Democracy/Communisim

I'm sorry if this is in the wrong thread, if so mods could you please move it. I don't write threads all the time so I will try and lay this out the best I can.

Here we go.

Throughout man, there has been so many forms of Government and they've run from the start of time and no doubt will run till the end of time. They're are so many forms of basic governments that could be;

Aristocracy
Autocracy
Communist state
Confederation
Consociationalism
Corporatocracy
Demarchy
Democracy
Despotism
Empire
Ethnocracy
Fascist state
Federation
Feudalism
Gerontocracy
Green state
Hierocracy
Isocracy
Interregnum
Kleptocracy
Kritocracy
Logocracy
Matriarchy
Meritocracy
Minarchism
Monarchy
Nanny state
Nation-state
Ochlocracy
Oligarchy
Parliamentary state
Patriarchy
Provisional government
Polyarchy
Presidential
Puppet state
Republic
Socialist state
Stratocracy
Supranational union
Technocracy
Thalassocracy
Theocracy
Timocracy
Tribe
Tyranny
Unitary state

Source - en.wikipedia.org...

OWS has a very mixed group that has all different sorts of beliefs some communist, some people are democratic ect, why cant OWS or anyone out there not come to a mutual understand, the previous governments have been tested in some period of time so we have some background information, how the people lived, how the currency system worked, living conditions and so on but what gets me the most is, why people can not just put government differences aside and create one government from different parts of other ones, so there is no flaws/flawed system.

I read a post where the OP said that it was more like a community than just a protest, they had everything sorted out, the way the system works there is - the groups are split up into about 20 or so people, from that they then select one representative from the group who will speak on behalf of the 20 or so people, and there would be multiple groups so no ones idea's or suggestions would be drowned out by the mass of voices shouting.

Who said you cannot pick and choose what you want from other forms of government, tweak certain governments that work but didn't work due to the leader or a small group of men who's interest is "Everything for me, and very little for the people"

I don't have enough time to finish the post due to annoyances in the household. Will finish later on tonight when I get some free time.

The flaw isn't the government system that is used. It's the people who use it. As long as humans control their own system it will be flawed. Which is why we have revolutions, to 'reset' the government.

reply to post by Ark005

I agree.The problem with 'democracy' is that most people are idiots.Myself included.I dont know why we cant just ask a super computer what to do.

The flaw of any system of governance has always been, and shall always be, that those operating it are imperfect. As such, we will invariably wind up with corruption and eventually, collapse. The history of human civilization is absolutely clear on this matter and without question, the best reference for the same.

Options? Let's see...

A world governed by computers/machines? If mankind makes the machines, don't expect them to do any better.

A world governed by ET? Oh yes, come down and save us from ourselves so that we can then become a second-class, garbage race under the thumb of another imperfect species.

Can God save us? Well, it is noted at least in one place that God helps those who help themselves... meaning, surrender is not part of the equation. We don't get saved because we fail. We get saved because we rise above ourselves and succeed. The 'church' does not necessarily represent the Almighty so arguments against religion are just arguments, again, against ourselves.

But, even for those who don't believe in deity, the answer is the same. Humanity must complete its journey and mature into a race that is successful. Quitting is failure and if you're ready to give up because the job's too tough, then maybe you would have done better as a chipmunk or mosquito.

So, here we are; an imperfect species producing imperfect systems of government that oversee an imperfect culture that dominates an imperfect society.

Who do we blame but ourselves? Who do we turn to but ourselves? It's our life, our time on this little rock. We either fix it ourselves or lose everything.

Originally posted by Ark005
The flaw isn't the government system that is used. It's the people who use it. As long as humans control their own system it will be flawed. Which is why we have revolutions, to 'reset' the government.

edit on 31/10/11 by Ark005 because: Found an error.

I agree its mostly about the people who run it, but what if we didn't have to push the 'reset' button set up a government that would be supreme enough to handle them themselves and constantly be for the people.

reply to post by Windows


This is why I'm not with ANY party... I have many different views and also feel parties aside, differences need to be worked out. Take the strong supports on different issues and stand by them. Everyone has to be willing to give up a little for the best of EVERYONE. If you give then make sure to get something in return and visa versa.

I wish there never were political parties and each law/bill was voted on independently. All this list shows me is how many times government has failed...

Gee I wonder why...

Our representative democracy is not a perfect form of government, however, the U.S. Constitution lays out a structure for what I consider to be as close to perfect as we are ever going to get. The problem is that we have strayed from what our "founding fathers" intended.

If we could get to the point where "individual sovereignty" is supreme instead of the majority of power being centralized in Washington D.C., our country would be more in line with the founders' intent. The federal government should be least powerful when it comes to sovereignty between individuals, states and the federal government. Is individual, state, or federal sovereignty supreme? Currently the trend is that the federal government is gaining power. It has been that way for a very long time. They are taking power in small pieces from us so that we will not notice until it is too late. We have to change that trend or our democracy will be dead within a very short period.