So who exactly are these "Fake Jews" mentioned in Revelations 2:9 and 3:9?, page 3

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reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:06 PM by Highlander64

reply to post by rebeldog

you expect us to read the encyclopedia you just posted?
how about you edit them out and/or start your own thread?

way too hard to read 'bro

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:11 PM by Awen24

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by Awen24
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Revelation makes it clear that while they claimed to be Jews, their beliefs, works and practices were clearly not in keeping with what the Sctripture teaches.

Does that not fit mainstream Christianity perfectly?

The claim the blessings of YHWH. The claim the inheritance, because they say Israel lost it. They think that the church has replaced Israel completely.

Yet they believe something totally different than what the Torah teaches. The totally distort the words of Yeshua and Shaul to fit their "new" religion. Their works are totally different, and they obviously do not practice what was commanded.

...that's actually a great comment. "Replacement Theology" is a dangerous thing; not least of all because it renders void the vast majority of Biblical Prophecy... and denies Israel her inheritance and her right as God's Chosen people. There may certainly be some truth in that. Thanks.

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:18 PM by superluminal11

This stuff goes way way back

The word Nazi
immediately people think hater of Jews, Adolph Hitler, killer of jews, Holocaust, Germany etc

ashkeNAZI jew....there is the name once again (Nazi)

Nazi is a god in Sumerian mythology, one of the eight deities born to relieve the illness of Enki. While he was born from a god Nazi was believed to be a man. He was the consort of the goddess Nindar

The name Nazi translates to, “to destroy the past”, or “destroyed”. “Na”, is a Sumerian word that when used as a prefix denotes past-tense. “Zi”, can mean either “life”, “breath”, “soul”, or “to destroy”. In a past-tense, Na-Zi can be translated as one of the following: lived, soulless, or destroyed. Either way, Na-Zi would regard an end to life in some form or another. The traditional origin of the term Nazi is “National Socialism”.

Around 2000 BC, Semitic nomads invaded Mesopotamia and over time the region became dominantly Semitic, and eventually completely Semitic
It would be perposterous to suggest Zionists (Nomadic group of sorcerers basically) killed 6 million Jews to move forward an ancient prophecy.
When a proclaimed jew throws out the anti-semite card on me I simply reply..."I have never been anti-arab and in the true sense to be anti-semitic I would have to be anti-arabic which I am not"....
they dont like that not because they are bad people or are of satan...its simply because they have incorrect information and lack of knowledge.

When ever you are being accused and prosecuted....thats satan

God comes to all who earnestly seek him...I believe it is open to all men-women and only by this greater divine power you can truly be protected and learn the truth. Once you know you will know..there will be no need to convince others or promote it. You will be at peace. You will share and when challenged you will have no need to fight, explain, or defend your position. You will find this Now. Not yesterday or tomorrow.

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reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:27 PM by Copperflower

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

You will be happy to know it is being investigated almost as we speak, lol. So, yes!

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:34 PM by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by rebeldog
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

so are you saying that everything I input is false?

Every falsehood starts with a seed of truth.

Karl Marx

His father converted to Christianity to advance his career. Young Karl disavowed all religions and would later rant against them, especially Judaism. In fact, he is better remembered as one of the world’s most accomplished anti-semites. His famous "On the Jewish Question" called for an end to the emancipation of the Jews because they were enslaved by a harsher taskmaster than the German state: their own religion. He referred to money as the real God of the Old Testament. And, probably not coincidentally, he was frequently in debt to Jewish moneylenders.

Therefore, Karl Marx only counts as a Jew on the slimmest of halachic opinions. And if there was an expulsion process for the Tribe, he would probably be first on the list. His hatred of Jews arose more from his own confusion about his heritage, and his inability to repay his debts, than from a legitimate concern for the human race.

Source

Lenin

Lenin's grandfather, Israel Blank, was born about 1804 in Staro-Konstantynov, Ukraine, to Moshke (son of Isaac) Blank, a Jewish businessman, and his wife, Miriam. In 1820, Isaac applied for conversion to the Russian Orthodox Church, apparently to gain admission to the Medical-Surgical Academy, and changed his name to Aleksandr Dmitrivich Blank. On July 19, 1824, he graduated from medical school and received final confirmation on Jan. 29, 1826.

Dr. Blank went on to a successful career as a physician-surgeon and obstetrician, receiving the honor of being named a state counselor. He married Anna Ivanovna Grosshopf, apparently of Germanic background, who gave birth to a daughter in 1835, Mariya Aleksandrovna Blank, the mother of Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, known as Lenin.

By that criteria Lenin was not Jewish because his mother wasn't born by Jewish woman and also Lenin's grandfather converted to christianity before he married and got children.

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Stalin

No proof of such. Only far-fetched conjecture. In fact, he went to seminary, which Jews are not allowed to do.

Trotsky

Well you got one right.

Cheers for you.

Or how the jews were kicked out of Spain and paid Columbus to get them out of there is false?

So evil, those Jews.

Or how the Jews played a MAJOR role in the african slave trade is false?

Not anymore major than the Christians or Muslims.

Or how a disproportionate number of Jews control the banking and media industry?

Laughable. This has been taken care of many times on ATS.

Or how Henry Ford was not factually correct with sources?

Henry Ford was a bigot. Sad that you look up to him. Might as well look up to David Duke while you are at it.

OOOh I know!! I know!!! the Rothschild weren't actually jews!!

Apparently you do not know anything about Judaism.

And Jesus never actually said anything that would anger them enough to kill him?

What did He say exactly, and whom did He upset?

Or this, the money changers Jesus referred to were actually NOT jewish!!!

Now you got it.

I am proud of you. ANyone who does not practice the Torah is Jewsih.

Now move on.

Stormfront is missing you.

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:36 PM by Chamberf=6

reply to post by rebeldog

I don't think I have ever seen so much copy and paste propaganda in my life, ffs.

BTW: What do you have against giving LINKS?????

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:38 PM by Lemon.Fresh

reply to post by jeramie

I agree to the point of Israel is everyone who has YHWH in their heart.

But it is more than that. You have to follow His Torah. If you do not follow His word, do you really have Him in your heart?

The people in Israel today, are in fact Jewish. They practice Judaism for the most part, some more than other.

They are Judah. They have returned to the land, as prophesied. They will soon turn back to their roots completely and worship YHWH, and then Israel will return to the land.

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reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:39 PM by rebeldog

reply to post by Highlander64

Ok I did get a little carried away..but the info is there, not going anywhere..

Maybe if you have 30 min to burn, and skim thru it.. or zoom to like 200% and it reads alot easier..

I put it all in because anytime "jew" comes up, people defame and ridicule and "sources" me.. so I added enough so that those people will have no way to dispute what I 'say'..

check out the website, its easier to read there.. alot of it is a collage of many peoples research. documented, sourced, published works, etc.. this topic is very close to the center of the onion/matrix whatver you wanna call it.

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:43 PM by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by superluminal11
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ashkeNAZI jew....there is the name once again (Nazi)

. . .

Ashkenaz is the medieval Hebrew name for that area of Europe.

Askenazi is akin to saying Iraqi.

Please learn basic linguistics, man.

Jeebus, you guys are making yourselves look sillier every day.

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:50 PM by rebeldog

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

I have never really fully understood the difference between the torah and talmud.. who should read which one?

why are there 2?

which one is "better"?

which one is truer?

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 09:09 PM by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by rebeldog
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

I have never really fully understood the difference between the torah and talmud.. who should read which one?

why are there 2?

which one is "better"?

which one is truer?

Torah is YHWH's law. It should be read and known by everyone.

Talmud is rabbinic explanation of the Torah. It is up for debate whether it was/is needed, even within Judaism.

There is only one Torah.

There are two Talmuds. Jerusalem and Babylonian. The Jerusalem Talmud started having issues with corruption and faulty practices, and quite a few contradictory (to the Torah) statements. These issues were fixed in the Babylonian Talmud.

Which is better? Torah vs. Talmud - Torah is the best, as it always supersedes Talmud. Jerusalem vs Babylon Talmud - Babylon is better, and the reasoning has already been given.

Which is truer? Torah vs. Talmud . . . again, Torah always supersedes Talmud. Torah is from YHWH. Talmud is from man. erusalem vs Babylon Talmud - Babylon is better, and the reasoning has already been given.

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reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 09:21 PM by Alxandro

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by Alxandro

Truth is truth, no matter who it comes from.

Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com

I'm sorry but I think you are missing the point big time.
The fact is, truth can be revealed or truth can be suppressed, depending on who happens to be trying to spoon feed it to you.

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 09:24 PM by Lemon.Fresh

reply to post by Alxandro

Please, go on.

It sounds like you are going to get into the circular logic that defies logic.

Should be interesting.

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 09:27 PM by bigfatfurrytexan

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

i think the only thing that can be conclusively proven by the Bible is that people are still, after all these years, superstitious and naive

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 09:37 PM by Alxandro

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

Dagnabbit.
I think you just beat me to it with that last statement.

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 10:59 PM by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
[color=Yellow]Before you read on, please don't get the wrong idea because I do not intend to to cause any offence in this thread. Peace.[/color]

Revelation 2:9
King James Version

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Revelation 3:9
King James Version

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

Could this actually be conclusive proof that the Bible is referring to the Zionist Conspiracy to bring forth the New World Order though World War 3 who don't represent the actual innocent Jewish People at all?

Would like your thoughts on this.

Peace.

My conjecture is that it's Jews who reject Christ as the Messiah. It's hard to tell exactly since it's been a point of contention by Biblical scholars for nearly 2,000 years.

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 11:05 PM by Djarums

Originally posted by rebeldog
Well, im tired of copy and pasting..

The "false" jews are discussed ad nauseum all over youtube and you can find a lifetime of info from the website:

www.jewwatch.com...

it is SOoooooo full of stuff..

My eyes must be deceiving me. Did an ATS member just link to jewwatch?

How laughable. Do the bigoted semi-literate pieces of trash over there still believe Jews have horns?

What an insult to every member and guest who read our threads to link to that pathetic garbage and try to pass it off as credible.

Unbelievable.

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 11:05 PM by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by rebeldog
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

I have never really fully understood the difference between the torah and talmud.. who should read which one?

why are there 2?

which one is "better"?

which one is truer?

The Talmuds (more than one) are Rabbinical commentaries/oral traditions on the Torah. The Babylonian Talmud has 30 volumes.

reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 11:07 PM by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Djarums

Originally posted by rebeldog
Well, im tired of copy and pasting..

The "false" jews are discussed ad nauseum all over youtube and you can find a lifetime of info from the website:

www.jewwatch.com...

it is SOoooooo full of stuff..

My eyes must be deceiving me. Did an ATS member just link to jewwatch?

How laughable. Do the bigoted semi-literate pieces of trash over there still believe Jews have horns?

What an insult to every member and guest who read our threads to link to that pathetic garbage and try to pass it off as credible.

Unbelievable.

For some reason ATS is a hotbed for antiSemitism. I've never seen it so vicious and abundant as I've seen it here.

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