Herman Cain Accused of Inappropriate Sexual Behavior: Two Women Receive Financial Settlements

reply to post by whaaa

The RNC is crafting Cains' resignation speech as we speak. They now know for a fact that more women are going to come forward and accuse him of sexual inappropriate behavior and they are in full damage control to try and keep the back wash from tainting the whole of the GOP.

Although I haven't kept up with the latest news in the last 24 hours, I don't see how the RNC and their crafting is worth a fart in the wind!

It's not their damage to control, I can't stand stuffy old rhino's. When will they learn their kind of damage control is what makes them the fools they are.

I'll continue to read the latest posted in the thread but so far I haven't seen any links or read anything about the RNC's hoopla.

I hope the women coming forward are out of the three year span the other women are in.
I guess, if their accusations are true, Cain had an itch that lasted three years and only during his NRA profession. If he was a horny-toad in such a small span of his many years of adult life, I question why he never made it past first base, or maybe I should say... he made it half way to second base.... ewwwww!

Originally posted by sweetliberty
I guess, if their accusations are true, Cain had an itch that lasted three years and only during his NRA profession. If he was a horny-toad in such a small span of his many years of adult life, I question why he never made it past first base,

Speculation only:

I wouldn't assume that his behavior with women lasted only the three years he was CEO of the NRA.. If he has a pattern of this behavior, he's most likely a womanizer and partakes as he pleases. I would be a little suspicious if the accusations only came from these 3 years...

And it's very possible he did make it past first base. If there are women out there who are not speaking (which we know there are), it's hard to tell what they experienced.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
This was on twitter

CAIN EXPECTED TO MAKE MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT ON SAVAGE NATION RADIO SHOW TODAY AT 7:30 p.m. EST.

Did you hear any more about this?

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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by sweetliberty This was on twitter

CAIN EXPECTED TO MAKE MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT ON SAVAGE NATION RADIO SHOW TODAY AT 7:30 p.m. EST.

Did you hear any more about this?

Edit for update:
Nothing major imo
The announcement wasn't really what I would call an announcement or major.
The article mentions a few things pertaining to Cain's campaign such as questions he would ask if he was asked to be vice president.
He was asked what other position he would accept. Answer: Defense.
Cain elaborates on that position.

Lol, Michael teased me, ... sorry for taking the bait and posting it here too soon.

reply to post by sweetliberty


You seem a lot smarter than that. Savage has been so far up Cain's ass it is embarrassing. You should have known to expect nothing because the announcement I heard came right after "Once I got my PhD in immunology, I..." Savage routine lies about what his degree is in, why should he not lie about the next thing or the last thing he said either. It is one thing to stand by your man and even defend him but Savage has been a sycophant and I hope he falls flat on his face just for the over-exuberance of his blind faith.

Here is where I am lost. Not many of you on ATS are so loyally defending Cain but the few of you that are share some odd overlap. I see many of you are the same people that spent a great deal of time complaining that our current president was not looked into enough, not vetted properly, not thoroughly investigated, and not well known enough. I guess that is all just team sports then?

Originally posted by FallenWun
Here is where I am lost. Not many of you on ATS are so loyally defending Cain but the few of you that are share some odd overlap. I see many of you are the same people that spent a great deal of time complaining that our current president was not looked into enough, not vetted properly, not thoroughly investigated, and not well known enough. I guess that is all just team sports then?

That's the point I've been trying to make. The same people who wanted investigations into Obama's life (based on pure rumor) are the ones defending Cain here. And there are only a few that are vocal enough, but if you look at how well Cain is doing among Republicans - they are the same Republicans who were calling for Obama's impeachment because he supposedly refused to prove to us who he is... Even after the release of his short AND long-form birth certificate on the Internet. He proved himself innocent and they are still charging him with being "Kenyan"...

Not only that, remember the complaints that he had virtually no political experience??? All that is irrelevant now that we're talking about "their guy". That team mentality is one of the reasons that I will never join a political party. I'll think for myself, thank you!

When the "Obama was born in Kenya" rumor came out, I joined with my fellow ATSers to look deep into it and find the truth. What I found (or didn't find) led me to believe that there was no real reason to suspect a foreign birth. And I still feel that way,

There are several reasons to continue to suspect Cain, however. It's ironic to me that Cain is slurping up the media attention while denigrating the media who covers him and making himself out to be a VICTIM of them...

“In no other country would Herman Cain be taken seriously in a way that would take up the time and the attention of serious decision-makers,” McClure said. “What Cain traffics in is that he’s glib and he loves attention. The media also traffics in glibness, so it’s a match made in hell.”
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“It plays to the victimhood strain, the aggrieved aspect of being a conservative in an allegedly liberal, elitist media world,” said Marty Kaplan, a professor of media and politics at the University of Southern California. “Cain has played into that — he gets the benefits of attention, and for his conservative supporters it proves what a grand antagonist toward the media he can be.”

Washington Post

Originally posted by sweetliberty
Thank you for taking the time to read the letter and the time to post such through, well written logical analysis of it. Your findings and opinions are to be respected and you are certainly an asset to this thread!

edit on 12-11-2011 by sweetliberty because: (no reason given)

Thank you for rocking the research. That kind of truth seeking is what ATS was meant to be all about. It's rarities like yourself that renew my faith in the forum.

Thse kind of discussions educate me in many different ways.

While I came in with the conclusion that LVA was complete bunk and Polygraphs were great...

I have ended ..well, still thinking LVA is bunk, but understanding that it does likely measure stress and emotion. It is a fair indicator whether someone is uncomfortable or not in their speech. I think most practiced politicians would read "honest" on LVA as they are practiced public speakers, while any one of us would read "Deception" if tested in fron of a crowd of reporters and hot lights.

I have also discovered, that while polygraphs are slightly better than LVA...they are only reliable maybe 60-70% of the time and can be manipulated by the testee.

The famous spy Aldrich Ames past a CIA Polygraph...how? Well when he knew he would be tested he asked his Soviet Handlers for advice on beating the test. They said...": "Get a good night's sleep, and rest, and go into the test rested and relaxed. Be nice to the polygraph examiner, develop a rapport, and be cooperative and try to maintain your calm." WOW...it was that simple. Scary. Many courts don't put weight in Polygraphs either.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Originally posted by sweetliberty This was on twitter

CAIN EXPECTED TO MAKE MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT ON SAVAGE NATION RADIO SHOW TODAY AT 7:30 p.m. EST.

Did you hear any more about this?

Edit for update:
Nothing major imo
The announcement wasn't really what I would call an announcement or major.
The article mentions a few things pertaining to Cain's campaign such as questions he would ask if he was asked to be vice president.
He was asked what other position he would accept. Answer: Defense.
Cain elaborates on that position.

Lol, Michael teased me, ... sorry for taking the bait and posting it here too soon.

edit on 12-11-2011 by sweetliberty because: (no reason given)

His new PR firm is slightly brilliant...Lomonaide from Lemons They can put out a Twitter teaser announcement like this and people will watch...will he confess? Is he going to take a lie detector?? And then he uses the crowd to get his position out there! Great strategy if you think about it. Using the scandal to thier advantage!

Originally posted by sweetliberty
If he was a horny-toad in such a small span of his many years of adult life, I question why he never made it past first base,

I am going to be crass for a moment here. Back in my single days frequenting bars with the boys, there were always a few crude guys, that would come on strong and crude with the ladies. They struck out often, but sometimes they got "yes"...which always shocked me. They played the numbers and what they lacked in tact they made up for in the volume of women they came onto.

I guess is what I am saying is...Cain (if the allegations are accurate) likely succeeded a few times. Those women are out there, but their story is slightly more embarrassing...they slept with him. Not sure if they will come forward.

reply to post by sweetliberty


Has your investigation into voice analysis yielded any results?

Watch this...www.cnn.com...

Then watch a Cain interview about his current inappropriate behavior.

reply to post by whaaa


Thanks for that video! I really enjoyed it. Just some things to point out:

People who are over-determined in their denial
1) don’t use contractions in the denial and
2) avoid personalizing the subject by use of ‘distancing language’.

Clinton: “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”
Cain: “I have never acted inappropriately with anyone. Period”.

Cain also called Bialek “Allred’s client” and “a troubled woman” instead of using her name.

Interestingly, he uses contractions while talking about not remembering Bialek. Is he telling the truth about that? I wouldn’t find that too hard to believe, especially if he is a womanizer and has left a trail… He goes on to say that the charges and accusations “simply did not happen.”

He included a lot of irrelevant detail, but that was all about campaigning, IMO.

And I just want to say that he talks about himself in the first person… Give BH a break!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Interestingly, he uses contractions while talking about not remembering Bialek. Is he telling the truth about that? I wouldn’t find that too hard to believe, especially if he is a womanizer and has left a trail… He goes on to say that the charges and accusations “simply did not happen.”

I agree that he might have been being honest when he said he did not immediately recognize Bialek. It is amazing how often we choose to discard certain memories or not prioritize them. I have several siblings and now when we are older and recount our shared childhood, it always amazes us what each remembers clearly and what each we doesn't remember at all. What was an important time or event to one of us and warranted remembering, is completely absent in the memory of others. I had a similair event at a school renunion...the odd phenomena of people telling stories about you that you do not remember happening at all.

Throw in a few drinks and a fast and loose lifestyle and it is entirely possible that Cain might not remember comming on to Bialek at all or in the manner he did. To him it might have been another Friday night after a few drinks and he had little exposure to her before or after the event and if he simply registered it as a "turn down" and didn't see her again...men don't spend much time remembering the women who turned them down, more so if they never see them again for years. To Bialek it was mildly traumatic and it stuck with her.

I can believe that he didn't immediately recognize her.

Also..as far as Whaaa's video? Dupers delight? The amount of times that Cain smiles in a self satisfied way after pitching a denial is too many to count, but I have to acknowledge he has a crowd he is speaking to, so it might be difficult to sort out the interaction between him and the crowd. It is a slightly different thing than OJ Simpson giving that creepy smile in a silent court-room.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And I just want to say that he talks about himself in the first person… Give BH a break!

I just reread this. I meant THIRD person!

reply to post by Indigo5


Yes, I agree with you. And he's campaigning. Of course he's going to smile and be as entertaining and likeable as he can. He's no dummy when it comes to charm...

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


and after watching this.....

www.cnn.com...

Now watch this....

www.rawstory.com...

yeah right....

reply to post by FallenWun

Savage has been so far up Cain's ass it is embarrassing.

I'm aware of only one interview before this one. Savage in not an ass-kisser!

You should have known to expect nothing because the announcement I heard came right after "Once I got my PhD in immunology, I..."Savage routine lies about what his degree is in, why should he not lie about the next thing or the last thing he said either.

en.wikipedia.org...

Education B.A., Biology (Queens College) M.A., Anthropology and M.S., Ethnobotany (University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa) Ph.D., Nutritional Ethnomedicine (University of California, Berkeley)

Ethnomedicine

In the scientific arena, ethnomedical studies are generally characterized by a strong anthropological approach, or by a strong biomedical approach, particularly in drug discovery programs. The focus of anthropological studies is the perception and context of use of traditional medicines, while biomedical approaches often focus on discovering therapeutic molecules, such as the anti HIV/AIDS molecule prostratin.

It is one thing to stand by your man and even defend him but Savage has been a sycophant and I hope he falls flat on his face just for the over-exuberance of his blind faith.

Savage caught my attention when he addressed the mysterious death of John P. Wheeler. Savage, imo, has a conspiracy theorist hiding in him.
A sycophant? No, not imo. Savage is no suck-up!!! Narcissistic? Yes, to a degree, as do many leaders... and many men, lol.
After the first interview with Herman Cain, Savage regarded Cain with respect.
As some time went by, Savage mentioned on a few occasions that he feared the jokers in his campaign are keeping Cain from real people of the real world. Savage expressed disappointment that Cain hadn't responded to invitations of another interview once, that I'm aware of.

His disappointment in Cain didn't last long. Once the accusations of possible sexual harassment saturated the news Savage defended Herman Cain because, like many of the other's who defend Herman Cain, Savage believes Cain is the one being assaulted by innuendos and perplexed quantum style types of deceit that usually surround and destroy anyone the ruling establishment targets.

As for the "stand by your man" injection...
Once an advocate for women and children, always an advocate for women and children! I will always defend my sisters and our children if needed.

In this particular case, Sharon the self-sacrificial lamb for the rights of victims of sexual injustices has not only chosen her advocate, she is a part of a machine that continues to erode our liberties and our men first in the public eye and second, with scant evidence at best. She alone set women back 100 years!
Had she stood alone and with a little dignity, I would run to her, hold her hand and help her in any way possible!
In this particular case, I chose to advocate FIRST for the truth and second, I chose to be a part of defending Herman Cain's name and reputation until it isn't worth defending.

He isn't my man but everyone's man due to the viciousness of the left of late.
If you're speaking of Savage, well, if he were younger, for fun, I'd take my chances at him and show that Yankee what it's like to mix a little southerner with his old Sicilian style personality, lol.
I believe Savage was a little too tickled/excited when he or whoever, tweeted the "major announcement".
Definitively misleading! So I guess his character should be the first thing to attack?

reply to post by whaaa


She was shaking her head 'no' when she said that he totally respects women.

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain’s wife says her husband would have to have a “split personality” if he sexually harassed women the way that recent allegations claim.

I would say the same thing about my husband. I suppose most married women would. In my first marriage, before I found out that he cheated, I told my girlfriend, "I feel like he's going to cheat on me any day"...

Her reply?

"He already has. With me"...

I suspect Gloria knows that he's not all that respectful of women. She may not know that he's the monster he's accused of being, but I believe she knows something...

Originally posted by FallenWun
Here is where I am lost. Not many of you on ATS are so loyally defending Cain but the few of you that are share some odd overlap. I see many of you are the same people that spent a great deal of time complaining that our current president was not looked into enough, not vetted properly, not thoroughly investigated, and not well known enough. I guess that is all just team sports then?

I disagree, IF he has done these things, and/or has shown a habitual behavior there is no way I would ever vote for him. As for Obama, being a relatively young nobody with little experience who was vaulted to the role of presidency mainly due to the color of his skin bothered me more than his socialism ideals.

As for Cain, I see many of you have tried and convicted him already based on what? We have two woman who one of them says it was of little consequences and the other has basically accused him of sexual assault 14 years to late. This woman has had a somewhat checker past that makes it not too far of a stretch for her to do this for money or 15 minutes of fame. The rest of all this is still smoke and mirrors with the press pushing hard, dying to get more.

Is there more? Maybe. Could this all be blown out of proportion by the press and one woman with a habitual history of these types of accusations? Maybe too, but now I see posts of people starting to blame the RNC if no further evidence comes forward since he is already convicted in your eyes.

As of right now I think Allred has created a perfect accusation, for if her client just said "he put his hand on my leg and tried to kiss me" we all would have said "so what" and yawned. So she said "he grabbed me in the crotch and tried to force my head to his, but when I said NO he stopped and took me back to my hotel room". This paints the perfect picture of disgust for the man while adding in the "NO" to not push it too far that might open the door for official criminal charges that would most likely not go well for her client and open the door for reprisal suing from Cain.

I think he is done no matter what further comes out or not...

Job well done Allred....

reply to post by Indigo5

I have ended ..well, still thinking LVA is bunk, but understanding that it does likely measure stress and emotion. It is a fair indicator whether someone is uncomfortable or not in their speech. I think most practiced politicians would read "honest" on LVA as they are practiced public speakers, while any one of us would read "Deception" if tested in fron of a crowd of reporters and hot lights.

Bingo! I believe you narrowed the focus of this discussion to the root of the LVA software!
Imo, any invention can be "cracked". The one in charge of testing a person can quite possibly manipulate the results to favor their personal preferences too.
It's fascinating and frightening what T.J. Ward and Lynn M. Robbins, President, are selling to the world.

I haven't had the opportunity to look at Whaaa's (or BH's) links and posts but I know it will be fascinating to me. "Reading" voice, body language, handwriting (graphology), ect. captures my curiosity, it's titillating

For the time being, I need to continue in the search for actual users of the LVA software.

The above quote reminds me of an incident I wish I'd never experienced :lol;
Lets just say a couple of MP's knew just enough of the body language and eye movement to be dangerous. In the end the truth came out and I was just an experiment for bullies

I don't want to support the LVA if the operator can easily manipulate the results but so far, I haven't seen that and I doubt the operators will have time to influence our emotions before testing. Regardless, there should be a protocol or set of rules, even a law, to protect both the operator and the person being tested. For instance, both parties should not be permitted to speak to each other except while the testing is in progress.

I left messages with both LA County Sheriff's Office and Forsyth Co., Georgia Sheriff's Office a few days ago. Tomorrow will call them again if I don't hear from them today.
Just for kicks, I called my local Sheriff's Department and they said, ...huh?...lol.

I think it's up to Sharon Bialek to prove her accusations or she and her lawyer need to drop it. If, in fact, they have something up their sleeve, they should lay it out on the table. To tease and taunt the public, the media and Herman Cain will only serve to make them look like players.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
I think it's up to Sharon Bialek to prove her accusations...

How could she possibly prove that Cain touched her and said those things to her in private? I think the best that could be hoped for would be 4 women having a press conference and detailing their experiences. If they were willing to do that, I would believe them.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by sweetliberty
I think it's up to Sharon Bialek to prove her accusations...

How could she possibly prove that Cain touched her and said those things to her in private? I think the best that could be hoped for would be 4 women having a press conference and detailing their experiences. If they were willing to do that, I would believe them.

Gloria Allred and Sharon Bialek both waved (if I remember right) affidavits in the air that they alleged came from people who can verify Sharon mentioning Herman Cain was acting inappropriate towards her. (Paraphrasing).
The kicker is that Allred won't share the affidavits.
I can assume one of two things for this...
1.) The affidavits contain more information that Allred isn't ready to disclose
2.) The affidavits, one or both, contain information that probably holds no pertinent information such as... "I don't remember what Sharon said that night..".

If all four women agreed and held a press conference, I would make statements to their body language while they were speaking to leave doubt to their truthfulness, such as ... one was shaking their head no while speaking about a "yes" or "positive" recounting.
It's up to Allred to produce something real and concrete or their (G.A. and S.B.) going to look like whiny overly sensitive hormonal man-eaters.

I think the best that could be hoped for would be 4 women having a press conference...

Ladies and Gentlemen, (without something/anything more than here-say)... I present to you the official She-woman Man-haters Club.

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Whaaa, when permitted without interruption, I look forward to watching the video you posted, thanks.