Your post made sense until you added the Hcg thing...... Why would anyone want to inject a pregnancy hormone in them? There are better ways to lose
weight, proper diet and staying active. Your post sounded like an advertisement, therefore, NO THANKS!
I have lost 30 pounds in the last two months just by slightly changing my diet and adding a whole bunch of activity, no drugs and or special processed
vitamins.
Activity burns calories, so depending on how active you are matters as to your calorie intake. 800 calories as active as I've been lately would make
me have to take a run to the hospital!
Western Trained Doctors Haven't a Clue on Weight Loss - Anyone Can Lose 5 to 7 Lbs Per Week!, page 1
Topic started on 28-10-2011 @ 08:10 AM by curiouswa
About 4 years ago, I struggled with trying to lose 20 lbs. I ate healthy and I don't have a taste for sweets or junk food. I do like good wine now
and then.
At the time, I managed a group of primary care physicians. My job was a sedentary, this is why the weight creep on, including "drug rep" lunches daily from pharmaceutical companies. None of the doctors I worked with could help me with my weight loss. Two of the doctors over a few years even tried to prescribe phentermine, a dangerous appetite suppressant drug (I wasn't hungry, just overweight).
Doctors in general only receive the equivalent of 10 hours of training in weight loss and nutrition. Many people simply don’t understand that doctors do not have the medical training to treat obesity. Bariatric surgeons are skilled at surgery. What about the majority of people who do not want to resort to a Lapband or bariatric surgery? The answer is those individuals need to seek out a doctor whose core business is weight loss and not surgery or actually Western trained, unless they have specialized weight loss training.
A friend of mine shared an experience she had with a naturopath physician. She was only 2 weeks away from having her colon removed and living with a bag that would hold her fecal matter. She went to a highly regarded naturopath and found she had severe Celtic disease as she was severely allergic to gluten found in breads and other foods. This naturopath doctor basically saved her life, her dignity and quite honestly, her marriage. I was absolutely intrigued and the researcher side of me was engaged to learn as much as I could about this specialty of medicine that I knew nothing about!
I scheduled an appointment with the same naturopath doctor responsible for saving my friends life. After completing my "new patient paperwork", the doctor started his comprehensive visit by asking very detailed questions about my diet, exercise routine, lifestyle, etc. He found I had actually shrunk my thyroid by eliminating all "good salt" from my diet. He told me that table salt is actually poisonous and to only use dead sea salt, or crystal salt. www.vitacost.com... (a link to an example of the type of salt he talked about).
Food grown commercially lacks nutrients
He said that the ground our food is grown in lacks the vitamins and supplements we would have found 100 years ago. Food commercially grown is at times, 100x less nutritious than organic or local farm grown food. This includes animal and fish that are grown for commercial purposes. So the food I was eating was/is "stunt food" as I like to call it. It's only to fill your stomach up with little to zero nutritious value.
purityproductsnews.com...
Consuming artificial sweeteners causes weight gain
I also found out that by drinking diet Coke, I was further adding to my lack of weight loss as anything artificial must be processed by the liver first and when the liver is busy processing artificial sweeteners, colors, flavors, etc. it cannot burn fat. I eliminated everything that contained artificial sweeteners and began using organic, raw sugar.
www.medicinenet.com...
abcnews.go.com...
Margarine is not food
I also found out that margarine is not identified by your body as it's considered foreign. He recommended I use real butter. After researching more, I was astonished to find out that this was true and recommended for weight loss to use real butter vs. fake butter.
www.outofstress.com...
The naturopath doctor created a diet specific for me, based on my age, gender and health issues. He also prescribed hCG Human chorionic gonadotropin (injections), and said that the hCG attaches to the dopamine centers of the brain and causes a disconnect between the brain and stomach. He said I wouldn't feel hungry or jittery that HCG is a subtle hormone which would make dieting a breeze for me.
I had nothing to lose, but the 20 lbs, so I tried it. I lost 24 pounds in 3 weeks. I went from a size 9 to size 2.
I ate no less than 800 calories per day. I walked 1 mile per day a few times per week. Basically, I removed all sugar and carbs (besides vegetable carbs). I could not eat all the food he wanted me to eat each day as I simply wasn't hungry. He stressed that I must eat no less than 800 calories per day as if I went lower than this, it would be considered a starvation diet and I could experience hair loss from being malnourished.
HCG is the pregnancy hormone that unlocks the fat cells and releases into the body for elimination. This is how a fetus doesn't starve when the mother has morning sickness. I was able to lose weight in areas I could never lose before.
Diet for Cardiovascular Patients: The body makes triglycerides from sugar, not fat and that preventing insulin from spiking will dramatically slow down this conversion. Using the hCG diet for weight loss can dramatically improve insulin and triglyceride levels, along with favorable changes to cholesterol because of the careful monitoring of carbohydrates. Losing weight, targets the visceral or abdominal fat, and so, can help heart patients dramatically reduce their risk factors.
Weight loss causes the liver to put off ketones which is fat burned by the liver. An experienced weight loss doctor will monitor the metabolic level of ketosis to ensure a range optimal for insulin reduction without inducing heavy protein loss. Ketogenic diets have been shown to modify the risk factors of heart disease in obese patients.
Losing weight is ideal for people with Metabolic Syndrome: Patients with metabolic syndrome, whose blood panels show the red flags associated with heart disease from high insulin, hyperlipidemia and hypertension. By reducing visceral fat and attaining a healthy weight these patients are able to reverse many of the risk factors associated with heart disease.
Losing weight for people with Diabetes: If a person reduces calories, they initially lose a lot of water weight, but no fat. The reason for this failure to initially induce fat loss is that chronically high insulin levels preclude the release of fat from storage in the body. Since insulin blocks the release of fat, the body first sheds water and burns up any protein reserves, which results in a quick reduction of body weight, but virtually no fat loss. Hyperinsulinemia, or too much insulin, is also responsible for exaggerated hunger and craving for fat and sugar.
This is a true story. I couldn't believe nobody really knows of this approach to weight loss. Why couldn't the Western trained doctors help me? Why doesn't everybody know about using prescription hCG (not homeopathic hcg drops) for dieting?
At the time, I managed a group of primary care physicians. My job was a sedentary, this is why the weight creep on, including "drug rep" lunches daily from pharmaceutical companies. None of the doctors I worked with could help me with my weight loss. Two of the doctors over a few years even tried to prescribe phentermine, a dangerous appetite suppressant drug (I wasn't hungry, just overweight).
Doctors in general only receive the equivalent of 10 hours of training in weight loss and nutrition. Many people simply don’t understand that doctors do not have the medical training to treat obesity. Bariatric surgeons are skilled at surgery. What about the majority of people who do not want to resort to a Lapband or bariatric surgery? The answer is those individuals need to seek out a doctor whose core business is weight loss and not surgery or actually Western trained, unless they have specialized weight loss training.
A friend of mine shared an experience she had with a naturopath physician. She was only 2 weeks away from having her colon removed and living with a bag that would hold her fecal matter. She went to a highly regarded naturopath and found she had severe Celtic disease as she was severely allergic to gluten found in breads and other foods. This naturopath doctor basically saved her life, her dignity and quite honestly, her marriage. I was absolutely intrigued and the researcher side of me was engaged to learn as much as I could about this specialty of medicine that I knew nothing about!
I scheduled an appointment with the same naturopath doctor responsible for saving my friends life. After completing my "new patient paperwork", the doctor started his comprehensive visit by asking very detailed questions about my diet, exercise routine, lifestyle, etc. He found I had actually shrunk my thyroid by eliminating all "good salt" from my diet. He told me that table salt is actually poisonous and to only use dead sea salt, or crystal salt. www.vitacost.com... (a link to an example of the type of salt he talked about).
Food grown commercially lacks nutrients
He said that the ground our food is grown in lacks the vitamins and supplements we would have found 100 years ago. Food commercially grown is at times, 100x less nutritious than organic or local farm grown food. This includes animal and fish that are grown for commercial purposes. So the food I was eating was/is "stunt food" as I like to call it. It's only to fill your stomach up with little to zero nutritious value.
purityproductsnews.com...
Consuming artificial sweeteners causes weight gain
I also found out that by drinking diet Coke, I was further adding to my lack of weight loss as anything artificial must be processed by the liver first and when the liver is busy processing artificial sweeteners, colors, flavors, etc. it cannot burn fat. I eliminated everything that contained artificial sweeteners and began using organic, raw sugar.
www.medicinenet.com...
abcnews.go.com...
Margarine is not food
I also found out that margarine is not identified by your body as it's considered foreign. He recommended I use real butter. After researching more, I was astonished to find out that this was true and recommended for weight loss to use real butter vs. fake butter.
www.outofstress.com...
The naturopath doctor created a diet specific for me, based on my age, gender and health issues. He also prescribed hCG Human chorionic gonadotropin (injections), and said that the hCG attaches to the dopamine centers of the brain and causes a disconnect between the brain and stomach. He said I wouldn't feel hungry or jittery that HCG is a subtle hormone which would make dieting a breeze for me.
I had nothing to lose, but the 20 lbs, so I tried it. I lost 24 pounds in 3 weeks. I went from a size 9 to size 2.
I ate no less than 800 calories per day. I walked 1 mile per day a few times per week. Basically, I removed all sugar and carbs (besides vegetable carbs). I could not eat all the food he wanted me to eat each day as I simply wasn't hungry. He stressed that I must eat no less than 800 calories per day as if I went lower than this, it would be considered a starvation diet and I could experience hair loss from being malnourished.
HCG is the pregnancy hormone that unlocks the fat cells and releases into the body for elimination. This is how a fetus doesn't starve when the mother has morning sickness. I was able to lose weight in areas I could never lose before.
Diet for Cardiovascular Patients: The body makes triglycerides from sugar, not fat and that preventing insulin from spiking will dramatically slow down this conversion. Using the hCG diet for weight loss can dramatically improve insulin and triglyceride levels, along with favorable changes to cholesterol because of the careful monitoring of carbohydrates. Losing weight, targets the visceral or abdominal fat, and so, can help heart patients dramatically reduce their risk factors.
Weight loss causes the liver to put off ketones which is fat burned by the liver. An experienced weight loss doctor will monitor the metabolic level of ketosis to ensure a range optimal for insulin reduction without inducing heavy protein loss. Ketogenic diets have been shown to modify the risk factors of heart disease in obese patients.
Losing weight is ideal for people with Metabolic Syndrome: Patients with metabolic syndrome, whose blood panels show the red flags associated with heart disease from high insulin, hyperlipidemia and hypertension. By reducing visceral fat and attaining a healthy weight these patients are able to reverse many of the risk factors associated with heart disease.
Losing weight for people with Diabetes: If a person reduces calories, they initially lose a lot of water weight, but no fat. The reason for this failure to initially induce fat loss is that chronically high insulin levels preclude the release of fat from storage in the body. Since insulin blocks the release of fat, the body first sheds water and burns up any protein reserves, which results in a quick reduction of body weight, but virtually no fat loss. Hyperinsulinemia, or too much insulin, is also responsible for exaggerated hunger and craving for fat and sugar.
This is a true story. I couldn't believe nobody really knows of this approach to weight loss. Why couldn't the Western trained doctors help me? Why doesn't everybody know about using prescription hCG (not homeopathic hcg drops) for dieting?
reply posted on 28-10-2011 @ 08:30 AM by curiouswa
Don't respond with a blanket statement on hcg, unless you do your research. You haven't a clue on this subject. I am informing the public and not
driving traffic to any particular website or doctor that promotes hcg or weight loss. I am tell you the facts.
The FDA is governed by pharmaceutical CEO's. The FDA makes it impossible to get anything approved without "big pharma" funding a clinical trial.
Do your own research by reading this clinical trial done by Dr. Bellusio on HCG and don't be a sheeple!
www.hcgobesity.org...
The FDA is governed by pharmaceutical CEO's. The FDA makes it impossible to get anything approved without "big pharma" funding a clinical trial.
Do your own research by reading this clinical trial done by Dr. Bellusio on HCG and don't be a sheeple!
www.hcgobesity.org...
reply posted on 28-10-2011 @ 08:50 AM by freespirit1
reply to post by curiouswa
I agree, obesity is a problem in the US..... mostly because of inactivity. Since when do you have to walk a mile or go to the gym in order to be active?
My point is, with proper diet and activity, you don't need ANY chemical put in your body to help you lose weight.
If you can't walk a block at first because you're too heavy, walk what you can and build up tolerance. As people turn fat into muscle, excess skin will usually disappear also, but when you "drop weight" too fast, it never will tone up, thus needing a surgery anyways.
I have read about hcg and am informed. I just choose not to put it into MY body... what everyone else does is their business.
I agree, obesity is a problem in the US..... mostly because of inactivity. Since when do you have to walk a mile or go to the gym in order to be active?
My point is, with proper diet and activity, you don't need ANY chemical put in your body to help you lose weight.
If you can't walk a block at first because you're too heavy, walk what you can and build up tolerance. As people turn fat into muscle, excess skin will usually disappear also, but when you "drop weight" too fast, it never will tone up, thus needing a surgery anyways.
I have read about hcg and am informed. I just choose not to put it into MY body... what everyone else does is their business.
reply posted on 28-10-2011 @ 08:56 AM by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by curiouswa
It's not just America, any "Western" nation is dealing with this problem, and you nailed it, most of the "food" being eaten is barely classifiable as food.
That said, some studies have been done on organic versus factory farming, and those studies claimed to find no real nutritional difference, so be prepared for a debate on that. I personally call those studies into question for various reasons including some you mentioned.
First, factory farming is done on a massive scale, and usually only 1 item is farmed, unlike traditional farms with a few pigs, some cows, a few chickens, some different types of vegetables etc. Now it's 1 massive crop.
As the idea is to maximize profits corners are cut. The land is damaged, nutrients are missing, waste is contaminating the surrounding area. Massive amounts of chemical fertilizers and pesticides are used, and in some cases these pesticides are present right in the seed and stay throughout the plants life cycle, so yes, you are eating it, you can't wash it off, it's inside the plant matter itself. Bee colony collapse disorder has been linked to use of these pesticides.
Beyond that, factory farmed vegetables and fruit are picked before they are ready, transported all over the place and pumped full of gas to give the illusion of ripeness.
Anyone can test this by going to their super market and buying a tomato. Now go to your local farmers market and get a tomato, doesn't even have to be organic actually. Look at them, they look the same. Now drop them both onto the floor. The one from the farm will split open. The one from the store won't. Now cut them open. The one from the farm has a nice scent and is soft and tasty in the center, the one from the store is hard and bland, if you close your eyes you'll probably not even taste it.
My wife and I for the past year have been getting all of our food minus a few exceptions, from local farms and most of which is completely organic. Completely hormone and anti-biotic free pork and beef. Free range chicken and eggs. All of which is produced within an hour or less of where we live.
The difference is night and day, we've both lost some weight, but the most important part is we feel great, not just physically, but also content in the knowledge that we are supporting local business and farms.
When cooking we use only sea salt. We get enough "table" salt from other aspects of our diet.
As I said we've managed to switch all of our meet and veg to local organic, and a good deal of fruit too. We are also buying coffee beans that are roasted here locally and are part of the "fair trade" system. We've also started making out own:
Jams
Salsas
Ketchup
Taco Sauce
BBQ sauces
Stewed Tomatoes
and the list goes on, all of these made from organic local produce and made from scratch in our kitchen by hand, so we know exactly what is in there. And the best part is since we're "canning" all of this, it will last for a year before we open it!
I couldn't tell you how much we've actually lost as we don't have a scale, it's depressing, and we have 3 cats that would break it anyway, but I can confirm over the past several months, with no real change in our "active" lives, I've gone down several belt notches and actually had to add new ones about 2 months ago, which is now also too lose.
As an added bonus we are now at the point that our bodies reject fast food and processed crap. We were running late last night, didn't take anything out of the freezer so opted for Burger King, I know, I know.. But the moral is, my body instantly rejected that food, I couldn't finish it for one, and I eliminated it rather quickly we'll say.
Obesity is an epidemic in America. It's a serious flaw in our culture as the norm is non-food, which causes weight gain, which leads to poor health, diseases and early death!
It's not just America, any "Western" nation is dealing with this problem, and you nailed it, most of the "food" being eaten is barely classifiable as food.
That said, some studies have been done on organic versus factory farming, and those studies claimed to find no real nutritional difference, so be prepared for a debate on that. I personally call those studies into question for various reasons including some you mentioned.
First, factory farming is done on a massive scale, and usually only 1 item is farmed, unlike traditional farms with a few pigs, some cows, a few chickens, some different types of vegetables etc. Now it's 1 massive crop.
As the idea is to maximize profits corners are cut. The land is damaged, nutrients are missing, waste is contaminating the surrounding area. Massive amounts of chemical fertilizers and pesticides are used, and in some cases these pesticides are present right in the seed and stay throughout the plants life cycle, so yes, you are eating it, you can't wash it off, it's inside the plant matter itself. Bee colony collapse disorder has been linked to use of these pesticides.
Beyond that, factory farmed vegetables and fruit are picked before they are ready, transported all over the place and pumped full of gas to give the illusion of ripeness.
Anyone can test this by going to their super market and buying a tomato. Now go to your local farmers market and get a tomato, doesn't even have to be organic actually. Look at them, they look the same. Now drop them both onto the floor. The one from the farm will split open. The one from the store won't. Now cut them open. The one from the farm has a nice scent and is soft and tasty in the center, the one from the store is hard and bland, if you close your eyes you'll probably not even taste it.
My wife and I for the past year have been getting all of our food minus a few exceptions, from local farms and most of which is completely organic. Completely hormone and anti-biotic free pork and beef. Free range chicken and eggs. All of which is produced within an hour or less of where we live.
The difference is night and day, we've both lost some weight, but the most important part is we feel great, not just physically, but also content in the knowledge that we are supporting local business and farms.
When cooking we use only sea salt. We get enough "table" salt from other aspects of our diet.
As I said we've managed to switch all of our meet and veg to local organic, and a good deal of fruit too. We are also buying coffee beans that are roasted here locally and are part of the "fair trade" system. We've also started making out own:
Jams
Salsas
Ketchup
Taco Sauce
BBQ sauces
Stewed Tomatoes
and the list goes on, all of these made from organic local produce and made from scratch in our kitchen by hand, so we know exactly what is in there. And the best part is since we're "canning" all of this, it will last for a year before we open it!
I couldn't tell you how much we've actually lost as we don't have a scale, it's depressing, and we have 3 cats that would break it anyway, but I can confirm over the past several months, with no real change in our "active" lives, I've gone down several belt notches and actually had to add new ones about 2 months ago, which is now also too lose.
As an added bonus we are now at the point that our bodies reject fast food and processed crap. We were running late last night, didn't take anything out of the freezer so opted for Burger King, I know, I know.. But the moral is, my body instantly rejected that food, I couldn't finish it for one, and I eliminated it rather quickly we'll say.
edit on 28-10-2011 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 28-10-2011 @ 09:38 AM by curiouswa
reply to post by Whosthatgirl
@whosethatgirl: this is what I am saying is when you take hcg, your brain says it's full and satisfied. Your body starts burning ketones which is where fat is processed by your liver. When this happens, you receive a boost of energy and ketones also act as a powerful, natural, appetite suppressant.
www.proteinpower.com...
@whosethatgirl: this is what I am saying is when you take hcg, your brain says it's full and satisfied. Your body starts burning ketones which is where fat is processed by your liver. When this happens, you receive a boost of energy and ketones also act as a powerful, natural, appetite suppressant.
www.proteinpower.com...
reply posted on 28-10-2011 @ 09:51 AM by brilab45
Here is one site (there are many more) that an actual MD commenting on injection HCG:
calorielab.com...
However OP, I actually did do my research on this particular diet. Truly, I was ready hook, line and sinker to pay for this diet. Not only does a person pay for the program itself, one must pay for all the blood work and doctor examinations.
After reading further on the diet itself (without HCG), I adopted it and in fact did lose 30 pounds in 30 days. I'm currently doing it now (that is why I replied to your thread). I'm eating under 1000 calories a day. Last week I lost eight pounds. I'm sendentary. Yes, I admit it. Yet the diet itself does work. I simply skipped the middle man and the HCG. No money spent and less dollars spent at the supermarket.
Additionally, I maintain my relationship with my primary care physician in order that I do not hurt myself.
Being older really is a bugger. It's so much harder to lose weight. Calorie restriction does in fact work. Just do it safely.
calorielab.com...
However OP, I actually did do my research on this particular diet. Truly, I was ready hook, line and sinker to pay for this diet. Not only does a person pay for the program itself, one must pay for all the blood work and doctor examinations.
After reading further on the diet itself (without HCG), I adopted it and in fact did lose 30 pounds in 30 days. I'm currently doing it now (that is why I replied to your thread). I'm eating under 1000 calories a day. Last week I lost eight pounds. I'm sendentary. Yes, I admit it. Yet the diet itself does work. I simply skipped the middle man and the HCG. No money spent and less dollars spent at the supermarket.
Additionally, I maintain my relationship with my primary care physician in order that I do not hurt myself.
Being older really is a bugger. It's so much harder to lose weight. Calorie restriction does in fact work. Just do it safely.
reply posted on 28-10-2011 @ 10:14 AM by brilab45
reply to post by curiouswa
The HCG clinics here in the midwest do require blood work and medical examinations. Almost all the HCG clinics have doctors that administer the program. Would it not be irresponsible? My primary care physician is separate from the HCG clinics. You failed to pick that up.
Pick up the yellow pages and call an HCG clinic. I guarantee that you will have to pay for lab's and such.
Yes, a person can purchase HCG online. As a male, there is no way I am putting a pregnancy hormone in my body. It is not natural and does not work.
Another excerpt by Dr. Oz: calorielab.com...
The HCG clinics here in the midwest do require blood work and medical examinations. Almost all the HCG clinics have doctors that administer the program. Would it not be irresponsible? My primary care physician is separate from the HCG clinics. You failed to pick that up.
Pick up the yellow pages and call an HCG clinic. I guarantee that you will have to pay for lab's and such.
Yes, a person can purchase HCG online. As a male, there is no way I am putting a pregnancy hormone in my body. It is not natural and does not work.
Another excerpt by Dr. Oz: calorielab.com...
reply posted on 28-10-2011 @ 10:31 AM by Buddha1098
reply to post by curiouswa
I'm not sure how Hcg would have an effect on your Dopamine system. If it works, the hcg isn't doing anything to accelerate weight loss, what it may do is preserve lean tissue on an ultra-low calorie diet.
Also if you're going to advocate Hcg you should probably warn people that it is a powerful fertility drug. A body builder friend of mine got his wife pregnant during his steroid cycle by using Hcg. If you're going to use it.. Wrap it up boys.. =)
I'm not sure how Hcg would have an effect on your Dopamine system. If it works, the hcg isn't doing anything to accelerate weight loss, what it may do is preserve lean tissue on an ultra-low calorie diet.
Also if you're going to advocate Hcg you should probably warn people that it is a powerful fertility drug. A body builder friend of mine got his wife pregnant during his steroid cycle by using Hcg. If you're going to use it.. Wrap it up boys.. =)
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