Israeli air raids on Gaza Strip

An Israeli army spokesman confirmed that aircraft had "attacked three terrorist sites in the Gaza Strip as well as an arms factory in the south of the territory".

A rocket was fired from the Gaza Strip late on Wednesday at an area near Ashdod in southern Israel, without causing any casualties, a military spokeswoman said earlier.

The firing of the Grad rocket and the subsequent air raids were the first incidents since Israel and Hamas reached an agreement last week under which Israel agreed to release 1,027 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for its captured soldier Gilad Shalit.

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Well not much news yet but I hope this is a one off incident and not a start to more trouble leading up to the UN vote on 11th Nov..
I certainly don't understand why Hamas or any other Palestinian would do this with what's currently going on.

Also note there were no casualties in Israel from the one rocket but no word yet on casualties or damage from Israel's three air raids..

Let's hope calmer heads prevail.

we'll just take the word of the israeli military that someone in gaza fired a bottle rocket at israel.

now that shalit is safe, it's open season on palestinians in the gaza strip.

hopefully, when palestine is declared a state under military occupation by 99% of the world, excluding of course the u.s., israel and their pets, canada, great britain, australia and south africa, a firecracker or roman candle celebrating statehood doesn't stray into israel and light a remote patch of dried grass on fire.

that's all the excuse the israeli's need to carpet bomb gaza non stop for 72 hrs and launch artillery shells at supermarkets trying to get a "militant".

hopefully a little palestinian girl waving a sparkle stick doesn't get shot. because to an israeli that's white phosphorous and it's enough to get herself targeted as a militant.

just as figured.. release 1000 and then go in and start killing everyone again.. Right on schedule ..

Hmmm

They fired 1 rocket, and Israel does 3 air raids...........interesting......

Youd think with those odds Hamas would get the picture...........

define "occupation"?
I don't understand how people continue to argue that Gaza and the West Bank are occupied... when Israel unilaterally withdrew...?

Eye for an eye in Israel clearly means you fired a rocket with no causalities so we'll air raid the # out of you. Who knew that was in the bible?

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Hmmm

They fired 1 rocket, and Israel does 3 air raids...........interesting......

Youd think with those odds Hamas would get the picture...........

Yes, you do have to question Hamas motives for sure.

Will be interesting to see if they claim responsibility for the rocket launch..

Originally posted by Awen24
define "occupation"?
I don't understand how people continue to argue that Gaza and the West Bank are occupied... when Israel unilaterally withdrew...?

Are you denying that Israel still controls much of what happens in Gaza??

if you're talking in terms of supplying it with power and basic amenities, then no, I don't deny that - but you're assuming that they actually have a responsibility to do so by implying occupation.

I'd argue that they have no responsibility to provide such things to Gaza, the West Bank, or anywhere else for that matter... so again, how does that equal occupation?

Occupation, as per Webster's:

The action, state, or period of occupying or being occupied by military force

- the Roman occupation of Britain
- the Nazi occupation

there is no Israeli military presence in Gaza or the West Bank, hence no occupation.

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germans weren't in every little city, town and farm in france, but no one denies the germans occupied france.

they're just in the outskirts in gaza, and the armed forts and outposts that they call "settlements" that dot the west bank landscape are backed by the full might of the israeli military and are illegally occupying palestinian land.

and there are israeli soldiers all over the west bank. that's a flat out lie that's there's no military presence in the west bank.

not to mention when they kick out hundreds of palestinians in the arab parts of jerusalem, bull doze their homes, then construct houses in which only israeli's can live in and own, is a violation of basic human dignity and rights.

it's no different than the south african whites did to black people in johannesburg. so keep waving your israel is the best flag.

Originally posted by randomname
reply to post by Awen24

 

germans weren't in every little city, town and farm in france, but no one denies the germans occupied france.

Yet in contrast, the Israelis are not in Gaza at all.

they're just in the outskirts in gaza

...evidence?

and the armed forts and outposts that they call "settlements" that dot the west bank landscape are backed by the full might of the israeli military and are illegally occupying palestinian land.

This is where you differ. You claim this to be Palestinean land. The Israelis do not. This, despite being a point of contention, does not amount to occupation.

not to mention when they kick out hundreds of palestinians in the arab parts of jerusalem, bull doze their homes, then construct houses in which only israeli's can live in and own, is a violation of basic human dignity and rights.

they've done this to their OWN citizens too... does this mean that Israel is illegally occupying Israeli homes too? How confusing!

it's no different than the south african whites did to black people in johannesburg. so keep waving your israel is the best flag.

Diisputing claims of occupation doesn't equate to claiming that "Israel is the best".
Many of Israel's recent decision-making has been beyond flawed... foolish, even... and at times particularly ill-advised. They are not beyond reproach more than anyone else. But again, making bad decisions, even being a villain in the piece, if that's how you wish to view them, does not amount to occupation.

reply to post by Awen24

This is where you differ. You claim this to be Palestinean land. The Israelis do not. This, despite being a point of contention, does not amount to occupation.

Only a few Israeli's believe that..
The rest of the world and many Israeli's believe it is Palestinian land..

Originally posted by backinblack

Will be interesting to see if they claim responsibility for the rocket launch..

well yes because it won't be the first time the IDF have been caught using home made fire works.

God must truly be in the side of the jews because few of these attacks hit home and spare the crap about the security being so good, it does not wash and Israel must be stopped from murdering people and then talking about them all being terrorists and it's time the USA removed them 200 illegal nukes you gave these religious nut jobs because a time might come where you loss control

reply to post by Awen24

This is where you differ. You claim this to be Palestinean land. The Israelis do not. This, despite being a point of contention, does not amount to occupation.

Well everyone else on earth disagrees with you sir, INCLUDING ISRAEL which they later denied of course

The Israeli-occupied territories are the territories which have been designated as occupied territory by the United Nations and other international organizations, governments and others to refer to the territory seized by Israel during the Six-Day War of 1967 from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. They consist of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and much of the Golan Heights and, until 1982, the Sinai Peninsula. The West Bank and Gaza Strip are also referred to as the Palestinian territories or Occupied Palestinian Territory. The Palestinian Authority, the EU,[1] and the UN Security Council[2] consider East Jerusalem to be part of the West Bank, a position disputed by Israel. Israel has annexed East Jerusalem by the Jerusalem Law. Israel prefers the term "disputed territories" in the case of the West Bank.[3][4]

The Israeli position is that Gaza is no longer occupied, inasmuch as Israel does not exercise effective control or authority over any land or institutions in the Gaza Strip.[31][32] Foreign Affairs Minister of Israel Tzipi Livni stated in January, 2008: “Israel got out of Gaza. It dismantled its settlements there. No Israeli soldiers were left there after the disengagement.”[33] Israel also notes that Gaza does not belong to any sovereign state. Immediately after Israel withdrew in 2005, Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas stated, "the legal status of the areas slated for evacuation has not changed."[31] Human Rights Watch also contested that this ended the occupation.[34][35] The United Nations, Human Rights Watch and many other international bodies and NGOs continues to consider Israel to be the occupying power of the Gaza Strip as Israel controls Gaza Strip's airspace, territorial waters and controls the movement of people or goods in or out of Gaza by air or sea.[9][10][11]

Source

So lets recap.

nothing gets into Gaza without Israels approval, and they don't approve much
Nothing and no one leaves Gaza without Israels approval, and they don't approve much
Gaza is surrounded by IDF forces and monitored 24/7 but sniper towers
Water and electricity, fuel and other necessities only get into Gaza when Israel allows them.

So yes, if you want to act like a douche and argue semantics, no, Israel isn't "occupying" Gaza in so much as it isn't a constant boots on the ground occupation.

Sure, they aren't occupying Gaza, just every square inch around it completely isolating them from the rest of the world.

And they've become experts at it. Oh, no need to "occupy" the area, just illegally build settlements closer and closer, pushing those people further away, and then refer to the new land as being part of "Greater Israel"

their only justification being the bible said this is their land some thousands of years ago. Which is pure fantasy to being with, but then they say the Arabs have no right of return because it's been 50+ years. So, since people are still alive today that were thrown out of their homes by Israel can't come back because it's been 50+ years, what claim does Israel have when the only "proof" is a story in the bible that might have taken place thousands of years ago?

Religious or not, you should be extremely worried when a government runs it's country based on their interpretation of a religious text. We're actively killing Muslims all over the planet because of this.

The logic you guys use to justify what Israel has done and is doing is mind boggling to the point that I just refuse to believe you actually believe this crap any more that I do.

reply to post by Master_007

it's time the USA removed them 200 illegal nukes you gave these religious nut jobs because a time might come where you loss control

The US didn't supply those nukes. nuclear material and technology was STOLEN and given to Israel who then built the Dimona nuclear reactor site and the clandestine nuclear weapons program that lies underneath it as evidenced by a VERY brave Israeli who secretly released photos of this plant to the world.

That's right, Israel, the country who bombed a nuclear reactor in Iraq, desperately wants to bomb one in Iran, and I think they bombed one in Syria, is itself running and illegal clandestine nuclear weapons program. They refuse to sign the NPT (Iran signed it) and have been caught trying to export and sell nuclear weapons to south africa.

reply to post by Awen24

FYI

There are disagreements over what the Palestinian territories should be called.

The United Nations, the International Court of Justice, the European Union, International Committee of the Red Cross and the government of the United Kingdom all refer to the "Occupied Palestinian Territories"

en.wikipedia.org...

But I guess we should all just listen to what a few Israelis think instead..

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But I guess we should all just listen to what a few Israelis think instead.

Indeed, because as they would teach you in Israel if you were Jewish, you are the only humans on earth, all non jews, goyim, gentiles, whatever you call them, are cattle to be used and slaughtered by them. I wish I was making this up.

That said, only a fringe group in Israel actually believes that nonsense, but those are the ones going out running over kids in the streets.

Over a million Israelis attended that Peace Now rally years back. That's over a million Israelis, probably mostly Jewish, who support ending the occupation.

Why should we listen to the minority of people in the middle east's "only democracy" ?

Go on Israel, release that Iron Dome you've been promising your citizens for so long. That would have taken out this small rocket no problem.

I'm not sure who in Gaza is stupid enough to fire into Israel at the moment, but i seriouosly doubt it was Hamas. There's plenty of other pissed off Palestinian groups that could have done it. I reckon Hamas take responsibility for a lot they've got nothing to do with just to make them appear more of a threat than they are. I'm sure they're also smart enough not to waste a rocket that was probably very expensive and difficult to get into the country by firing it at open ground

But man, talk about overkill response! Updated news reports now say 4 targets. How many innocents have the murdered now? Oh yeah that's right Palestinians are all terrorists in their (and their supporter's) eyes.

Not surpisingly all news reports are from the Israeli side. Lets be glad no one was hurt or killed by the rocket and pray no innocent Palestinians have been murdered in retaliation.

Israel already has deployed a couple of iron dome batteries but they arent everywhere.

reply to post by Awen24


you want proof that israeli's are on the outskirts of gaza, google the nest of sniper towers they have surrounding gaza, the barbed wire and fences they have blocking 90% of the beachfront in gaza and to the total superiority of the air space over gaza.

when the military controls the airspace above you, the ports and access to the sea beside you and control over your border points, then i not only call that an occupation, i call that a siege.

you still don't believe me gaza is occupied, ask the turks who dared bring aid to the people in gaza and where massacred in international waters before they even had a chance to make it to the "unoccupied" waters around gaza.