OWS: Pointing the finger at themselves

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

As far as the OP is concerned......its been abundantly clear that the OWS movement is supported financially by many questionable people and organizations.....

It's abundantly clear that the corrupt wallstreet bankers are also supported by many questionable people and organisations. It's clear that there is a massive wealth disparity caused by some of these questionable "rascals".

But fair enough, if people want to boycott OWS as whole due to a few supporting groups that they dislike, then they can shoot themselves in the foot.....Again, it's a pathetic school child argument of "stupid kid likes political group "X" Therefore political group "X" is bad"

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by beezzer

 

But you have never addressed the fact that OWS has not endorsed these groups. Anyone can claim to endorse OWS. ANYONE.

If your claims are true why hasn't OWS endorsed them?

It isn't just a few people or even a few groups.....they are overwhelmingly leftist, Democrat, Acorn, Union, Communist, Socialist, entitlement minded, anti corporate, anti capitalist, pro cannabis, Nazi party,Soros affiliated, the list goes on. Tell me now why all these groups support OWS and not Tea Party?

reply to post by sheepslayer247
That's the point though. This so-called "leaderless" campaign actually has leaders, managers, organizers. They, in turn, are working with these groups (I forgot Van Jones as well) that have close ties to unions, White House, ad nauseum.

This, I was told, was an apolitical movement.

And to that I say bull-cookies. There is an agenda. There is a theme. An under current that is propelling this movement into very foul political waters.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by NeverForget
reply to post by thehoneycomb

 

Has quite the opposite effect, though; I find such mindless patriotism amusing.

GO USA! HurrDurr.

In my view, that is why you have already submitted to the Globalist One World Govt.

A true patriot is always suspicious of their goverment, the goverment is there to serve the people, not vise versa.

"GO USA" is just mindless, ignorant, submissive babble.

In the words of Bertrant Russell:

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

And there's nothing wrong with a one world goverment, and you can still retain sovereignty with such a government in place.

But with the above said, you probably think i'm part of the spooky "NWO"

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Tell me now why all these groups support OWS and not Tea Party?

They disagree with them. It's a valid question and deserves to be asked. I think that it's just disingenuous to discredit the movement because of the people that are trying to co-opt it.

By the way, OWS is more popular among Americans than the TP in recent polls. Are the American people just pot smoking socialist Nazis?

reply to post by beezzer


Ok, so then who are the leaders? Who is organizing this protest and telling the masses where to go, what to do and what to say?

Please provide us with some solid proof, not just a list of people that endorse it.

Has Van Jones been spotted using the people's mic to organize a march?

Which union leaders are down on WS instructing the protesters on how to make effective signs?

Where is the Accorn hospitality tent located?

I am open to the possibility that OWS may very well be co-opted, but I need to see some real proof....not just idle speculation.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

By the way, OWS is more popular among Americans than the TP in recent polls. Are the American people just pot smoking socialist Nazis?

Actually that's a good question. May I take a stab at answering?

OWS wants.
They want to stop greed, corruption, a class warfare approach to balancing the books. They want redistribution of wealth. They want free money. They want *cough* social justice.

The Tea Party wants also. But they want smaller government, more personal responsiobility, the end to the nanny state. People don't like to hear that they have to take care of themselves. People may have to grow up and start taking care of themselves.

Just my humble take on this question.

reply to post by sheepslayer247
The one I could find was a Van Jones/MoveOndotcom recruitment video for OWS.
www.theblaze.com... et-protesters-are-saving-the-country-with-their-moral-clarity/

reply to post by beezzer


Fair enough. Now please provide proof that OWS specifically advocates this video and has something to actually do with it.

Did they ask VJ and moveon.com to make this video in their behalf?

reply to post by beezzer

OWS wants.
They want to stop greed

Not free money, not any of the other nonsense your harping on about. Just an end to corporate greed. They don't even want an end to to the free market capitalist system. Of course, some of those supporting and protesting at OWS do want to end the monetary system, many wish for a resource based economy, as Jacque Fresco has suggested. But that is an entirely different subject alltogether, and doesn't diminish to overall message of OWS; corporate greed must end, the disparity of wealth must be narrowed.

reply to post by sheepslayer247
I can't. I don't have copies of Van Jones personal documents. I am not privy to Obama's email. I have no inside source to Moveondotcom, ACORN, socialist party, et al.

All I have is circumstantial evidence. Based on what they have stated.

Based on this circumstantial evidence, I have reason to believe that despite what they (OWS) say, it is a political movement with close ties to the progressive left.

Mea Culpa for not providing LLC's, issues of ownership, secret communicae, and tape recordings of private meetings.

reply to post by beezzer

Based on what they have stated.

Let's be perfectly clear. It's based on what a FEW have said. It is not the consensus of the group as a whole and is not advocated by the group as a whole, but you are equating these FEW statements as the entire groups beliefs and ideologies.

Mea Culpa for not providing LLC's, issues of ownership, secret communicae, and tape recordings of private meetings.

That's ok Beezer. I'll forgive you for using circumstantial so-called evidence to make a blanket statement about a group of Americans who are simply using their right to free speech. Live and let live, as they say.

reply to post by sheepslayer247
If I were to peruse your past posts, would I find dispariging remarks about the Tea Party?
I only ask beacause I'd hate to find that you didn't hold to the self-same standards.

OOOPS

That I can agree with. Sadly, the public manifestation of the small town "tea parties" is rooted in Fox News and the hardcore religious/big business.

You never provided proof, ie; emails, documentation, literature to verify this. But I guess it's okay. I mean, you can't expect to hold yourself to the same standards that you apply to others.

reply to post by beezzer

If I were to peruse your past posts, would I find dispariging remarks about the Tea Party?

Yes you would. The TP was a wonderful grass-roots movement group that I fully endorsed until, unlike the OWS movement, were co-opted by the Republican Party and FoxNews to perpetuate their political agenda.

FoxNews and the Republicans sponsored, funded and overtook the movement. Ever heard of the FoxNews/Glenn Beck tax-day Tea Party?

I've yet to hear about the MSNBC OWS protest rally.

See the difference?

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by beezzer

 

If I were to peruse your past posts, would I find dispariging remarks about the Tea Party?

Yes you would. The TP was a wonderful grass-roots movement group that I fully endorsed until, unlike the OWS movement, were co-opted by the Republican Party and FoxNews to perpetuate their political agenda.

FoxNews and the Republicans sponsored, funded and overtook the movement. Ever heard of the FoxNews/Glenn Beck tax-day Tea Party?

I've yet to hear about the MSNBC OWS protest rally.

See the difference?

Actually no. And I would at least hold you to the same standards that you would apply to me and please provide documentation and background (since I am a Tea Party member) that I have been co-opted.

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OWS: Pointing the finger at themselves

Please post about it and stop pointing fingers at other members.


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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
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No problem since you've validated my point that it is a progressive movement. You can apply a bias to the Tea Party but cannot hold the same values towards the OWS movement. This isn't against you as much as it is against the hypocracy that is the OWS movement.
Semantics aside, the OWS movement is against issues that support it.
Hence the finger pointing at themselves and the gross double standard that IS standard for the progressive left/OWS.

reply to post by beezzer


Well, it's unfortunate that we do not have my previous post to put my comments into perspective. Oh well.

I still maintain that I will hold OWS to the same criticism as the TP when they are taken over and organised by the Lefty progressives. Until that time I will support OWS.

It's been fun but I can see that any more comments on our current line of discussion will only derail the thread.

Good day Beezer and thanks for the discussion.