Boy Assaults Student as Cellphone Captures Attack

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Nurv47

 

I don't think the reason is important at all. Assault is assault, no matter if it was done because you were gay, or done because you talk funny. Still assault, and should carry the same weight.

No one should have more protection under the law, for any reason.

edit on Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:42:30 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

HEAR HEAR! YOU GOT MY VOTE!!!!! So why doesn't anyone see that stuff is just useless pandering when you put a label on it like gay bashing or black hate crimes... Its all hate or else nobody would be assaulting anybody.Its just simple assault and battery. Assault is the threatening to use force and battery is the actual use of force.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
Bullying has been around since the dawn of time on all levels. I hate when people try using the excuse its because they were gay! I got bullied and beaten regularly in the 80s because I had buck teeth. Nothing new here, but sad none the less whenever it happens imo.

I am calling my represenative so they can write another law banning buck tooth hate crimes LOL sorry I had to throw that in there! Please forgive me but this is what I am trying to insinuate to people, Assault and battery is assault and battery regardless of the reason it happened.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by drew1749

 

I agree on that as well, cool, we agree

I would always defend myself no matter whatthough personally

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by drew1749

 

If you got violently assaulted for your wallet, wouldn't you want the law to come down just as hard as someone that got violently assaulted for being gay? That is really the point I want to make about the whole thing. It really shouldn't matter why, the end result is still the same, someone got the crap kicked out of them.

Well I agree. That's what I started my OP with. lol

That was my whole point. I'm enjoying the discussion though. Back to the main thing I asked about though what can we do to fix it (other than violence. I mean in the eyes of the law. What kind of law can we pass to fix bullying to a certain degree?)

reply to post by drew1749


Motive doesn't matter really as far as being guilty or innocent. Motive can increase the charge to a hate crime though with worse penalties.

Well I'm torn on this issue. As I've been saying I don't think it's wrong to fight back against someone older than you or bigger than you (or your own age). I do think it's wrong to fight someone younger than you though.

Any younger student bully that gives an older student grief deserves to have the crap beat out of them. Just saying it like it is.

Originally posted by agentblue

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Nurv47

 

I don't think the reason is important at all. Assault is assault, no matter if it was done because you were gay, or done because you talk funny. Still assault, and should carry the same weight.

No one should have more protection under the law, for any reason.

edit on Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:42:30 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

HEAR HEAR! YOU GOT MY VOTE!!!!!

So why doesn't anyone see that stuff is just useless pandering when you put a label on it like gay bashing or black hate crimes... Its all hate or else nobody would be assaulting anybody

.Its just simple assault and battery. Assault is the threatening to use force and battery is the actual use of force.

The difference is that hate crimes have a more far reaching effect, affecting those that are a member of the attacked group. How do you think constant hate crimes against blacks in the past affected their communities? Not for the better.

reply to post by Turq1


lol I think I applied my knowledge rather well considering I'm making an 82 in that class.

But yeah thanks for the correction. Always good to learn more.

reply to post by drew1749


Laws are not really the answer IMO. More laws just mean more criminalization, which just feeds the greed of the for profit "justice" system. I think the answer is more parenting education, parents simply do not know how to raise their children, and expect the TV and school to do it for them. It also has to do with the economy believe it or not, if you notice most households out there, both parents have to work, leaving no one left to raise the kids anymore. It's a tough thing, and not one thing is going to solve it unfortunately.

reply to post by drew1749


It might just be my own personal opinion. I feel particularly sorry for homosexuals myself.. As the few gay friends I've had.. Never had an easy time about being gay. They receive all sorts of irrational hate, mostly from the people who shouldn't be hating them.

But you make a fair point.. Bullying is still bullying. It shouldn't be done. Hopefully these kids parents don't find his behavior acceptable.. But from what I can see there's plenty of homophobes in this world.

reply to post by Miraj


There is plenty on ATS sadly. I'm sure it will pass. It's a phase in human existence. We'll get over it. Hopefully this century.

I do agree that they're mistreated. One of my friends who I talk to quiet often doesn't like them and I can't even reason with him that these are people too and that he's stupid for feeling this way. I mean I understand not liking people who act creepy but not liking them because of something this stupid is insane to me.

Someone who I respected (a friend of my friends older brother) growing up ended up being gay. Didn't change how I look at him. I think people need a experience like that. If you look up to someone and they end up being gay...would that change your view point about them? To me it wouldn't.

reply to post by TKDRL


Well how do you get parents who don't care to care? It's impossible. I'd rather have someone in the public care than nobody at all. You know?

Well it sounds like he'll be criminally charged in which case he'll be spending time in Juvy more than likely. Sort of a shame that it has to come to that.

That child took it way to far and i'm surprised no body stepped in. They say everybody thinks someone else is going to be the person to intervene and no one ever ends up doing it. Its time for YOU to stand up when you see acts like this happen, not the person standing next to you.

If the Media keeps pushing this "victim mentality" people will eventually give in to the demands of those who want Hate crime legislation passed.
I got beat up in school too, for being a pacifist who refused to fight someone.
I'm not gay, so why should someone who is gay be given special consideration if they are assaulted but not me?
Would that be equal representation under the law?

Given the exposure to violence our children get everyday on tv, games and movies is it any wonder some of them actually try it?
As for why nobody stepped in maybe it's because we're a nation of spectators, people who are often powerless to control events around them and suddenly a situation happens where action needs to be taken. Yet another mindset brought to our youth courtesy of the educational system and culture in general. Half the OWS protesters are carrying video cameras, are they protesting or just recording events around them? Even our technology is contributing to our demise.

Personally I think that the school should have done what the parents should have done a long time ago and take the bully out back and wear his @$$ out with a paddle.
When the idea for disciplining your kids went from a spanking to a "time out" is when a lot of the problems started with kids telling the parents what to do. They have no real consiquences for thier actions anymore, so they act out in any manner that suits them. I believe the one committing the assault should see the inside of a jail cell for a couple of nights instead of given a 3 day vacation from school. He would get a lot more out of it that way.

reply to post by drew1749


How can we pass a law to fix this? The law(s) regarding this type of animalistic behavior already exist, because you said youirself that you hope the perpetrator is brought up on charges. It is times like this that I have no problem with a kid bringing a gun to school. If the gay kid would have shot the other kid I wouldn't have a problem with it... I HATE bullies.

Why didn't the kid fight back?

I chalk this bullying issue down to lack of good parenting. Parents of bullies aren't teaching their children enough discipline and parents of the victims aren't teaching theirs to have a strong will.

Just stuffing them with Ritalin and McD's cheeseburgers, occasionally yelling at the when they do something inconvenient isn't a form of parenting, its a form of neglect.

reply to post by drew1749


This is not bullying, its plain old assault and there is a simple solution. Arrest the kid and lock him up, period, end of story. Kick him out of school, throw him in jail and let him channel his violence against the big boys there.

I'm sure the "oh but he's a child" or "we already have too many people in jail" comments. Who cares how old this animal is. He's a violent offender and should be removed from society. Will that ruin his life? Who cares? This kid is walking around with so much rage that his life is not going to turn out to be much in any event.

The characteristics of the kid attacked is immaterial. If he attacked the captain of the Football team, straight A student, dating the prettiest girl in school, richest kid in school kid, he should suffer the same fate. It is a black and white issue. Violence should never be tolerated, nor should we waste an ounce of energy attempting to explain it away.

reply to post by agentblue

That bully probably faps to gay porn at night and
hates himself for liking it, hence all the anger.
Textbook example of a closet gay.

Having looked at the video and the article, the following can be stated, and please forgive me if this sounds indifferent, but please bear with me on this one.

What makes this so different from any other case of one student getting beaten up at school than another? What makes this so newsworthy as that it should be on the news?

Bullying is a fact of life, many people growing up have either seen, been victims or have been the bully. We must deal with such, as it teaches a lesson, that some people should be pitied, and in this case it is the bully. We can not say that this is any different than any other crime that is being committed, by the youth of this country and is really nothing more than a statistic to be used in the various fights and claims that will come up. Gay rights advocates will point to this and say see gay teens go through more of these kinds of crimes than those who are straight. Other advocates, for being against bullying will point out the same and that such needs to stop.

The question needs to be asked what is the school going to do about this, and how will it affect the student who committed the act of assault and battery? After all the injuries were serious, and there should be a consequence to his actions. Will he be tried as an adult, or will he get a slap on the hand and told not to do such again and will the suspension do any good to teach him a lesson? Those are the kinds of questions that need to be answered.

The other question and this is more relevant, is why did no one do anything to stop or even try to help the student getting beaten? After all take away the fact that one student is gay and the other student is not, take all of that out, why did the other students do nothing and watch one person get beaten up instead of acting or taking action? That I believe should be more disturbing than anything else, as they could have done something, anything, there were others there that could have acted, and yet did nothing. That is a real shame of it all, that no one did nothing, or lift a hand to stop, beyond taking a video with a cell phone. More and more occurrences like these are showing up, and have been showing up, where one aggressor takes on a victim and those around do nothing. That is what we should be more concerned about, that alone is the disturbing thought, that we as a society are so emotionally devoid of doing the correct things, that it is something to ponder and wonder why no one did nothing. And where were the teachers? Those 2 questions should first be answered, and then go from there.

reply to post by sdcigarpig


Agreed, the fact that nobody rushed to this kid's aid is disturbing. It stems from the fact that in the vast majority of these cases, the violent kid simply gets a slap on the wrist and is back in class and defending the kid puts the defender in that violent animal's crosshairs. The kid should be removed at minimum from school and ideally from society and placed into jail. Were that the normal outcome, I believe that more kids would rush to defend others.

Secondly, it is very common for those who defend to be treated equally with the person who was initially violent. They are also disciplined, marks on their school records, suspended, what ever. In a reasonable world, a bunch of kids would jump on this low-life and give him the beating of his life. He would then be sent to jail and the kids who beat him up would be celebrated as heros.

I'm sorry, but maybe someone can help me out here.

I read the article, and I watched the video of the incident. Nowhere in the article, or in the video does it prove the kid was beaten because he was gay. Everyone is just assuming that. The kid gets beat up, then rushes to say it's because he was gay? Prove it, I say.

They go on to say that, "Someone commented on my Facebook page calling me a f*ggot". Okay? This proves it was a hate crime how? Because someone else unrelated to the incident at all, made a brash comment on his Facebook?

How do we know these two didn't simply have a quarrel? Maybe it really was unrelated to him being gay. Unless it's proven, then I'm not standing for this being a "hate crime", no thanks. I'm not defending the attacker, but I see absolutely ZERO evidence of this being a hate crime.

So, hypothetically, if a straight man, and a gay man get into a fight provoked by both sides, could the gay man instigate it as a hate crime, "just because"? Is being gay a protected class now?

Everyone keeps making so many assumptions. This kid, while he is the victim of a rather brutal one-sided fight, is somehow 'infallible' and should be in some state of societal 'protection'. People are saying that it was despicable that no one "rushed to his aid", so you all immediately assume that everyone in the classroom is "anti-gay" or hateful. Right. Has anyone ever considered that maybe no one likes this kid, regardless of his sexual preference? I've seen this 100 times. Everyone here seems to forget how teenage life was like.