper anti-thesis to his thesis. He was unfair and unbiased. I leveled the thread.

Originally posted by JackBauer
If you don't support OWS you are automatically a fox news viewer, you suck, you have no brain, your views hold no merit, healthy debate will not happen because you are always wrong. OWS supporters are right about everything, they know exactly how the world works, they can fix all the problems.

Welcome to what has been the "social and civil unrest" forum for the last four weeks.

I'm sorry if this is harsh but it's really immature and sad that we can't find a common ground here. Both supporters and people who oppose OWS simply cannot find a common ground to stand on, and unless we do this forum is going to be filled with the same stuff, over and over.

edit on 11/1/2011 by JackBauer because: (no reason given)

It's not surprising.