The dilemma

I am a believer in Jesus, as some of you probably know.

Here is my dilemma:

Jesus asks us to love each other, to forgive each other, and to care about each other.

But we are humans. And humans hate each other, do not forgive each other, and murder each other.

So, is Jesus asking us to go against our nature?

Maybe, Jesus, Buddha, and other loving and gentle spirits are sending us a simple message:

If, as individuals, we are loving and caring, it could spread to many other people.

So why not try it?

Well we can try it and even do it. There are however just a good number of spiritual psychopaths out there say like Nero or your local garden variety. Heck look what they did to Jesus.

reply to post by catwhoknowsplusone

Part of the riddle lies in your answer to this question:

Who wants you to believe that it is "human nature" for us to hate and fight one another?

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
I am a believer in Jesus, as some of you probably know.

Here is my dilemma:

Jesus asks us to love each other, to forgive each other, and to care about each other.

But we are humans. And humans hate each other, do not forgive each other, and murder each other.

So, is Jesus asking us to go against our nature?

Maybe, Jesus, Buddha, and other loving and gentle spirits are sending us a simple message:

If, as individuals, we are loving and caring, it could spread to many other people.

So why not try it?

Yeah and the irony is that you Jeebus believers are the first one to point fingers and say we're all going to hell if we don't believe the same things you do.

I've noticed that the people who don't believe in god or have rid themselves of religion lead far more peaceful lives and are more caring towards their fellow man.

reply to post by l_e_cox


Hi l,

I don't want to believe that it is human nature, but it is what we see around us every day.

So, people en masse are horrible, but individuals can be fabulous.

reply to post by Logarock


Hi Log,

Yes, the world is full of psychopaths, spiritual and otherwise.

But anyone who invites evil in has to pay in the end.

reply to post by Shadow666


Shadow,

You have got me completely wrong. Just because I believe in Jesus I don't expect other people to.

What I am saying, though, is that if you live your life ruled by benevolence - Jesus, Buddha, or just helping your brother - then things will probably improve.

Our nature is more dualistic; any person in the world can be incredibly kind and loving. That same person can be incredibly cruel and hateful.

At some point in your life, you do realize that being nice to others tends to bring in rewards. When you're bad to others; they are bad to you. When you are good to them, most of the time they are good to you. I'd rather call it Karma.

If you choose to believe in Jesus or Budha or whoever for this, that is your decision, but this concept is much, much older than they are. You find it in the oldest known writings and it does not involve any deities, just common sense from life experience.

Of course, if everybody decided to be kind to each other, the world would be a much better place. Problem is, a few people won't wrap their heads around it and they drag us down with them.

reply to post by ajmusicmedia


Hi aj,

Let's refuse to be dragged down!

People always try and drag you down, but allowing them to is our own decision.

Yes, people are dualistic, but my point is, why not choose to be kind, loving and forgiving?

I have spent a lot of my life allowing people to drag me down.

NO MORE!

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by Logarock

 

Hi Log,

Yes, the world is full of psychopaths, spiritual and otherwise.

But anyone who invites evil in has to pay in the end.

So what are you saying...we cant love everyone? lol

As a group, Christians are the most hateful, hyper-critical, and hypocritical people I know.

Why is that?

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by Shadow666

 

Shadow,

You have got me completely wrong. Just because I believe in Jesus I don't expect other people to.

What I am saying, though, is that if you live your life ruled by benevolence - Jesus, Buddha, or just helping your brother - then things will probably improve.

Or you could be crucified for your efforts, called demon possesed and a host of other names to justify your murder. Heck they may even think they are doing God a service. Thats the diffrence between Jesus and Buddah. No ones going to bother a naked guy walking around and smoking mother nature. lol But you get in someones face and demand respect.... look out!

reply to post by Logarock


Log,

I am trying to make a bit of sense out of living.

If you can show kindness to just one person every day, even just a smile, that is helping humankind and the universe.

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone

Shadow,

You have got me completely wrong. Just because I believe in Jesus I don't expect other people to.

What I am saying, though, is that if you live your life ruled by benevolence - Jesus, Buddha, or just helping your brother - then things will probably improve.

The same benevolent Jesus who sent a bunch of bears to dismember some kids for making fun of one of his buddies?

No thanks. That's not the example I want to follow. I'm doing just fine on my own.

Cheers!

reply to post by Logarock


Well, Log,

Here is where I do not love or even like my fellow man.

It would be nice if you had a logical thinking process.

reply to post by Shadow666


OK,

Good luck on your own.

And what is that about bears - load of lies.

It's natural to love,
unless you are in a state of being self-absorbed.
In the extreme, hate, pitting one against another, is usually
for greed, and power.Natural ? no just primitive.

reply to post by Schkeptick


Hi Sch,

Yes, good question.

That is beacuse they are NOT Christians - they belong to the 'Christian' church, which also has nothing to do with Jesus.

Wow! I am getting verry pissed off on Jesus' behalf. How could he stand those people!

And I am so angry that a lot of churches call themselves Christian when they are not.

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by Shadow666

 

OK,

Good luck on your own.

And what is that about bears - load of lies.

''2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them''

There you go. And before you say 'but that was God's doing not Jesus' here's something from Jesus' own mouth

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Luke 19:27

How benevolent and loving

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by Logarock

 

Well, Log,

Here is where I do not love or even like my fellow man.

It would be nice if you had a logical thinking process.

Well you got that right. Its not a logical thinking process! In fact its not even a process at all.