"Occupy" Is No Tea Party

President Obama this week compared the Tea Party to the Occupy Wall Street protests, telling ABC News’ Jake Tapper, “in some ways they’re not that different.” We beg to differ. The Tea Party and the protestors are almost exact opposites.

We understand that the President is in a dilemma. He sympathizes with the protesters because many if not most of their goals are also Mr. Obama’s. He thus wants to associate the Occupiers with the Tea Party, a movement that has resonated with the American people.

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Yes they are polar opposite's and yes the current Potus does sympathize with OWS while he mocked the TPM the creation of this thread was due to a conversation i had last night and today about the defining lines of the GOP and the Democrat's and the TPM and the most "Precious" OWS.

Never once did i see the current Potus or his party sympathize or embrace anything the TPM has to say hell even the GOP trembled in their boot's try as people try to lump the GOP and the TPM as being one in the same but ok yeah whatever let's say they are.

Now the Democrat's have embraced the OWS and their idealism which is the same rap they have been spewing forth on the American public for decades and feigning outrage now. There are clear differences for anyone to see even tho none will ever admit.

The reality of today is we have two not so new ideologies vying for control of this Countries Future it's heart and soul and it's wallet's and the most important thing it's head.

When people say they are Tea Partier's is there anyone screaming at the top of their voice's Constitution? No they are screaming we need a new one and a new Declaration of Independence and there is also talk about sucession from the union at Occupy DC.

People scream at me hey Neo stop lumping all of those Occupy all the same but they have had no problems lumping all those GOP and TPM as one in the same.

The Battle of ideology continues the fate of every American is at stake and God be with us because there is your fellow American plotting and conniving to do everything in their power wearing the Chez T-shirt's to make their vision of "social justice" which is something the Founders Never once ever talked about.

I don't see any pocket editions of the Constitution anywhere in any Occupy "movement" so that leads me back to where i first started. The "Precious" OWS is no TPM they are nothing but a bunch of posers.

Don't Tread on Me is one of the most famous slogan's of all time and there i see people waving that flag with no idea of what it means.

Do Not Tread on Me but they have no problems treading on others to get their own way.

Here is two videos:



This one is just for fun:



I report you decide and i decided that OWS is No Tea Party what say you ATS?

reply to post by neo96


Did it ever occur to you that Obama may be trying to pit them against each other, and kill two things he sees as problems at the same time? He's a smart man, stop looking at what he's saying and ask yourself, what will be the consequence of this statement? The answer to that, is what you're writing right now. Don't let the shepherd herd you.

Originally posted by neo96
DoI report you decide and i decided that OWS is No Tea Party what say you ATS?

I'd say the the Tea Party started out as a grass-roots response to what was perceived as a failure of government to represent their interests, bowing instead to lobbyists and Big Dough. Perceived of course, through the lens of the right. Before it was co-opted by the forces it eschewed in the first place.

OWS is a similar reaction from the left, and hopefully it avoids being corrupted and turned into astroturf.

I also know from experience that nothing corrodes a movement like having money thrown at it.

Funny how the Tea Party first formed to protest those bailouts...until they were bought buy Wall Street and corporate America (aka Koch brothers). Nowadays, they completely left their initial ideals behind and just repeat whatever talking point people like Palin shove down their throats.

At least OWS took over where the TP miserably failed

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


The Tea Party only became the Republican shell-party if you will because of the Tea Party Express. The Tea Party it's self is still a grass roots movement, and there are many different groups under that name with many beliefs and goals. But the Tea Party Express, before it even took off, before it was .. anything at all really, was all the MSM ever talked about. They basically made those lawyers that started the TPE to be spokespersons for the entire movement, when in fact they embodied the very things the TP was against.

If the Dems are smart, and I'm sure they are, they will not try and hijack a group, but instead create a whole new one, plaster the name Occupy on it, and hijack the entire movement most likely using the power, force and money of the Unions. It took the GOP a long time to come up with a solution to the Tea Party disaster .. the TP in 2008 actually helped the Dems by voting against Republicans on purpose (which is exactly what I did in 2008 too, just to prove a point). The Dems will likely hi jack, with the aid of the Unions, the occupy movement within a few months.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by neo96
DoI report you decide and i decided that OWS is No Tea Party what say you ATS?

I'd say the the Tea Party started out as a grass-roots response to what was perceived as a failure of government to represent their interests, bowing instead to lobbyists and Big Dough. Perceived of course, through the lens of the right. Before it was co-opted by the forces it eschewed in the first place.

OWS is a similar reaction from the left, and hopefully it avoids being corrupted and turned into astroturf.

I also know from experience that nothing corrodes a movement like having money thrown at it.

Good post Johnny, I agree with your assessment.

I suppose I don't have to post that now, since you did it so well.

reply to post by neo96


Neo!! Great OP!! S&F

The fundamental differences between OWS and the Tea Party are obvious and numerous. I’ve argued in so many posts about this subject that I can’t bring myself to throw it all down here again. The #1 difference though is belief in the constitution - Tea Party has it…OWS doesn’t!

I’m tired of hearing how the Tea Party has been TAKEN OVER by the right wing. It’s the opposite!! The Tea Party is TAKING OVER the right wing. We want limited government, adherence to the constitution, rule of law, capitalism, freedom, etc. On the flip side, the extreme radicals of OWS are taking over the left wing. Even though Obummer (the radical community organizer) started this he might not be radical enough for them and the democrat party definitely isn’t following suit. OWS is comprised of communist/Marxist/uber liberals who want total government control and total dependence on government.

Despite what the MSM says, the Tea Party is alive and well. And we’ve put many people into political office. We are doing it the constitutional way. IMHO OWS wants to incite violence and gather people for a complete takeover of the country. They want to throw out the constitution because it blocks their moves.

Make no mistake; people are choosing sides as we speak. The OWS movement may likely be the catalyst that throws our country into the next civil war. I know what side I’m on. I’m an Oath Keeper. I and many, many others will defend the constitution to the death. I hope the other side is not as committed as we are. I’ve taken that oath and I will die defending the constitution. I don’t think the majority of the people instigating the inevitable outcome OWS violence will bring have clue what they’re getting into. Wake up people!! We share a common enemy but our solutions divide us. Do some home work. Trading one collectivist system for another isn’t the answer!!

Originally posted by MrXYZ
Funny how the Tea Party first formed to protest those bailouts...until they were bought buy Wall Street and corporate America (aka Koch brothers). Nowadays, they completely left their initial ideals behind and just repeat whatever talking point people like Palin shove down their throats.

At least OWS took over where the TP miserably failed

A lot of the same people who were part of the TP are also part of Occupy.

It's just a bunch of random people who want to be part of something and help shift the course our nation is on.

The Tea Party didn't really change anything though, taxes and all of that are still the same. I have the same fears about this more recent protest initiative, and that it will be used by the media and political groups and twisted into a bunch of meaningless gibberish.

Originally posted by neo96

I don't see any pocket editions of the Constitution anywhere in any Occupy "movement" so that leads me back to where i first started. The "Precious" OWS is no TPM they are nothing but a bunch of posers.

Sorry but I think you are being brainwashed right in front of my eyes.

I just saw video of guys handing out pocket Constitutions and talking about Liberty just yesterday.

You are cherry picking here and then taking the worst cherry and saying the whole orchard is this bad.

"Occupy" is like anonymous, anyone can do it. It's just a general protest against corruption.

I am getting really tired of dealing with this blatant propaganda trying to say that a few people's views equals the entire movement of millions of different people all with their own individual needs and grievances.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by neo96

I don't see any pocket editions of the Constitution anywhere in any Occupy "movement" so that leads me back to where i first started. The "Precious" OWS is no TPM they are nothing but a bunch of posers.

Sorry but I think you are being brainwashed right in front of my eyes.

I just saw video of guys handing out pocket Constitutions and talking about Liberty just yesterday.

I'm absolutely certain OWS members are handing out pocket Constitutions and talking about liberty. I 100% believe that. The problem here is that a disturbing number of them think that it's unconstitutional to not have free health care, or jobs, or a house, or free college educations. They think their liberties are being infringed upon because the government isn't providing solutions for every little petty grievance they have.

Sorry, but that ain't the way our government works. As well it shouldn't.

/TOA

reply to post by The Old American


I posted this in another thread,but I believe this also makes both groups FUNDAMENTALLY different.............

These protesters NEED to understand what THEY want. Whats the ENDS that justify the means? Anarchy? Regime Change? Collapse of an entire Financial system? A new political movement? What then?

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I am getting really tired of dealing with this blatant propaganda

Who will get tired 1st? I heard someone has enough energy for a civil war. We should probably all go the right route before we get hurt.

Originally posted by muzzleflash


I am getting really tired of dealing with this blatant propaganda trying to say that a few people's views equals the entire movement of millions of different people all with their own individual needs and grievances.

I am really tired when you tell these protesters that there are MANY members in the protests that want anarchy and violence,want pure socialism,redistribution of wealth etc...............they say its a small few. I don't believe that. I believe you can protest,but if you don't know what you are protesting for,don't even go. If your going to protest for these changes,I want no part of it,hence I wait for a righteous cause,that's going to the steps of the capital,a Million or more people strong. Bottom line people are pi$$ed. But whats next? If they think being overridden in debt,and "eating the rich" is going to get them out of it,God help them.

reply to post by The Old American


I agree, and what makes it worse is that the corporations are behind that brainwashed mentality.

The pharmaceutical - medical corporations can charge 10x as much for their products/services, and will make 10x as many sales, if everyone can just go get every medical procedure done all the time.

It allows them to raise prices and increase sales. It's all a big scam!
Hey if the govt is for sure going to foot the bill, let's charge more for it!

They are brainwashed by propaganda obviously.

What was the old saying again?
"When the people realize they can vote themselves money, it will be the end of the Republic."

I fully support Free Market Economics.
My ideal system is Laissez-faire based.

In a truely free economy, we wouldn't be suffering from most of these problems in the first place you know?

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by The Old American

 

I posted this in another thread,but I believe this also makes both groups FUNDAMENTALLY different.............

These protesters NEED to understand what THEY want. Whats the ENDS that justify the means? Anarchy? Regime Change? Collapse of an entire Financial system? A new political movement? What then?

This is my biggest problem with OWS!! They want to replace corporatism with communism/socialism. Both are collectivist systems - the “haves” impose their rule on the “have-nots.” I don’t get why the group that thinks they’re so damn smart (OWS) can’t see the error in their ways. Ron Paul (as much as I personally hate his foreign policy) has it right….it’s the Federal Reserve, TPTB, the elites, the neo-cons, etc, that are destroying things in America. Quit blaming the cops and Wall Street!! They are doing what they’ve been instructed and allowed to do. It’s not Free Market Capitalism that’s destroying the country; it’s the corrupt government that facilitates the corruption!!!! If the government would do what we send them to do we wouldn’t have the problems we have now!!! That’s why the Tea Party is sending people to Washington. Don’t be discouraged because the positive change we all want hasn’t happened yet…look at the numbers!! The Tea Party is still taking over the Republican Party! The Tea Party does not control the RNC yet!! Positive change will be here in 2012. The Tea Party turned the tide after the midterms with just a small shift in power. It’ll be a different congress (and White House) in 2012. The change we NEED is coming, and it isn’t from OWS!!!

Originally posted by sonnny1
But whats next? If they think being overridden in debt,and "eating the rich" is going to get them out of it,God help them.

I agree they are kind of aimless.

Eating the rich only helps temporarily, then we go hungry again.

A better bet would be to embrace true freedom and eliminate government interference in our lives as much as possible.

This way we would be free to grow our own food or visit local farmers in order to find sustenance. It's highly renewable and sustainable as well.

Nothing upsets me more than people who want global government, global taxes, increased taxes etc.
We need the opposite.
Power needs to concentrate locally and we need to eliminate most tax programs.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Power needs to concentrate locally and we need to eliminate most tax programs.

There lies the problem. When the majority has a voice,it almost becomes a drone of sound,almost unrecognizable,especially at these protests. No clear agenda is going to kill this movement. A clear agenda of bigger government? That will kill it. Anarchy? Dead. Socialism? Come on. Dragging Bankers out into the streets? Mob Justice? What would come of that?

I asked some supporters of OWS how many are protesting in America. Their response was its a global phenomena. I cant even get a clear picture on how many people are going to these things. I know its not in the millions. Few thousand here or there. I also asked about the violence that's occurring. In unison,its the "polices fault"or its paid shills to do the bidding,and make the protesters look bad. Heres a perfect example of typical protesters. Seriously watch it. Can you say this man didnt ask the right questions? Can you say he didnt have the right answers?

reply to post by seabag


Still on the fence with the Tea Party,although Its purpose of non-violent,non-aggression getting politicians to hear their voice is spot on. Go to DC,not Wall Street is the way to go.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
Funny how the Tea Party first formed to protest those bailouts...until they were bought buy Wall Street and corporate America (aka Koch brothers). Nowadays, they completely left their initial ideals behind and just repeat whatever talking point people like Palin shove down their throats.

At least OWS took over where the TP miserably failed

Tea Party formed to protest the baillouts, the socialist rhetoric of Obama and his groupies, and everything else obama stands for. Tea Party opposes Obamas socialist and eugenic czars, the communist sympathizers talking about "green jobs" but stand for pillaging industry to "save the planet", socialist health care, etc.

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by seabag

 

Still on the fence with the Tea Party,although Its purpose of non-violent,non-aggression getting politicians to hear their voice is spot on. Go to DC,not Wall Street is the way to go.

Why do you keep on repeating this nonsense when it's clear that politicians are mere sock puppets of Wall Street? Do you prefer talking to puppets instead of facing the puppet master? Really?