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OWS, Stay on the Street, going home is a trap.

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posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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Well, just what Gorbachev said alone about OWS is enough to indict it for me. Excellent find. I've been talking about the Un Agenda 21 for a long time, and Gorbachev has been in support of that agenda.



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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Thank You!!!

I agree with you, these people want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I would like to know when it became a crime to be rich in America. There are jobs out there, maybe they all don't pay $20 or $30 per hour that's just too bad. Stop being so damn lazy and earn a living. I work 50 to 60 hours a week to pay my bills but at least I don't sit around in a park. Oh and a lot of these protesters should check this out......www.life123.com...



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by kellerphoenix
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Thank You!!!

I agree with you, these people want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I would like to know when it became a crime to be rich in America. There are jobs out there, maybe they all don't pay $20 or $30 per hour that's just too bad. Stop being so damn lazy and earn a living. I work 50 to 60 hours a week to pay my bills but at least I don't sit around in a park. Oh and a lot of these protesters should check this out......www.life123.com...


I sincerely dedicate this youtoube video for you.

Occupy reality !!!
www.youtube.com...

Especially part starting 4:32


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posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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I was foolish enough to begin watching the video of this idiot. Well for about 15 seconds, maybe if he could make a point without using the "F word" three times a sentence I would listen to what he had to say. Thank you as well for making my point. Would you hire this idiot?



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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Ignorance is bliss huh ?



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by mastahunta
It brings misery on the good lot of us, and godlike prosperity for those who have
the money to play the game, this game is the trap, not good the people marching
or exercising their rights and freedom.


This system has brought me happiness, joy and a good life. When i look at how my life could be if i lived in countries like China, North Korea, Iran or more, it makes me even more grateful for what i have.

I dont want your revolution.



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

I think you have a grievous lack of understanding about actual protests. See, people who actually have a cause will stick it out. They see hardship as a challenge to overcome, rather than incentive to quit...What money?


Again...brave words. What you are saying is true of zealots, people who are extremely motivated by a certain belief or cause. They will stick things out, through thick or thin. The reality is, however, that the vast majority of people - even sympathizers with certain causes or movements - are not zealots. When it gets cold enough that their kids are crying and want to go home...or that their own toes begin to freeze...the vast majority will go home.

What money? The money that it takes to live. The money that one needs to eat...or to buy clothing...or to pay for shelter. When savings begin to dwindle...when the car payment, or the mortgage it going to be late...when the boss says you need to get back to work or you are fired.

Unless you are supposing that this is a movement of people who are prepared to become permanently homeless, and are prepared to starve to death...they will go back to their normal lives when their money begins to run out.

Only the already affluent (which would make them part of the "problem", right?) will be able to hang on indefinitely.


It... doesn't work that way. There are, by the nature of the system, fewer jobs than potential employees. Only in the most insane, booming-est economy will you ever see anything like 100% employment.

Swear to god, all you people frothing about "capitalism" could at least learn how markets work.


Interesting that you seem to think that I am unaware of how markets work. I am well aware of the fact that "full employment" is considered to be when unemployment is still at 4% to 5%...for a number of economic reasons which I will not bore the thread with. Numbers higher than that, like we are experiencing now (and not even factoring in the reality of widespread underemployment) are indicative of there being a problem in the economy.

No doubt. But the fact is that the vast majority of people who want to work can find a job. And for anyone with moxie enough, can make money engaged in a small business activity of some kind.


All human beings are entitled to a level of care - adequate food, housing, access to warmth and clean water. These things are "human rights." I understand that you may be like many on ATS who would rather just gun down the destitute and throw them in a trench...


Really? You, as a human being, are entitled to these things? You don't have to do anything but exist...and then these things must be handed to you? Who is it that is supposed to be handing out all of these freebies to you? Who is it that is responsible for giving you a house, and paying for your utility bills, and your clean water...and, I assume, your food, clothing and other "human rights"? Where, praytell, are all of these worldly things coming from?


...If you were able to yank your head from whatever warm, dank crevasse you have it stored in, you would understand...


Nice...civil...


I do have a job, actually. Since this job places other human beings under my care - even indirectly, in my particular case - I feel my obligation to them is higher than to my political urges. Maybe you're unfamiliar with that sort of thing, but there it is.


Got it. So you are speaking on behalf of the people who would shoulder the burden for these vehement beliefs...but, not actually you...because you have a job to do (and bills to pay no doubt). So you are actually part of the group that I say will go home when reality of one kind or another hits them...except that, you didn't actually go in the first place. Got it.



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Ahhh...another OWS thread where supporters of the movement are called commie socialist "pinko" Nazis that need to leave the US because practicing free speech is not allowed unless it is for the "Right" side.

What the hell is going on with ATS? This site used to dream of a movement such as OWS, regardless of political orientation, and now it seems everyone now bashes this new movement!

I have an idea:

OWS and their supporters need to put down any signs that may give the NEOcons a reason to think you are socialist.

Neocons, you need to put down the cheetos and Glenn Beck/Hannity Tea Party Budweiser coozy and walk your lazy-asses down to your local occupy. Talk to people before you label them. Inform yourself instead of waiting for the marching orders from your FoxNews masters.

I was skeptical at first, but I went to my local Occupy. I learned the truth and decided to join and assist in the cause.

So quit being lazy and calling OWS a bunch of predesignated ad hominum propaganda buzz words.



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Well I'm pretty happy and these protesters all seem really pissed off, whatever. Take it ez.



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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What about the more than 8 in 10 workers who never lost our jobs and are still doing fine? What about those with college degrees who still have a less than 4% unemployment rate?

You talking about the people who bought homes they could not afford and now wish to get the homes for free while the majority of us earn ours?

You talking about the union workers paid to protest who earn three or four times a normal salary?

We don't need anymore doom and gloom, I give up before I try garbage. The fact so many have thrown their hands up in the air is proof the schools have succeeded in brainwashing folks into giving up. Self-motivated people always survive and survive well in difficult times. You even aware it was worse than this in the early 1980's? Probably not.

Yes it's hard for young people joining the work force without a degree when there is high unemployment. That will always occur every two or three decades.

The problem is not with Capitalism and never was. The problems are caused by obstructions to Capitalism and always were. Wall Street is hardly the problem since everything they did is legal and not a crime. The problem is crooked executives in league with crooked people in Congress and the White House. Part of the reason the "Movement" is so tiny is most people know that. They know the protestors are protesting in the wrong place and seem to not know what they are protesting for exactly.

Please define what you are protesting against and include your solutions? Real, workable solutions I mean.

You one of the union people who are infesting the OWS and taking it over for Obama? You from MoveOn or an affiliated group? SEIU? If not, you taking money from them? Taking marching orders from them?



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posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by mastahunta
It brings misery on the good lot of us, and godlike prosperity for those who have
the money to play the game, this game is the trap, not good the people marching
or exercising their rights and freedom.


This system has brought me happiness, joy and a good life. When i look at how my life could be if i lived in countries like China, North Korea, Iran or more, it makes me even more grateful for what i have.

I dont want your revolution.


There are some people that are happy in China, North Korea, Iran and dont want a revolution. The system bring them happiness, joy and a good life.

So ????



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by freethinker123
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Hate to break it to you, but how can there be jobs everywhere if some 15% of people can't get one no matter how hard they try.


Really...no matter how hard they try? Yes, unemployment is higher than it should be...absolutely agree. But, anyone who really needs a job, and makes it their full time occupation to find one...will find one. I can just about guarantee that if you sit around at a OWS tent city for a few months, you will not find a job though.


And clearly there are not business opportunities everywhere because people are not spending money. In fact many businesses are struggling to keep their heads above water, so in your imaginary world we start up even more businesses and there will be jobs for everybody right? Thats not going to happen.


In my actual world, I run a number of successful businesses that are growing rapidly. People are spending enormous amounts of money on all kinds of things, all over the world. Of course many businesses are struggling right now...for many reasons. But, many businesses are fabulously successful right now too. The economy has not stopped...growth is flat, or slightly down.

And...in the actual world...yes when businesses start up and grow - they create jobs. Where is it you think jobs come from?


Stop believing that its not possible to improve the situation.


Who said it is not possible to improve the situation? Not me.


You might be happy with the system but its pretty childish to suggest that those that go to a protest are being paid to do so. Are you being paid to oppose the protest? Are you (or anybody else) at work and being paid by your employer whilst you are writing messages on ATS?


I am not completely happy with the system...and I think more regulation of the banking and investment industries is required...just like after 1929. As I would hate for you to think I am "childish", why not point out to me where I said that the people going to the protests are being paid to go...you can't actually so scratch that.

What you are probably referring to is my comment about the movement stopping when the money runs out. By that I meant when people need to get back to earning a living and surviving. I just do not believe the vast majority of the people currently attending these events are going to let their real lives go up in smoke.


Instead of going down this sick, cynical route...


Boy, sure is a lot of name calling going on with this "movement"



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by mobiusmale

And...in the actual world...yes when businesses start up and grow - they create jobs. Where is it you think jobs come from?
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Of comes from demand obviously. If no one buys your crap you go broke. Corporations are sitting on the money yet they are not hiring more people , perhaps they buy new equipment and thats it.

Beside earth in not magical tree that creates resources out of thin air. Infinite growth cant be sustained.
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posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 02:08 PM
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Lazy?!? (ok) I have a general question, how much money do you think Michael Moore is going to make from his documentary about this 'movement'? I saw him on CNN I think he was in Oakland. There are so many people that are or will be cashing in on this, I just have to laugh at the hypocrisy.



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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I find it strange how you against OCW are ragging on us for just wanting a handout and not having to work for it which couldn't be further from the truth. But if you are thinking clearly, isnt that what the banks got? From our tax dollars.

I am part of the occupy movement. And wheather you choose to support it or not It does affect you. I also can not believe that so many of you are against this, A couple months ago it was a common agreeable subject among the left and right that THE PEOPLE NEEDED TO RISE UP against this BS.

How some of you all of a sudden became content and accepting of the ridiculous Bail outs, bankruptcy, and just plain theivery that has occured is beyond me. The money used to bail these corperations out is mine and your tax dollars. Im not okay with that, our tax dollars should be going to schools, the nations infastructure, more important things.

Have you also forgot the minimal amount of taxes they have to pay. Why the hell should they get bailed out by us, yet we get so little in return? Corruption in the government allowing this crap to happen is the answer. And that is what I am against.

Many of my fellow hard working American citizens arent doing ok, I can't stand to see the working middle class get poorer and the rich get richer on the backs of people like them, they are taking more and more from us and we are getting less and less back for our hard work. Like many I am one paycheck away from a bad situation. I do not expect a hand out from the government. I expect fairness.

Hard working 20 Year old, employed, college graduate.



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by shogu666

Originally posted by Blaine91555
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Wall Street is hardly the problem since everything they did is legal and not a crime.


Pathetic.


Yes it is "pathetic" but it also is a fact. The real bad guys who sit in Ivory Towers in DC made it legal for them to do what they did. People like Barney Franks in fact forced the banks to make loans to people who could not pay them back. You can stay in denial about that and not wake up to the fact that it's all orchestrated if you wish. People hide behind ideologies when its convenient and they don't want to face truth.

Like I said, you want results learn your cause. As I keep saying I'm for OWS but its not organized and it is being taken over. It could have been a good thing, but once the Obama supporters took it over it became part of the problem. Until this is taken to DC and the heart of the problem inside the White House and Congress, it's all for nothing. Until people realize it's not a Right Left issue and that they are the same people, not much can happen to return us to what we have been. Until the doom and gloomers get motivated their lives will not improve. Until people realize the unions have been taken over they are in denial.



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by shogu666

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by mastahunta
It brings misery on the good lot of us, and godlike prosperity for those who have
the money to play the game, this game is the trap, not good the people marching
or exercising their rights and freedom.


This system has brought me happiness, joy and a good life. When i look at how my life could be if i lived in countries like China, North Korea, Iran or more, it makes me even more grateful for what i have.

I dont want your revolution.


There are some people that are happy in China, North Korea, Iran and dont want a revolution. The system bring them happiness, joy and a good life.

So ????



And it also brings them a draconian lack of freedom that we here in the West havent come close to experiencing.

Ill take my life here any day.




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