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Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by Advantage
One of my relatives had a very painful and long death. Screaming agony. But I can't think of anything she did in her life to deserve that. So my conclusion is that there's no connection. People who like to make these loose connections are cherry picking for their own benefit. How so? Well, they're too afraid to accept death in its most basic form. So they must deny it.
It's sad to think that death is the end. This universe doesn't care for us. But in a weird way, it might be that death is pleasurable. Who knows? Maybe emotions or thoughts stream through our mind that don't normally. The physical manifestation that can be terrifying for others to witness, might be painful at first, but what happens after that? I don't think we know for sure. Perhaps in their final moments, after their heart stops, somehow, someway, the mind manages to think a couple beautiful thoughts before succumbing to lack of oxygen. Keep in mind, the blood still has oxygen even after the heart stops. For a few minutes, the brain can actually survive on it. But if the body remains in that state for more than several minutes, permanent damage occurs and recovery is not possible. A pleasurable death: it the best we can hope for.
Think of the hundreds of millions or billions that have died since the beginning. I bet most of them were babies since infant death was more common back then. All of our ancestors did this. So when we participate in this ceremony or process, it's anything but surprising or unexpected. It's the most normal thing we can do. Shouldn't that be comforting?edit on 31-10-2011 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by AceWombat04
I think you described my position on most things. I often will give others the impression that I have an opinion, but underneath the exterior, I have none, yet. I just don't know.
Originally posted by Lightrider
Many years ago (18) when my father was in the hospital after being revived from a heart attack, he developed pneumonia and congestive heart failure. It was only a matter of time. My two brothers and I were with him round the clock until toward the end and I remember him mentioning his 'dreams' while there of many people being in the room when there were only the four of us. Anyway, he had a heart monitor hooked up to the nurses' station. His nurse told my brother after he passed on that several times (amazing in itself), he had flatlined and when she rushed into his room he was in bed with his arms outstreatched with a smile on his face - and no heartbeat. She would tend to him as necessary and for some reason his heart would jumpstart again. He finally passed on within the week but not after several of of these incidents mentioned by his nurse. By several, I mean close to ten. Still amazes me though. Don't know why it was so many.
From personal experience, I have no doubt there is life after death. Our consciousness (spirit/soul) just continues on into a different and unseen realm. I have also participated many, many times in my husband's hobby of recording EVP's (electronic voice phenomenon). Been there many times when voices have responded to our conversations which we heard upon playing back. Some people can't handle it, some people even think we're playing a hoax, and others take it in stride as we do, as an interesting peek. What I believe we are hearing is but a mere slice of the dimentions/vibrations/lives/realities, whatever, that are out there.
This life is just part of our journey, that's all. As in Jobs' case and others mentioned here, some people get to see clearer through their spiritual eyes upon dying. They're spiritual eyes have taken over because they are in the middle of the shift. However, they still react and respond in their physical body.edit on 31-10-2011 by Lightrider because: (no reason given)
Unfortunately, I can't say the same for Mr. Jobs. I'm not here to judge anybody, but I think its clear to everyone that eternal investments weren't exactly in his list of prerogatives while on earth. I'm certain I would not have wanted to see what he saw...
Originally posted by Electrum
It is a bit depressing to see remarks by all of the cynical people. For those with open minds and spiritual inclinations, though, what Jobs said is right in line with what I've been studying in the work of Dr. Michael Newton. See this: www.youtube.com...
He's done over 20 years of work in the field of after-death states of being. This place is one of absolute peace and love and is not in any way punishing. When I saw what his sister said about Steve's last words I immediately thought of Dr. Newton's books and work. What Steve saw he recognized for what it is. Remember Steve had done psychomimetics and always talked about how it had changed him for the better. Steve's words raised the hair on my scalp I'll tell you that!edit on 10/31/11 by Electrum because: typos
Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
Originally posted by copperhead12
reply to post by schuyler
Here is another "Oh Wow" for you. My mother called me and said she was having a heart attack. I told her I would call 911 but before she hung up She said" O wow! I can see!! Is that you Alvin? I'm coming to you." My father, Alvin, had passed a few years before and my mother was almost totally blind.
Makes me wonder what Steve Jobs saw.
Upon the moment of death, the body loses 28 grams. Some have theorized this as being the "weight of the soul" but science has proven that at the moment of death the brain releases 28 grams of the checmical '___'. Almost a last hurrah if you will.