ANONYMOUS Identifies Cop Who Shot Marine Vet Scott Olsen

Originally posted by GodefroydeBouillon
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Im sorry for his wife and kids for is action, im sorry for the marine that is in the hospital.
Lets hope he gets suspended for a few days, without pay at least.

Could care less about his wife and kids.

What about the children of the people and the people who've been beaten, murdered or wrongly imprisoned by scumbags like him, who've planted drugs or wepons on them just for a collar. They didn't give a rats ass that those kids lives were destroyed.

Suspended for a few days?. He should have his teeth kicked down his throat then both of his arms snapped in 1/2. F44k his wife and kids.

Originally posted by Revealation

Originally posted by GodefroydeBouillon

Im sorry for his wife and kids for is action, im sorry for the marine that is in the hospital.
Lets hope he gets suspended for a few days, without pay at least.

Could care less about his wife and kids.

What about the children of the people and the people who've been beaten, murdered or wrongly imprisoned by scumbags like him, who've planted drugs or wepons on them just for a collar. They didn't give a rats ass that those kids lives were destroyed.

Suspended for a few days?. He should have his teeth kicked down his throat then both of his arms snapped in 1/2. F44k his wife and kids.

I love this , they are just making you dance. you fail to look at who put all these events in motion. the people who frustrated the protesters and those same people are the ones who send out the guard dogs..

it's not the cops nor the protestors fault it is those who have manipulated us to get to where we are.

punishing the cop and any other cop after that is not going to fix the problem till those commanding the police force are dealt with

same for the protesters they will not stop being frustrated until those have manipulated the market and left the common man holding the bag are dealt with .

it's perfect divide and conquer and you are fallilng for it hook line and sinker.


it's psyche warefare and they are winning

Annonymous is not our friend, no matter what people think. Its all circus and games, and manipulations so you don't pull back the curtain and target the top bildenberg's, corporate heads, banking heads, royal heads, religious heads, and their direct employees, our leaders. Target the top of the pyramid, ignore all the little guys. And ignore all their fear doom/porn and the shocking events, things they keep pulling off. Because its all to up our fear, control our co-creational abilities and consciousness, lower the frequency of this planet, keep us dumbed down and enslaved.

I don't believe this is the man, he doesnt have mean eyes. He has concerned eyes, and if he was used, he was forced. They can pick on whomever they want.

"do unto other as you would have them do unto you"


Xcathdra likes to "school" us on ATS as to the letter of the law, forgetting the intent, I note that he/she has not made a mention of the flash bang thrown at the group trying to help the injured, funny that, what "law" covered that action sir or madam, I ask you directly


tangonine sounds like he is related to the offending officer, most likely a wannabe of some sort,wannabe what, I do not know, nor really wish to, sad, very very sad, I will still fight for his/hers right to express thyemself

I do not condone what "anonymous" has "allegedly" done, I also would Never condone preventing first aid to anyone, at anytime. what LAW does it break to give first aid anyways??? I am a formerly active duty Marine, this guy was a sh*tbird, but nonetheless a Fellow Marine. I have/will/and continue to fight for his right to express himself, I swore an Oath, I never did see a time limit on it.

Originally posted by BadNinja68
Who was in charge? Who's jurisdiction was this in?
Who is accepting responsibility for being in charge? Let's see who this gets passed to.

The City of Oakland Police department has primary jurisdiction.
Alameda County has jurisdiction anywhere in the county.
California Highway Patrol has authority anywhere in the State.
Any mutual aided agencies can enforce state law while operating outside of their jurisdiction.

Agencies will coordinate, usually taking their directions from the agency with primary jurisdiction. Sometimes thats difficult, especailly in situations like this. In that case agencies utilize their own policies until uniformed incident command is etablished.

In the case of the rubber bullet and the marine, Oakland Pd doesnt use those. The Chief has turned the investigation over to the PA offices to investigate and determine what, if any charges, should be filed.

Originally posted by BadNinja68
My background is not snip for room.

I asked about your background to determine how much info to put in my responses to you. You should stop being paranoid all the time. Since you seem to be jaded towards law enforcement, it explains the blanket comments towards law enforcement. Taken with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by BadNinja68
It took OWS a couple of days to identify the officer. So how long will this investigation take? long enough for it to be out of the public's mind?
Because we have seen time and time again exactly how LEO polices itself.

OWS has not identified the officer. What they did is assume the officer in the picture, who is clearly shown tossing 2 stun grenades and nothing else, is the suspect. As I stated in another thread we now have the injury attriuted to the flash bang, others attribute it to a tear gas container and yet another attributes it to a rubber bullet. All those guesses are coming from OWS.

Oakland PD turned the investigation over to the Prosecuting Attorneys office to avoid problems. What you and some others need to get through your head is law enforcement retains their civil rights, just like the marine and the protestors arested for being asshats.

Innocent until proven guilty. If you are going to attack the government for supposedly taking your rights away, while in the same breath demand rights be taken away from the police, makes you no better than those you condemn.

Originally posted by BadNinja68
With great power comes greater responsibility.

A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in a national election.
Bill Vaughan

Originally posted by BadNinja68
So when a cop faces an investigation, do they have to hire an attorney or suffer with a public pretender(defender) like a citizen?
Or do they get special representation?

It depends on the legal situation. If department related, the department provides council. If its the department going after an officer the POA or equivelant provides a lawyer. If all else fails they can retain private council or represent themselves in court. Just like any other citizen.

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Originally posted by BadNinja68
But civilians get to pay a little more.
If I made a fatal mistake on the job I doubt Id get a month off with pay while my boss asseses damage.

And since in this country we are innocent until proven guilty, just like every other citizen, your premis holds no water. You can be suspened at your palce of employment with or without pay while an investigation os ongoing. Its not limited to police, and trying to argue it is is disengenuous and naive.

Originally posted by BadNinja68
Okay, next time I get in trouble I'll ask a PBA paid union lawyer to come in place of the public defender.
I'll ask my own companty to investigate, and i'll ask for my paycheck to be sent to my house while it's all being worked out.
I'll ask for it all to be done in private, and my companies affiliates will decide the outcome.

Please quit acting like a 5 year old and read what im typing. If you are part of a unuion and your legal situation falls within the Union guidelines, you can use a union lawyer instead of a public defender. A Public defender is used when a person cannot retain private council. As far as being payed, thats between you and your employer, and trying to spin it as something its not doesnt help your argument.

Originally posted by BadNinja68
Politicians can't be arrested?..since when?
yeah we are all equal.

Wow.. That information is grade school / hig school level. A sitting politician (state / FEderal level) cant be arrested for a crime until they are voted out or removed from office. Check your State Constitution and FEderal Constittution, in addition to House / Senate rules and Supreme Court rulings that govern the issue. The President is covered under the doctrine of Soverign Immunity. In addition to politicians active duty / reserve military personnel, when responding to a deployment, are also covered in some legal circumstances.

The answer you are looking for is Article 1 section 6 of the US Constitution.

(The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.) (The preceding words in parentheses were modified by the 27th Amendment.) They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.

reply to post by yaluk

punishing the cop and any other cop after that is not going to fix the problem till those commanding the police force are dealt with

"The greatest crimes in the world are not committed by people breaking the rules but by people following
the rules. It's people who follow orders that drop bombs and massacre villages."

-Banksy

People need to take responsibility for their OWN actions, especially the police. If this were WWII a Nazi would still be a Nazi, following chain of command or not.

reply to post by DrinkYourDrug


...and a civilian should behave in a manner that doesnt place anyone else in danger. If you want to hold the police accoutible for tossing a flash bang / tear gas into the crowd, then should those in the crowd who threw rocks / glass bottles / paint etc at law enforcement be held to the same standard you and others are applying to law enforcment?

Accountability is everyones business, not just the police the government etc, but the citizens as well.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Arrest anyone you find doing these things, I don't care. Throw the book at em'.

But go after the cops who do dirty as hard as you do the rest of us, or even harder (because their job is to promote justice).

We all know rock throwers and bottle tossers get arrested when they are identified and caught. Good job! Now -- go after the cop who threw the grenade at the peaceful protesters who were trying to drag a wounded man to safety, and we will have nothing to disagree about.

reply to post by Xcathdra


sorry you're embedded quote clearly states "except for Treason, Felony, or Breach of Peace" so yes they CAN be arrested, for breach of peace, for creating the whole OWS movement itself, and it may even border on Treason,
READ your words

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Arrest anyone you find doing these things, I don't care. Throw the book at em'.

But go after the cops who do dirty as hard as you do the rest of us, or even harder (because their job is to promote justice).

We all know rock throwers and bottle tossers get arrested when they are identified and caught. Good job! Now -- go after the cop who threw the grenade at the peaceful protesters who were trying to drag a wounded man to safety, and we will have nothing to disagree about.

edit on 1-11-2011 by 0zzymand0s because: (no reason given)

You just demonstrated the problem. If you take the time to look, OWS are blaming the injuries to the MArine on -
* A rubber bullet
* tear gas canister being fired into the crowd
* Flash Bang tossed

You guys re grasping at straws an are allowing your personal opinions to act in place of law. This is the reason an independant investigation is being conducted not by the police, but by the Alameda County PA.

What you and others are suggesting is not justice, its called a drumhead.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by DrinkYourDrug

 

...and a civilian should behave in a manner that doesnt place anyone else in danger. If you want to hold the police accoutible for tossing a flash bang / tear gas into the crowd, then should those in the crowd who threw rocks / glass bottles / paint etc at law enforcement be held to the same standard you and others are applying to law enforcment?

Accountability is everyones business, not just the police the government etc, but the citizens as well.

Fine, I will give up every bottle and rock tosser that caused brain Damage to the cops ( put your OWN punch line here )

Originally posted by DrinkYourDrug
reply to post by yaluk

 

punishing the cop and any other cop after that is not going to fix the problem till those commanding the police force are dealt with

"The greatest crimes in the world are not committed by people breaking the rules but by people following
the rules. It's people who follow orders that drop bombs and massacre villages."

-Banksy

People need to take responsibility for their OWN actions, especially the police. If this were WWII a Nazi would still be a Nazi, following chain of command or not.

And yet the puppets dance. You fail to see the point in what i said. We are quick to hold the tools accountable but not the masterminds.

The nazi party would not have had the success it did without its leader, without hitler's charisma and ideas it would have never taken off the ground. nazis/cops were tools. Tools that were manipulated.

Now you are being manipulated into fighting the cops instead of who directs the cops. There will be bad cops and good cops whether they are being directed for good or bad. In this instance they are being directed with bad motives, yet instead of focussing on that you want to focus on one cop.

way to not see the big picture and fall for the diversion of divide and conquer. Pit cops directly against OWs.

Both sides have been manipulated yet you would rather deal with small fry problems that will always exist instead of the bigger picture. I hope too many people do not think like you.

Originally posted by thedigirati
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

sorry you're embedded quote clearly states "except for Treason, Felony, or Breach of Peace" so yes they CAN be arrested, for breach of peace, for creating the whole OWS movement itself, and it may even border on Treason,
READ your words

Uhm yeah, I know what I typed being im the one who typed it. Secondly its not treason, look the term up and be familiar with the elements. A state Senator from N. Carolina if I remeber right was arrested for peace disturbance, cited and released, which is allowed under theuir state constitution.

I stand by what I said though about the rest that they cant be arrested while doing their job.

reply to post by thedigirati


Im sorry I didnt realize that when you guys were complaining about the government taking rights way that what you were really stating was you wanted to take the rights away from those who dont agree with you.

People say the cops use of tear gas / flash bangs is wrong.
I say the people throwing rocks and glass and paint at law enforcement are wrong.

You dont get it both ways.

reply to post by Xcathdra


We know a cop tossed a grenade. Putting Jesus in charge of the the investigation will just make the end-story more retarded.

Arrest, try and send to prison the cop who threw that grenade. You may take all the rock throwers and bottle tossers you can carry.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

We know a cop tossed a grenade. Putting Jesus in charge of the the investigation will just make the end-story more retarded.

Arrest, try and send to prison the cop who threw that grenade. You may take all the rock throwers and bottle tossers you can carry.

The problem with your scenario is the fact you have no idea what caused the injury. Until it can be investigated, and medical information viewed (which can explain the injury and how fast an object is moving that possibly caused the injury) we dont know what happened.

Your just asuming the flash bang was the cause. The OWS movement is all over the palce with what they think happened, which means no one knows for sure, as of yet, what happened.

This is real life, not a game of clue. Let the investigation run its course and go from there.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by thedigirati

 

Im sorry I didnt realize that when you guys were complaining about the government taking rights way that what you were really stating was you wanted to take the rights away from those who dont agree with you.

People say the cops use of tear gas / flash bangs is wrong.
I say the people throwing rocks and glass and paint at law enforcement are wrong.

You dont get it both ways.

Both ways? show me the officer that went to the hospital with head trauma, in Oakland, that night?

Oh you had PPG, helmets, face shield, gloves ect. ya know "work gear"

Show me ANY indication that the OWS prevented first aid to an Officer.

(citation please)

Sorry if you miss this, but the "other Option" is not go where bottle rocks paint ETC would get thrown at me too ya know, Both ways.

reply to post by Xcathdra


I don't care what caused the injury, and neither do the cops when a drunk driver is involved in an "accident."

All that matters is the grenade tosser tossed a grenade at unarmed civilians attempting to rescue a wounded man. That should merit some serious charges. In fact -- in war -- it's called a "war crime."

This PIG Bergstresser will face the full wrath of Anonymous

I bet you can squeal like a pig officer . Weeeeeeee!

An injury to one is injury to all!

We Do Not Forgive

We Do Not Forget

He should expect US!



OINK

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

I don't care what caused the injury, and neither do the cops when a drunk driver is involved in an "accident."

All that matters is the grenade tosser tossed a grenade at unarmed civilians attempting to rescue a wounded man. That should merit some serious charges. In fact -- in war -- it's called a "war crime."

edit on 1-11-2011 by 0zzymand0s because: (no reason given)

In war its not called a war crime, but nice try. Secondly, learn the difference between civilian domestic law, federal law and the Geneva conventions which by the way only apply during times of armed conflict.
Secondly, its obvious that your running your own agenda instead of wanting to find out all of the facts before acting. Amazing how quickly you throw out the Constitution and State Laws when they dont support your agument.

If you want the cop punished, then you should be arrested for the same.

I say this, not based on evidence, but on your logic and argument thus far.