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Does abortion help you decide who to vote for

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posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 09:10 PM
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I was just watching the RNC and they talk about family and abortion and stem cells. i was just wondering if anyone here was voting based on the candidates view points on those kinda of matters. unfortunatly i dont think it maters what their point of view is because chances are are they really going to do anything about it. I myself am against abortion and kerry is a catholic who is supposed to be against abortion but obvoiusly religion is not as high priority as power. sometimes we all get punished for the actions of a small group of people.




posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 09:13 PM
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No, I am a pro choice Republican. There are more of us than you would think esp in northern California. However, I do not vote on a single issue.

Am I concerned? Damm right. i hope and pray that there does not need to be any replacements for the Surpreme Court in the next 4 years.



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 10:02 PM
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Abortion isn't, and probably never will be an issue on which I will base my choice for a presidential election. I just don't care. I understand the sentiment of those who want to have the choice, as choice is fundamental to freedom, and I understand the motivation of the religionists. It just seems to me that religion has it built into its system a need for more poor, hopeless, unwanted souls to bolster its numbers over time.

In this election, I believe it is an issue that should be left in the background. I think we have bigger issues to be concerned with. We have a massive deficit to pay off, which will require focus and concentration on the part of the government and the people to rectify. We are in a war with no clear resolution in sight that is consistently and largely contributing to that debt. Our adults are eating and watching reality television to an early and unwarranted grave, and our children are as well, while shirking responsibility and losing the opportunity of at least a marginal public education. An education which would be fundamental to our continued prosperity in the future.

Another issue that should be left on the back burner, but which seems to be of utmost importance currently is gay marriage. Again, I don't care right now. My limited sensibilities would normally be a little less indifferent leaning toward the gay American's agenda, but it just doesn't seem important at this point in time when compared to the monumental and decisive issues we face. We've spent a lot of money, time, and effort on an issue that really only would affect directly a minute portion of the American public, who's interests otherwise are met as fully as any other American's. They can wait until things blow over.

We are actually wasting precious money and human resources in an attemt to amend the constitution to prevent well less than a few representative percentages of the overall adult population from gaining a right. If passed, it would be the first time in history that the constitution was amended to deny a right to an American rather than protect one, which it was originally intended to do.

All Americans would do better to prioritize at this point than push every fringe issue that happens to be weighing heavy on their hearts and minds. We simply can't afford to overextend our government with these marginally important things.

I, myself, being a liberal, non-religious Republican, will be voting on the facts that a grossly failed Commander in Chief couldn't wage a war to save his life, justified or otherwise, and that I believe that religion should be of very little importance in our legislative system.

Otherwise, I will be voting for the less stupid of two idiots.

Oh, and I'll probably be hanging around at ATS for a couple of days. My beautiful distraction/focus has left town for a spell.



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 10:05 PM
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No, not issue here either, it is other problems in our society more important that how politicians should regulate women uterus.



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 10:17 PM
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[edit on 10/2/2004 by esther]



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by Kaiser617
I myself am against abortion and kerry is a catholic who is supposed to be against abortion but obvoiusly religion is not as high priority as power.








I am very much against abortions, I am a Catholic but I will also be voting for John Kerry this election. John Kerry has not at any time said he was for abortions, not once, John Kerry is for our constitutional rights, equal right, civil rights, women's rights, and part of the "women's rights", is the right to choose. John is a strong Catholic and knows it's against our religion to kill the "unborn" in the womb unless the mother's life is indangered by trying to carry the babe to term, then and only then will the church forgive the taking of a unborn.
John unlike George W Bush, does not use Religion as a weapon to boost his campaign, nor does he use scriptures to make his self look "HOLY", as G W Bush does, nor does John Kerry tell people the "GOD SPEAKS TO HIM and tells him how to run our country".
G W Bush honestly beleives that he's been choosen by GOD , Bush sounds more and more like Hitler everyday , acts like Hitler, not caring how many people will die just as long as he gets what he wants.
For a man that claims to be a christian,ol George had/has a sick way of thinking,..... when he was Gov., of Texas, he made fun of and mimiced a woman on death-row begging for her life to be spared and of course he did not spare her life, George had the most death-row inmates put to death as a Gov., of a State. Seem's to me that G W Bush has a pattern going on here, he's gone from inforcing the death sentences of inmates in Texas to sending our troops to their deaths along with Iraqi citizens. NO, Abortion is not an issue as far as I'm concerned. I'm more concerned with getting our troops home, employment, fair taxes, medical insurance for all, things that has to do with the "good" for ALL Americans.... not just for the few.
Evil is as Evil does and Bush is as he's been doing,... evil.

[edit on 31-8-2004 by nanna_of_6]



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 11:12 PM
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I have two very simple questions:

for whoever against abortion:
If a female chemist somehow accidently get toxicated in experiments, and she is in pregnant for 5 months, the fetus certainly will not grow normally because of this. If she has no right to choose the fate for the fetus, then who give you the right to choose a painful life for new baby?

for whoever against stem cell research:
read some science paper before make comment, and clear the mind how you define "a life" and define "by nature". (give you guys a hint, if everything shall be by nature, then, from now on, please dont eat any baken meat and we shall live just like an animal......)



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 07:30 AM
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Abortion issue will not change on who I will vote for, I want a canidate that is consistent on the issues though.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 07:41 AM
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esther,

Amen to your post Esther, well said. It brings me to the point to say that a country that is dominated by male in a sense that no women has been allowed to run for president yet, has the guts to dictate the fate of women.

Now because of this president personal link with Jesus, pharmacies are denying prescribe birth control pills and after morning pills for women.

I guess we are rule by the church again like in the middle ages and soon the burning of witches will start all over again, and it brings me to the so call religious radicals.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 08:03 AM
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Marg, Not so, Shirley Chissom has run for President before. I believe that she has run several times. If Bush wins, you can bet that Hillary will run in 08. If Kerry wins, the it will be at least until 12 before she runs. Sorta makes you wonder wheather the Clintons are really backing Kerry.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 08:10 AM
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Yes it has been known about women runing from president since the 1800s but none of the major political parties in this nation has given then a chance.

By the way I did post a brief history of women running for candidate before on the hillary for presindent thread.


[edit on 1-9-2004 by marg6043]



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 08:11 AM
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I want someone In office that will let people live thier lives with out judgement.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 10:34 AM
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I want someone in office that will exercise the proper use of pronouns and can conjugate a verb. I'm not too picky right now.

We're going to end up with a president who is substandard in most areas anyway.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 12:51 PM
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the abortion issue...and a ~WOMANS RIGHT TO CHOOSE~ is a major determaning factor in who I vote for.

If men had the babies...this wouldnt even be discussed politically. It would be a 'given' that they had the RIGHT TO CHOOSE.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 01:01 PM
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well, what business is it of anybody's what anybody does? so much for this lovely free country we live in. i have 2 children and have also had an abortion(doctor's prompting). i will absolutley NOT vote for a candidate who wants to rule over anyone's body. if abortions weren't legal i guess i wouldn't be here typing right now. i don't think the basic human right to do with your own body what you want should even be an issue in any political campaign. basic freedom should be a given, not something for people to fight over.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 01:19 PM
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I am a pro choic conservative. Will the right to choose ever effect how I vote? Hell no. There are so many other much important issues normally, much less in this time of war, that it will never influence my vote.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 07:49 PM
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This is what i'm hearing now i maybe wrong so feel free to correct me but it looks like morals and ethics are not the countries highest priorities but that the economy and forieghn policy are. Shouldnt we try to fix our own country before we start trying to fix someone elses.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 08:36 PM
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Kaiser617,

That is right we need to fix our domestic problems first, the national deficit the poverty, the lack of affordable health care and the unemployment, that should be the priorities.


Not women uterus, that is not of any politicians business, I don't want politics to run my and my daughters uterus, and it is not of their business either what is inside of it.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 09:51 PM
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i want to see the unemployment rate drop, minimum wage increase, more money and better educators in our schools, health insurance for everybody, ect. ah, but alas, i don't think any candidate has the ability to stand up for these things because it would be too much work! so, instead let's talk about who's gay and why they can't marry, what the candidate did in vietnam 40+ years ago, and why the gov't should save us(people) from ourselves. personally, i am completely disgusted by both major parties and am having a hard time deciding what to do when i reach the voting booth.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 11:11 PM
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I am a conservative republican, female and a devout Catholic. The issue on abortion that a candidate takes will not be the only factor in who I choose to vote for; however, it does peak my interest. John Kerry, a catholic.... it depends on what stance you take. Kerry was denied Communion by the Archbishop in Boston because of his take on the abortion and stem cell issues; therefore he went to the Paulist Center in Boston. One of the Paulist Vision Statements it to "reach out to marginalized or alienated Catholics." Interesting...
www.paulist.org...
I have seen first hand the impact abortion has on women's lives, and the lives of the children. Yes, I say children because I do not consider sexually active 13 year old girls who use abortion as birth control, women.
As in other countries, for cases such as rape, incest, or if the birth of the child will lead to the death of the mother, I can see how abortion could be a somewhat desirable answer, but unfortunately, most of the time, abortion is not utilized for these reasons. Partial Birth-abortions, is not a right to choose. If anyone doesn't know, most of these "babies" can survive out of the womb with support, but according to statutes, the "fetus" is not considered "alive" until it takes it's first breath. In order to stop it from doing so, while the child is usually in the birth canal, an instrument is used to puncture the skull/soft spot. I am against partial birth abortion.
And yes, it was distasteful of then Gov. Bush to make fun of Karla Faye at the time of her execution, I'll agree with Nana there; however, Karla Faye had no problem hacking to death a woman with a pick axe, bragging about it, admitting she felt no guilt after it had been done, and even telling people she had a triple orgasm from it. In Texas, the death penalty is used. Since Gov Perry has been in office, 125 executions have taken place along with 10 more scheduled for the rest of 2004. I guess Bush is going to lose his title as the "Deadliest Govenor" with only 152 executions, since Gov Perry will pass that number up in no time.
Well, that's my rant. cool:
One of the biggest issues I want to know about is the security of our country. I became almost physically ill thinking about if terrorist took one of the schools here.



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