Occupy Denver camp broken up by police

reply to post by Mr. D


Indeed
U.S. Border Guard turns up armed at Occupy Phoenix

The Arizona Border Rangers, also known as the Border Rangers is, according to JT, made up of war veterans from the Vietnam war and more recent Middle Eastern conflicts as well as ordinary members of the general public.

There have however been allegations and speculation that the Border rangers are actually part of the National Socialist extremist movement in America and could actually discredit the peaceful demonstrations by their presence through potential Neo-Nazi alignment.

Band of winners there.

So who's going to check the lawlessness by protesters? Or is lawlessness by the protesters ok and it is not ok for police to put an end to it?

reply to post by projectvxn


Who gave the order? On what authority? What legal reason did they have to make them leave? See, that's what I'm talking about. You blindly trust an "order". It's okay I forgive you, you've been taught that.

I see your article doesn't even mention the legalities involved and the actual authority anyone had to order them to leave.

It's lawlessness on the part of the Government and Wall street that brought these protests on. If they had respected the law to begin with our economy wouldn't be a shambles with big casinos, er....banks getting bailed on the taxpayer dime while the average guy isn't keeping up with inflation If they can even have a job.
Our government attacks other countries without provocation and yet someone is worried about a couple of riot police getting their rear ends grass stained.
It's the scale of the lawlessness that needs to be kept in mind.
If we don't break the law they will certainly break us.
None of their orders are lawful because they all come from a corrupt regime that does not govern by consent of the people.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


That's what I was getting at. Thanks for spelling it out.

Entrepreneur and activist Russell Simmons is a strong supporter of Occupy Wall Street and has been there in solidarity many days. He has an important message for the protesters:

I’m hearing reports from the field about throwing bottles and cans in Oakland. I understand the frustration – I over-stand it! But real change – the change that got blacks the right the vote, that freed South Africa, that ended Vietnam – they were all NON-VIOLENT. For a reason. They had MORAL POWER. This is the power that Christ harnessed

www.alan.com...

For those who do not know who Alan Colmes is he is as left as you can get and i do think they need to listen to Simmons.

reply to post by neo96


How do you know that they aren't listening? What kind of a person throws stuff at cops in riot gear? The kind with an agenda other than OWS, that's what kind.

reply to post by projectvxn

You know, every time I see these kinds of threads all but a week later it turns out the protesters started the damned fight because someone comes up with the ten or twenty seconds of crucial video that shows protesters throwing things at police or rushing police lines or being attacked by protesters as they are trying to arrest someone legitimately.

Some of the Denver protesters were throwing bottles filled with urine at the police, if that meets your requirements. But the protesters were still yelling "Shame!" at the police as they were dismantling their camp, so maybe they considered it a little harmless Occupy... game.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Mr. D

 

Indeed
U.S. Border Guard turns up armed at Occupy Phoenix

The Arizona Border Rangers, also known as the Border Rangers is, according to JT, made up of war veterans from the Vietnam war and more recent Middle Eastern conflicts as well as ordinary members of the general public.

There have however been allegations and speculation that the Border rangers are actually part of the National Socialist extremist movement in America and could actually discredit the peaceful demonstrations by their presence through potential Neo-Nazi alignment.

Band of winners there.

So who's going to check the lawlessness by protesters? Or is lawlessness by the protesters ok and it is not ok for police to put an end to it?

Don't fall for the MSM psyop, 99% of the 99% are peaceful law abiding citizens. There was already a thread or two here on ATS about provocateurs trying to cause trouble at the protest which tells me not everyone is falling for the MSM sheeple call. Anytime the poor rise up against the rich they will use tactics like that to discredit the movement which enables them (the rich) to keep stealing everything that isn't nailed down. I don't have anything against rich people who have honestly earned what they have through hard work or won it (lottery etc.,) The problem I have is when Corporations and government get together to fleece the poor.....again.

reply to post by Evolutionsend


What kind of person indeed and it usually takes more than just one person instigating and throwing stuff cause and effect and whose to say that more radical elements of leftist idealism hasn't infiltrated there as well.

But hey it's easy to blame the usual suspect's and just hate me i question everything and i accept nothing.

reply to post by Mr. D


I'm tired of hearing "The MSM is a psy op". Sure, the MSM is totally FOS. However, none of the videos I posted were from the MSM. They were taken by OWS protesters themselves

reply to post by Evolutionsend

Who gave the order? On what authority? What legal reason did they have to make them leave? See, that's what I'm talking about. You blindly trust an "order". It's okay I forgive you, you've been taught that.

Probably under city ordinance. Most cities in the US have camping ordinances. They also have public health laws that have been reported ad nauseum(no pun intended) throughout this whole debacle.

You and many of the OWS people believe that it is ok to break laws so long as you're protesting. You don't know the difference between your right to peaceably assemble and civil disobedience. You don't seem to care that the exercise of your rights are not to interfere with the rights of others and that the police aren't effing target practice.

You can keep believing that OWS has the moral high ground. But reality says otherwise. Your cause isn't more important than the rights of others and the peace of the city.

Keep that in mind.

reply to post by projectvxn


Why do you feel the need to stand up for the police? I'm sure they are good people with high morals and ethics however they are not protecting the people, they are protecting the ones who are being protested. It is a dangerous job for sure however they also need to realize what side they are on.

I'm noticing that the police all seem to have removed their name tags. No visible way of identifying them.
Why is that? Because they know they are doing this a thug gang, rather than as officers of the law.
The protest was peaceful. The police moved in on them. Who were the unruly mob?
Who is speaking to the protesters? Any representatives of local government at all? Or just the police?

In my mind this is just provocation by the police. They move in, the protesters shout at them, and they lash out as being 'afeared for their lives' or some other rubbish.
This is jackboots moving at the whim of those who decide from cosy retreats far from the 'madding' crowd.

Disgusting.

There's no real dialog, just orders. "If you don't do what I say - regardless of any legality - I'm going to send in my thugs." Fair enough? That's not policing, that's bullying. Pointing rifles menacingly at unarmed civilians is the epitome of cowardice.

Make them give up their anonymity. Make them stand for what they believe in.
If you choose to 'serve and protect' you need to be clear who you are serving and protecting. These are public servants, and the assembly of protesters wasn't actually affecting anyone in the public. They were affronting the people who control the police.

Police state.

Why isn't the government actually standing up for its citizens? Because they don't care about the voice of the people. They only care about the donations from the lobbyists.

Again, disgusting.

reply to post by Mr. D


I'm defending the police because video after video shows the OWS people starting the trouble and then posting the video to YouTube....Everything but the first 10 or 20 seconds or so that show bottles being thrown, cops being shoved off their horses and motorcycles, and having hazardous substances thrown at them like bottle of effing urine.

How the hell am I not supposed to defend the cops when this is the type of garbage OWS brings to the table time and time again and then whine and cry "police brutality" when the cops respond with force?

reply to post by projectvxn


So if you break a small law, you deserve to have your rights removed? Sorry, that's unconstitutional to tell them to pack up and go home. They camp on public land. They have as much right to be there as anyone else. If they're breaking laws, arrest the lawbreakers and leave the camp alone. This was a deliberate order to remove them altogether.

I hope you remember this when your rights get removed.

reply to post by Evolutionsend


Yeah they do have as much right to be there as anyone else.

What about those anyone else'rs?

Here's another reason not to support this mob of lawless morons:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by projectvxn


It doesn't matter whether you support Occupy or not, you're saying right now that you support "the man" over the people, and that's not cool.

If there's a problem between two people, you solve it, by not violating anyone's rights. It's a pretty tall order of stupidity to violate the rights of a bunch of protestors. They obviously feel that they're untouchable, aka totalitarians.

reply to post by Evolutionsend


I don't care what you think isn't "cool".

I don't think it's cool to start the fight and then claim to be the victim.

reply to post by projectvxn


The fight came to them buddy. Boots came in and said gtfo. You don't seem to get that idea.