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Originally posted by Afterthought
1. Would a transgender male be allowed to become a member of a Masonic Lodge?
2. If a woman was an Eastern Star and decided to undergo hormone therapy and other procedures to become a man, would she/he be allowed to become a Mason?
3. If a transgender male was already a member of a Masonic Lodge and it was later discovered that the man was actually a transgendered female, would they be forced out of the Lodge?
4. If a Mason declared that he was going to undergo treatment to become a woman, would he have to become an Eastern Star?
Have any Masons ever heard of this issue happening within a lodge or maybe this has already happened in your lodge? Have the lodges ever discussed this sort of topic?
Would certain rules have to be altered or new rules created to allow equality and block any type of discrimination?
Do you ever believe that it will come to a point where the Masons and Eastern Stars simply become all one lodge because of gender specific/identity issues?
Have any Masons ever heard of this issue happening within a lodge or maybe this has already happened in your lodge?
Do you ever believe that it will come to a point where the Masons and Eastern Stars simply become all one lodge because of gender specific/identity issues?
I can't really see 1-ish% of the population driving the agenda for Freemasonry, especially given the demographic unlikelihood of their ever becoming Masons in the first place.
Originally posted by Afterthought
First, thanks for offering your personal account of this happening within your lodge and the outcome.
I have to admit though that I do feel a bit bad for the person since they probably really did want to keep attending, but the majority voted and there's not much that can be said after that is concluded and decided. We all make choices in life and have to suffer the consequences -- especially when they're not in our favor. Alas, we must do what makes us happy first, then deal with the rest as it comes.
PDDGM?
It's such an ancient (if this is the proper term) association
that I wouldn't see many changes being implimented for so few persons.
The Chevalier d�Eon is a mysterious and remarkable character, but he was not a �woman� Freemason. It seems highly probable that this peculiar person (born 1728 was partially an hermaphrodite, feminine in appearance, if sufficiently masculine in nature to become a distinguished soldier and one of the best swordsmen in France. In spite of a pronouncement by a court of law that �he� was a woman, his male sex was definitely proved after his death. This is more remarkable, as after a masculine career of some distinction (which included being made a Mason in London) he voluntarily admitted that �he� was a woman, and lived as such for thirty-three years.!
The world believed him at the time, and great was the stir caused by the thought that a regular Lodge had �made a Mason of a woman.� Postmortem examination restored confidence; the best explanation of his odd life is that he was insane; the worst which may be thought of him as a �woman� is that he deceived the world, Masonic and profane alike, for many years.
Originally posted by Afterthought
Is this a true story? Have any of you ever heard of him before?
If it's true, it's quite fascinating and I'm amazed that a similar issue as the one discussed here happened so long ago.
Charles-Geneviève-Louis-Auguste-André-Timothée d'Éon de Beaumont (5 October 1728 Tonnerre - 21 May 1810 London), usually known as the Chevalier d'Éon, was a French diplomat, spy, soldier and Freemason whose first 49 years were spent as a man, and whose last 33 years were spent as a woman. Upon death, a council of physicians discovered that d'Éon's body was anatomically male.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
reply to post by HardToStarboard
I think it instances like that it would not be an issue. I think that the Orginal Poster was refering more to people who make a gender decision later in life due to sexual preferences, however I could be wrong.
Originally posted by HardToStarboard
...but you'd brought up the aspect of medical reconstruction and that sort of begged the question of what I brought up.
a Lodge would never ask "At any point in your life ... have you had a vagina?"
Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female:
one in 100 births
Total number of people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance:
one or two in 1,000 births