OWS: It's not anti-capitalism, it's anti-greed, page 5

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reply posted on 1-11-2011 @ 12:07 PM by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by Jason88

What is greed? What is excessive? Who makes the determination? How much money is too much money? How do you give money to someone who has not initiative, will not work? Who confiscates money and distributes it to the lazy? Why is it moral to do so?

Are you incapable of answering these questions, so you want OTHERS to answer them FOR YOU?

History is full of lessons my friend and the dictionary is full of definitions. Do not cherry pick what you like and disregard everything else because it shows you have an agenda. The agenda of socialism is communism according to me and fox news because they say so and I agree.

See what I mean? You are not interested in negotiating a price, you are here to rewrite history according to the libertarian way. It is called the contract on america which bill clinton famously coined on the part of the republicans.

Go ahead and prove me wrong. I dare you! Explain what rich is, what the tax rate should be IF ANY, who should collect the taxes IF NOT government, wtf government is, why people are scarred #less by it ONLY IN AMERICA, etc.

reply posted on 1-11-2011 @ 12:45 PM by Jason88

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by Jason88

Some self-serving notion of being against greed is not only overly simplistic, but the same lever that Mao and Stalin used to gain power the maintenance of which cost tens of millions of people their lives.

On that notion, I'll stand behind the three most powerful religions in the world, Christianity, Judaism and Islam. All three recognized many thousands of years ago it's the GREED that kills man and puts others into many forms of slavery.

Following that notion, anyone who believes they are anything other than a Sunday morning Christian (I'm profiling US conservatives here because generalizations do work - wink wink) needs to get their head examined if they support greed. Capitalism I'm all for, just not the greed.

Some say you cannot separate the two. I disagree, but it's not the masses that can fix it, only the people in charge. They need to decide if they're sick and what they'll do about it. (If you read my earlier posts, I'm even in support of billionaires, the ones who create industries and employ thousands of people - such as the late Steve Jobs. People complain he wasn't philanthropic enough. I say who cares. He employed over 60,000 people).

Greed is the sickness inside capitalism. It's the morality, the ethics that those in-charge lack that is killing us all. Even if you're happily middle class, or rich, you are not someone with generational wealth so others in your family and possibly your offspring will suffer from the dwindling resources that the elite, or 1%, are greedily hoarding.

This OWS movement continues to need further message refinement if they're to succeed.

One last point about politics and how some posters treat the subject. This ain't Monday night football, you should not be rooting for your team to win. We all lose under a two party system. And that's coming from a Blue Dog Democrat, with a great job, who should be happy.

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reply posted on 1-11-2011 @ 01:14 PM by dolphinfan

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

I think you misunderstood me. I don't believe that these questions have answers and that it is when government seeks to answer them we begin down the slope to communism.

It is nobody's business how much money has to the extent that they accumulated it legally - and yes, it can be accumulated legally and more often than not is.

People need to be concerned with their own affairs, rather than the affairs of others

reply posted on 1-11-2011 @ 01:22 PM by dolphinfan

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The history of religon is all about greed and the accumulation of wealth by religious organizations. Do a bit of reading on the popes. Do a bit of reading on how much wealth these organizations have. Most organized religions are massive institutional investors and land holders. The Vatican has a bank. Interesting that organized religions in many cases have some level of vow of poverty yet have massive assets.

As it relates to generational wealth, why should'nt the family of a successful person have advantages? It is in many cases to pass down wealth that people strive to be successful in the first place. Is it fair that Bill Gates' kids have a leg up on the kid of the crack addict? Absolutely it is. Bill Gates created massive wealth and he has the right to do with it what he wants. Is it unfortunate that the crack addict's kid will have a tough time? Perhaps, but he/she are certainly not precluded from accumulating it - one of the ways to accumulate it is to go and work for someone like Gates, who has made countless millionaires

reply posted on 1-11-2011 @ 01:26 PM by TheRemedial

No offense, OWS proponents are the sheep who thought they woke up. They are actually the herd being let into the fold and tricked into wanting what the globalists want. They are the United Nations R Us crowd.

reply posted on 1-11-2011 @ 01:36 PM by Jason88

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by Jason88

The history of religon is all about greed and the accumulation of wealth by religious organizations. Do a bit of reading on the popes. Do a bit of reading on how much wealth these organizations have. Most organized religions are massive institutional investors and land holders. The Vatican has a bank. Interesting that organized religions in many cases have some level of vow of poverty yet have massive assets.

As it relates to generational wealth, why should'nt the family of a successful person have advantages? It is in many cases to pass down wealth that people strive to be successful in the first place. Is it fair that Bill Gates' kids have a leg up on the kid of the crack addict? Absolutely it is. Bill Gates created massive wealth and he has the right to do with it what he wants. Is it unfortunate that the crack addict's kid will have a tough time? Perhaps, but he/she are certainly not precluded from accumulating it - one of the ways to accumulate it is to go and work for someone like Gates, who has made countless millionaires

I think we're on the same page. I agree and I want my kids to have a leg-up on others so I work hard, I save, and I leave something to pass down to them. No different than Bill Gates (except my kids won't see as much wealth passed down, well maybe still got some living to do

).

In terms of the the leaders of religions and the religions themselves as famously wealthy, my personal belief is that none of them are in accordance with the word of God (I'm not trying to be righteous, just pointing it out). But, there is the business of religion and the greed that has been there... the best route for the everyman maybe community church, whereby all donations go to the maintenance and support of that church and to pay its pastor. (Personally, I switched religions a year ago to from a huge one with a central bank and loads of property, to a little one that really needs my money, and I support its message to both children and adults. And it's not crazy religion either, just an offshoot of a larger organization). Anyways, my point is greed is the cancer inside capitalism that is hurting everyone.

reply posted on 1-11-2011 @ 01:38 PM by Jason88

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Some are sheep, sure. Even tools. Others not so much. There are real issues that affect you and you kind. Wake up, buddy, smell the coffee.

Edit: I'll concede that some parts of OWS are marching toward New World Order, but others are refining messages and coming back around more focused on the real trouble = politics. Greed, in my opinion, is central to everything problem. And I support capitalism. And I support being rich.

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reply posted on 1-11-2011 @ 01:52 PM by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

I think you misunderstood me. I don't believe that these questions have answers and that it is when government seeks to answer them we begin down the slope to communism.

It is nobody's business how much money has to the extent that they accumulated it legally - and yes, it can be accumulated legally and more often than not is.

People need to be concerned with their own affairs, rather than the affairs of others

If those questions do not have answers then there is no point in having government.

But the obvious answer to everything is that government is needed, just like the chain-of-command is needed in the military. People cannot make official decisions when it pertains to others business and that is where authority comes into play.

Without a structured government and a clearly defined constitution we have anarchy. Is that what people want?

A circular arguement based on false logic is a waste of time and clearly you are wasting everyones time.

People DO have a say in how government is run and they should voice their opinions more often. If government does not listen to the majority then we have a pseudo-republic and it should be ousted by force regardless what the constitution says.

Tyranny is never an entitlement!

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