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Topic started on 30-10-2011 @ 09:25 PM by Juran
Having spent the past two months pretty much alone in the wilderness during which time on several occasions survival looked unlikely I discovered that what I don't know is far more meaningful and critical than what I think I do know.

The Great Unknown teased me as though mocking the carnal knowledge my mind has processed and memorized over the years of living and learning.

We are bobbing corks upon a vast ocean and in the same way that the ocean accommodates the cork the great unknown accommodates us. We learn to roll one way or another, to float with the current or against, to steady ourselves, and we imagine that we have some degree of control when in reality our lives are forever at the mercy of that which we know nothing of. Human knowledge has increased exponentially over the past 50 years alone yet we only know what we think we know and when it comes to the great unknown we know nothing at all.

The best we can do is make things up We made up God/s and all manner of symbols and philosophies and values and morals which we hold dear. What works for us we use what doesn't we reject. What is working for us now might never have worked 100 years ago, we are forever making up stuff that will work for us now, not necessarily for the future.

The thing to understand is that its all bull#, that some of it is more credible than the rest therefor of some possible value to survival. The only thing that is not bull# is the great unknown.Everything that we 'know' is stuff that we have made up.

Therefor it is pointless to get your knickers into a tangle about the bull# you don't like. Ignore it and go with what appeals to you or make up your own. Or wipe it all away and contemplate the Great Unknown.




reply posted on 30-10-2011 @ 10:44 PM by intrptr
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I don't know about that.
Personally I prefer the beach to bobbing in the ocean.
From there I get a clear steady view of all the other bobbers.


reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 06:03 AM by novuslibertas
reply to post by Surfeit



Even if it means some people consider murder and rape their reality?

Giving people the freedom you talk about is like playing with fire. We are not ready for such freedom as of yet.
We are a collective bunch; maybe you are ready; but your neighbor is not.
edit on 31/10/11 by novuslibertas because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 07:25 PM by Juran
reply to post by mwood



I guess I got hit between the eyes by something that was real for a change.


reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 07:27 PM by Juran
reply to post by AlreadyGone



I feel that life is more about survival than it is about philosophy, you can't have the latter without the former.


reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 07:41 PM by Juran
reply to post by MrsBlonde



I left everything behind and I didn't want to ever go back to 'back there'. Yet I have come back, I am 'back here' and I ask myself why. All I can come up with is I am not the same person I was 2 months ago but even that is not true. If anything I have drawn closer to who I am as opposed to who I thought I was or thought I wanted to be.But what would I know? I am excited by the possibilities while being aware to the pitfalls of thinking I know anything,


reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:01 PM by Rocketman7
Well you know there was a time when people used to believe a lot of what we would call a lot of nonsense.

When the black death was in the southern states they used to fire cannons at night thinking that would help.

But thanks to Sir Francis Bacon and the Baconian method, for 89 bucks you can get a
Wikireader

or download a copy of Wikipedia from WIkipedia, its free, and install it on a lap top, except you will have a difficult time powering it in the wilds.

Clearly it is not all bs because we enjoy using our computers, and using all our wonderful toys. I got a ham radio in the mail today, as a for instance, and no way could I ever make one myself, but for little effort, I can afford to get one thanks to that knowledge base man has built up over the ages.

I will agree that things are not as they appear in this world, but it could be worse.

I should add this too because you know if you get Wikipedia in any form, it has no pictures. The database would be too large to store. Which means you will not be able to identify edible plants

There are a million ebooks for free at that link I just posted that you can use in an ereader. Right now its the great unkown, and you would never be able to read them all even if you got some software that reads pdf files to you in a female voice. But you can look things up if you have to.

Consider how much the earth has been studied in the last 200 years. Before that it was all a big mystery.
edit on 31-10-2011 by Rocketman7 because: added links




reply posted on 31-10-2011 @ 08:40 PM by purplemer
reply to post by Juran



Maybe we dont make things up.Maybe we make reality...




reply posted on 1-11-2011 @ 08:27 PM by Juran
Originally posted by purplemer
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post by Juran



Maybe we dont make things up.Maybe we make reality...



Yes we do make up reality and then we go on to create what we need to exist in that reality but of course we don't all work harmoniously together in doing this so contention and division ensure that we seldom if ever live in peace.
Yet in our bumbling imperfect human way we do all seem to be slowly, painfully, learning how to come together. This is a truth that can't be ignored and it is so incredible, so fantastic, that one wonders in awe at the majesty of ...of...well, of the Great Unknown.


reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 07:40 PM by Juran
Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
Yeah it is hard to know all there is about survival, its why I say take a back up hard copy
of the info with you when you head out.

Modern humans have lost most of their knowledge from their hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

In the right climate, soil type, and water availability survival is not too hard, but survival is not living.

Living is when your life has meaning beyond survival, and that is often hard to do when you spend all
your time and effort just trying to survive.

For food use trapping, learn wild edibles, for shelter know the temp is the same 3 ft down year round
outside the Arctic.

There is much much more of course, but the top of the line survival books cover it all.

This is also another reason why I say do not try it alone, no man is an island.

Doing something like this with someone you are friends with is a shared experience and
solo isolation has been known to drive ppl insane.

Good Luck !!!

I am only replying to this because I don't want it to be the last word on the thread. I did not spend all my time trying to survive, on the contrary I spent my time moving from one place to another and each night I spent under the stars in a different spot which was fantastic apart from the occasional mozzie attack. I went days without food except for an ample supply of strong, black, sweet, coffee which kept me going even though the energy I spent each day was extreme most days. I let the great unknown allow me to survive, I didn't need or want survival information from books or whatever. The point is, survival seemed unlikely on several occasions according to the limitations of my thinking process yet I did survive in spite of my lack of proper equipment or planning. Basically what I did was row a completely unsuitable 3.7 aluminum dinghy several hundred kilometers along a remote crocodile infested coastline without safeguards or preparation or information. I was at the mercy of extreme temperatures, a fickle wind, unpredictable currents, and crocodiles and I seldom came upon another soul except the occasional rednecks campers with their 4wheel drive vehicles who I generally stayed clear of. No man is an Island? Bull#!
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