MARINES TO OAKLAND POLICE: 'You Did This To My Brother'

Originally posted by SecondAmendmentUser
What did the Founding Fathers say about tyranny and tyrants?

Yes, and it had nothing to do with a slavering lust born of laziness.

You're Busted! G man!

No, it has to do with the US government VIOLATING REPEATEDLY, WITH CONTEMPT..THE CONSTITUTION, THE BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.

And you cannot deny it. And you know this.

Originally posted by SecondAmendmentUser
I have to say if you believe that violence is NEVER acceptable to evict tyrannical rulers from the government in the USA....

The opinion being we are certainly not at the point.

So lets see...

US Gov't repeatedly violating the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, God Given Rights.....

Rigged national elections.

No Redress of Grievances because the US Congress is corrupted by lobbyists pouring tens of millions in pay offs to the representatives....

Military Industrial Complex murdering millions of innocents with OUR taxpayer dollars where NO WAR has been declared by congress...

Clearly we passed the point of TYRANNY a long time ago.

Wait..I think I'll go waste my time voting in a rigged election and writing a congressman that was just given millions by some corporation or foreign terrorist state like Israhell.

Originally posted by AnonymousFem

The police might not have killed him, Which I got wrong, and I admit when I am wrong, but they, covered up the beaten of him , which lead to 10 shot dead by the army and police, with as many as 2,000 people injured.

Negative. The deaths and injuries were caused by a RIOT. There is a right way and a wrong way to make one's displeasure known. When one chooses the wrong way, one should expect results inconsistent with his own best interests, since other folks will respond in accordance with their own best interests and the preservation of their own lives. Sometimes, when you mess with the bull, you get the horn.

1992 Los Angeles Riots

From your link:

Fifty-three people died during the riots including 10 shot dead by the army and police[23] with as many as 2,000 people injured.

Why did you only mention the 10 deaths by the authorities, and neglect mention of the FORTY THREE deaths at the hands of the rioters? That's over 4 to 1 in favor of the murderous masses. Why leave that little tidbit out?

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And What lead to the riots?

The police cover-up.

I posted with regards to the 2000 injured. I did not sate the police or army caused it.

reply to post by LazloFarnsworth


I feel for ya, brother. I really do. It's an aggravation that every new generation that comes along feels the need to reinvent the wheel, just because they "know better" than those who have gone before, and already walked that road.

What do you do, though?

The only solution I've found is to warn them as best you can, then stand back and "git outta their way" so that they can go ahead and break themselves against the walls. They're going to, whether you warn them or not.

Originally posted by SecondAmendmentUser

Force is the ONLY thing this psychopathic creatures understand.

You're absolutely right. That sword cuts both ways, though.

Don't walk past any mirrors any time soon.

Originally posted by drphilxr

The occupiers are the vox populi; us zombies need them.

They are decidedly NOT the vox populi. None of "us zombies" voted for them to speak for US, and a sizable number are vociferously denying them the right to speak for US. myself included.

They do not speak for ME, they do not speak for ANY of the friends and family members I've contacted on the issue so far. WE are able to speak for ourselves. WE are not mute.

Occupy needs a figure head to rally behind. Despite the mass mind play, they need a leader....

I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion. -Alexander the Great

They do need a leader of some kind, and will likely have an open one soon enough. Right now, all of the "leaders" are sticking to the shadows, and acting more as herdsmen than "leaders", but I expect a leader of some form will emerge shortly, whether an individual or a "council". Whether that turns out to be a sheep or a lion remains to be seen, but in either case your assessment as a "figure head" is probably dead on. It will be a figure head rather than the actual leader, and the herdsmen will still try to stick to the shadows.

The other factions involved will ALSO have their leaders emerge. The "establishment" will have theirs, and the actual People (NOT the OWS microcosm) will have theirs, as well as any other interested factions will have THEIRS. If enough of those leaders turn out to be lions rather than sheep, it's going to get interesting. Some appear to be jockying for position as we speak, but they are so far of little concern, since they appear to be sheep costumed as lions, and therefore nothing to worry over.

Watch for the real lions.

Originally posted by SecondAmendmentUser

Originally posted by WingedBull
Your message seems to be rather confused.

Really? Or is this little jab a clever manipulation to make me appear less credible?

Good job of skirting the issue, misdirecting attention away from your "message", and utterly failing to clarify it. THAT is what makes you appear "less credible", more so than anything anyone else could possibly say about you. What you say about yourself, and how you say it, speaks far more clearly and with more authority than any one else possibly could.

These kind of comments remind me of what COINTELPRO psyops does when "working" .

You're NOT helping your case with spurious charges like this. It's already well known that this is the standard fallback to attempt to "discredit" a response when one has not logical counter to it. If I had a nickel for every time I've been called a "paid disinfo agent", I would BE one of the "1%".

On one hand, you are telling us any violence is due to government provocateurs; yet on the other hand, you tell us any violence is justified as it is the only way to deal with the government.

Come now ......you clearly know and understand what I am saying....

Aye, he does. It's rather kind of you to admit that and confirm his analysis.

Which is it? Is the violence justified and necessary to overthrow the government, or is violence only due to government provocateurs?

What did the Founding Fathers say about tyranny and tyrants?

The question was clearly directed at the perceived source of the violence, and you have the gall to bring up the Founding Fathers as a smoke screen? Which is this - a smoke screen, or your answer to the question of what is the ultimate source of the violent rhetoric? Are you saying the Founding Fathers are causing the violent rhetoric of today?

But wait you ALREADY know the answer. Still "working"?

There you go, hurting your case and working against yourself again by trying to field accusations in order to sidestep answering a fairly simple question. That says a lot more than you may have meant to say.

I have to say if you believe that violence is NEVER acceptable to evict tyrannical rulers from the government in the USA....even though it is CLEAR that under the law of the land the US Constitution it DOES give The People that right....then of course, you are against The People.

No one said it is NEVER justified. The fact is, however, that it is a last resort. Sheep stampede at the first noise. Lions lie in wait and attack the source of it.

It really doesn't matter though because I would bet that you are a paid operative working on behalf of the tyrants that rule us. But I have to say that sparing with psyops and other intel spooks on the internet is amusing.

You know, I actually did some time in low-level PsyOps several years ago in a war setting, ancillary to combat operations, and I believe the technology and theory of it are bound to have improved over time. Because of that, I can confidently say that you should thank your lucky stars that you are in no way "sparring with psyops and other intel spooks". I have no doubt that any real spooks would eat you alive in these exchanges without even working up a sweat.

"Paid operatives" my ass. Where are the check stubs, then?

Originally posted by AgentX09
Dear police.I remember your gestapo tactics from the 60's.You rabid,steroid sucking lapdogs of the 1%.Damn you.Do keep in mind that when the citizens you've been assaulting go guerilla you'll be smashed.Starting in our urban centers,your doomed...

How 'bout that?

Who'd have ever thought they'd be hearing violent rhetoric emerging from "peaceful protestors"?

Well, actually I saw this coming, and stated that in several posts some time ago.

See you in the Tall Grass, and remember, you ain't the only folks around that can go all guerrilla on someone's ass. Watch your six.

And your twelve, too. All at the same time.

Originally posted by AnonymousFem

And What lead to the riots?

The police cover-up.

Negative. The cover up led to a court case. Lack of self control and a violent streak in the masses, combined with an inability to properly express themselves as to the results of that court case led to the riots.

I posted with regards to the 2000 injured. I did not sate the police or army caused it.

You posted with regard to the 10 deaths caused by the authorities, and very clearly stated the source of those deaths, while at the same time conveniently leaving out the FORTY THREE deaths at the hands of the murderous mobs.

I merely corrected that omission, and asked why you omitted it. I note that you have still not explained the omission, but instead are trying to "cover it up". Should I riot, then, and kill a few unrelated people, or should I concentrate on resolving the issue and exposing the coverup? You decide for me - what is my proper course of action? What is justified? I have a choice to make here, and I'm allowing you to make it for me.

Just like the LA rioters had a choice to make - riot and kill a few unrelated people, or resolve the issue and expose on the coverup, concentrating on the source of it.

Originally posted by nenothtu
Should I riot, then, and kill a few unrelated people, or should I concentrate on resolving the issue and exposing the coverup? You decide for me - what is my proper course of action? What is justified? I have a choice to make here, and I'm allowing you to make it for me.

For all their rhetoric that violence is the only course of action, what are people like AnonymousFem and SecondAmendmentUser actually doing? Nothing; but it is a lot easier to act brave behind a computer screen than it is to act.

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Not negative, the cops tried to cover up their beaten of Rodney king.. And they were caught out of doing so, by erasing footage of them beating him.

And the riots were building up due to the fact the LAPD were notorious for their beatens of Blacks, Hispanics etc. Call me a lair all you want. I am entitled to my opinion as are you.

And another thing I did not try and cover it up. Anyone clicking the link would have read it the full account of what happened leading up to and after those riots. So you accusations are baseless.

Subject is:

MARINES TO OAKLAND POLICE: 'You Did This To My Brother'

Any updates on the Scott Olson's Condition?

Scott Olson was thrown the *&$^ out of the Marines for being a scumbag. He in no way represents the corps. The implication that he's some sort of "hero" and that the Marines are behind him in any way is disingenuous.

This little piece of crap received an "Other Than Honorable" discharge from the Corps. It means he was a dirtbag and was thrown out on his arse.

If you want to chose him as your poster boy, go ahead. It reflects nicely upon the occupy movement to lionize losers like him.

As an army vet, I am happy to see Olsen is doing better, and am even more pleased to see vets everywhere standing up for him. This man was doing what he felt was his duty long after his official service expired. That's what the oath we all take, regardless of service is all about.

I might not agree with everything the Occupy movement is saying, but in America, it's their damned right, even responsibility to express ouitrage, grievance, and disgust with a failing system, regardless of whether you agree or disagree. And as far as I'm concerned, 90% of the red tape and rules about demonstration permits/protest hours are complete unconstitutional BS, attempting to regulate a constitutional right in ways that have nothing to do with public health and safety or protection of bystanders. And there's alot of vets who seem to feel the same way, judging by the number coming out to protect the demonstrators from the cops. Who are enforcing laws that seem to conflict with the constitution and spirit America was founded under. How very interesting.

I know for a fact alot of military, past and present, are sick of both the conservatives and the liberals, and tired of finding out their asses are on the line for Exxon, BP, and Haliburton rather than the United States of America.

I am pleased to see Americans acting up and giving the system a slowly growing headache. Crap has been allowed to fester with corruption for far to long, things need to come to a head. We can't keep going on like this.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
As an army vet, I am happy to see Olsen is doing better, and am even more pleased to see vets everywhere standing up for him. This man was doing what he felt was his duty long after his official service expired. That's what the oath we all take, regardless of service is all about.

I might not agree with everything the Occupy movement is saying, but in America, it's their damned right, even responsibility to express ouitrage, grievance, and disgust with a failing system, regardless of whether you agree or disagree. And as far as I'm concerned, 90% of the red tape and rules about demonstration permits/protest hours are complete unconstitutional BS, attempting to regulate a constitutional right in ways that have nothing to do with public health and safety or protection of bystanders. And there's alot of vets who seem to feel the same way, judging by the number coming out to protect the demonstrators from the cops. Who are enforcing laws that seem to conflict with the constitution and spirit America was founded under. How very interesting.

I know for a fact alot of military, past and present, are sick of both the conservatives and the liberals, and tired of finding out their asses are on the line for Exxon, BP, and Haliburton rather than the United States of America.

I am pleased to see Americans acting up and giving the system a slowly growing headache. Crap has been allowed to fester with corruption for far to long, things need to come to a head. We can't keep going on like this.

So you received an "Other Than Honorable" discharge as well? Or do you fail to comprehend what that means? Scott Olson is a dirtbag and is NOT representative of those of us that served honorably. He's vile and if he's your hero, then it reflects on you.

I'm not sick of "conservatives and liberals" I'm sick of hippie communist socialist progressive scumbags that don't understand our constitution and have been brainwashed by their liberal arts professors (as a side note, I'm a physics professor now).

Liberty.

We have problems, but we have a constitution that's iron-clad and gives us a way to correct them. Ask Obama's DoJ about enforcing laws.... Eric Holder needs to be thrown in prison. Selective Enforcement isn't a policy, it's a crime.

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Are you sure you are refering to the correct person? There seems to be some doubt....

Link

I certainly don't know this person, but I wouldn't want to come out that aggressive when you aren't even sure if you are talking about the right person....

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Full honorable discharge, thank you. Normal time-served ETS.

The constitution ain't ironclad, it has been used as toilet paper by all three branches of government for the past several decades. It requires a willing and aware public to make sure the leaders follow it. Otherwise, well...here we are.

Conservatives and liberals have their own "picture" of the constitution that doesn't really quite gel with whats there. That's why it takes people with guts to stand up and remind our fearless leaders what it really says.

Originally posted by Montana
reply to post by tangonine

 

Are you sure you are refering to the correct person? There seems to be some doubt....

Link

I certainly don't know this person, but I wouldn't want to come out that aggressive when you aren't even sure if you are talking about the right person....

I'm referring to Scott Olson: founder of the now defunct (shoked!....but cached) website: IHateTheMarineCorps.com

Dirtbag.

NOT a Marine. Scumbag.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
reply to post by tangonine

 

Full honorable discharge, thank you. Normal time-served ETS.

The constitution ain't ironclad, it has been used as toilet paper by all three branches of government for the past several decades. It requires a willing and aware public to make sure the leaders follow it. Otherwise, well...here we are.

Conservatives and liberals have their own "picture" of the constitution that doesn't really quite gel with whats there. That's why it takes people with guts to stand up and remind our fearless leaders what it really says.

The constitution IS Iron-Clad. It's hippies like you that degrade it. There is no "Conservatives and liberals have their own picture" bullcrap. It's plainly written.

This dirtbag receive an "Other Than Honorable" discharge from the USMC

"fearless leaders"... are you kidding?

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Hippies, lol. Seriously, stop making assumptions based on things you don't know.

Other than honorable can mean alot of things. What does this have to do with anything?

The point? You've totally missed it, buddy. The constitution has been stomped on and violated by our supposedly elected officials in Washington D.C. It doesn't matter whether they claim left or right wing. they ignore it repeatedly, and create laws that violate it.

The constitution only stands if people get off their asses and defend it from all enemies, foreign and especially
domestic. Otherwise, if no one fights for it and makes sure it is followed, it is little more than a document on display. The constitution was designed to keep the politicians in check, not the people. Which is as it should be.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
reply to post by tangonine

 

Hippies, lol. Seriously, stop making assumptions based on things you don't know.

Other than honorable can mean alot of things. What does this have to do with anything?

The point? You've totally missed it, buddy. The constitution has been stomped on and violated by our supposedly elected officials in Washington D.C. It doesn't matter whether they claim left or right wing. they ignore it repeatedly, and create laws that violate it.

The constitution only stands if people get off their asses and defend it from all enemies, foreign and especially
domestic. Otherwise, if no one fights for it and makes sure it is followed, it is little more than a document on display. The constitution was designed to keep the politicians in check, not the people. Which is as it should be.

Agreed....and you have to question why some of the "members" here are against what the US Constitution and our Founding Fathers CLEARLY provided for in the Second Amendment ....the right to FORCIBLY REMOVE A TYRANNICAL GOV'T FROM POWER. WHEN THERE IS NO OTHER RECOURSE ...WE HAVE REACHED THAT POINT IN TIME.