Whats your problem with OWS, and why dont you help?

reply to post by BlackSol


Yet again someone who has no clue. We are targeting the money men at Wall Street, The Federal Reserve as that is who is actually behind this entire crud.

Stop blaming the puppet as they can replace the puppet a hundered times over and it won't matter, delete the influence from banks and then and only then will you see real change.

They all are bought and sold by the same groups so it doesn't matter who we elect, they will still be owned by the banks. It's a 2 headed hydra, cut off one head the other remains, kill the body the hydra dies.

These are disorganized protests. In the 60s you would be trained in the methods of peaceful protest, leaving the police without any provocation, thereby making police the bad guys. Today, with violence in the protestors, the police have the upper hand and are being allowed to fight force with force.

The reason I do not participate is because it is not a peaceful protest, properly done. The violence gives a risk of injury or death by cop.

When the protests are coordinated and peaceful, with a set of demands that can be met, there will be significant support.

At this point, it looks like a lot of upset homeless people.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


So buttercup, I have no clue because I think the people that actually make the laws should be held accountable?

Well, I bow to your superior intellect. I simply answered the original question, only to be attacked by someone who thinks anyone with a differing opinion has "no clue".

reply to post by BlackSol


What you are doing is blaming the puppet, all roads lead to Wall Street!

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


Wall Street wouldn't have any power if the criminals in congress didn't give it to them.

BTW, if I am so clueless why do you bother coming down off of your lofty perch to interact with someone as unworthy as myself?

reply to post by BlackSol


Follow the money, those that finance the campaigns are Wall Street. Wall Street controls Congress and not the other way around.

To hope to enlighten you to show you and everyone here to break free from the control they yield over us so that we all come together united as fellow Countrymen!

The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 tipped the balance of power into the hands of the bankers and Wall Street and look at where it has gotten us now.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

The time for discussion and conversation is over as it has gotten us all absolutely nowhere forward but about 10 steps back. This is fact. When more then a dozen people are telling you that you are in fact wrong it is time to step back and re-examine your view upon this and realize once and for all that the majority here are correct and you are the one who is wrong.

So, no more debate, no more differing opinion.

Let's just shut it down because YOU say so. Because your MOB says so.
Yep. Just because ten people are saying something to me doesn't mean they are all correct.
It just means there's a mob of ten people trying to pigeonhole me, like you are, into accepting their way of thinking.

You people are nothing but bullies.

A movement started by anti-capitalist AdBusters, and supported by ideological organizations who's philosophy is incompatible with the US Constitution, is not something I will accept.

Listen, as long as your group is ACCEPTING endorsement from SPUSA, CPUSA, the American Nazi Party(The actual one), and a plethora of radical leftist organizations well, then you're going to continue to receive criticism from people like me.

Like it, or not.

Originally posted by BlackSol
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

So buttercup, I have no clue because I think the people that actually make the laws should be held accountable?

Well, I bow to your superior intellect. I simply answered the original question, only to be attacked by someone who thinks anyone with a differing opinion has "no clue".

Go on any OWS related thread. It is their M.O.
Insults, followed by mindless repetition of their own talking points.
It is pointless to try to change the mind of an ideologue.
What you can do is expose the logical inconsistency, the fantasy that its not agenda driven, and the thuggish and collective nature of the OWS internet brownshirts to those that are well intentioned but might be buying off on some of the propaganda. Don't fall for their baited personal attacks. Stay on target. Or, better yet, since "the movement" is already fading (very short attention span, these younguns), don't even sweat it. They still have some good old fashioned UFO threads on here.

I do love how a thread specifically asking members why they don't support "the movement" gets targeted by the aforementioned brownshirts. They act like they are being attacked when someone merely answers the title question of the OP. Sloppy agit-prop.

reply to post by radosta


It was simply a tactic to draw the opposition in and jump on top of them.

You're not allowed to be against the Holy OWS. Just like you weren't allowed to be against the once Holy Obama.

reply to post by projectvxn


Still trying to issue blatant lies about this movement I see! When will you ever learn? Failure to read and understand what I am saying below means you lack common sense and will spew anything the lamestream media tells you to.

To those that know the truth I apologize for re-posting this constantly but apparently the message seems to get lost because certain nameless individuals cannot see the truth for themselves!

There is no individual founder. We are not representative by the political beliefs of our partner firms and are in NO WAY, SHAPE, SENSE OR FORM a declaration of political allegiance.

I give not a toss for what you or anyone thinks about this as this is the only thing that matters. If we wanted to be a leftist group we would've aligned ourselves firmly with the Dems but that has yet to occur and will not occur.

WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY BILLIONAIRE AS WELL AS ANY POLITICAL PARTY!

You are not a billionaire or a trillionaire so to the people you are sitting here defending do not give a toss for you, your family, your friends or anyone you know. They see you as collateral damage. They own you and by refusing to join up means you've already surrendered your Constitutional rights to The SCUM! To them you are their slave. More then 150,000,000 Americans stand united with this group and the numbers grow by the hour.

No other movement in recent memory has ever been this large. This movement has totally eclipsed that of The Tea Party, The 9/11 Truth Movement, The Anti 43 Rallies, The Vietnam protests combined. This is the largest protest since the Civil Rights Era. Every single time one of our camps is attacked our numbers grow, every report of police brutality this movement grows. Day or week long campouts have occurred in the past but none had the impact nor reach of this one.

STRONG EMPHASIS UPON THE FOLLOWING AND CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH :
Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites. Got it? Adbusters does not speak for us, Tides does not speak for us, no union speaks for us, The American Socialist Party does not speak for us, The Communist Party does not speak for us neither does any group you dream up of tomorrow! We speak for ourselves!

Hook, line, sinker, SUNK yet again!

Care to try again?

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


Adbusters starts OWS

Blatant lies?

socialistparty-usa.org...



WHITEHONOR.com

Many racialists are unsure about, and even against, these Occupy Wall Street protests all around the country. It has been pointed out to me that many protesters are non-white and/or “communists.” Well my answer to that is: “WHO CARES?!” They are against the same evil, corrupted, degenerate capitalist elitists that WE are against! Instead of screaming, “6 million more!” The pro-white movementites should be JOINING this Occupy movement and supporting it!

Seriously people, just WHO is our enemy? The unemployed left-wing 25-year-old holding up a sign, OR the judeo-capitalist banksters who swindled the American taxpayers out of A TRILLION dollars in the “bailout” scam AND continue to oppress the White Working Class?!? Even Adolf Hitler’s NSDAP had to vote with open communists on some issues to achieve their goals.

Yep...It's all just lies.

This all seems to be welcomed by OWS. As long as your little group ACCEPTS the ENDORSEMENTS then you are allowing them to speak for you.

reply to post by projectvxn


Do you not read or do you just skip over the items you don't want to deal with?

STRONG EMPHASIS UPON THE FOLLOWING AND CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH :
Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites. Got it? Adbusters does not speak for us, Tides does not speak for us, no union speaks for us, The American Socialist Party does not speak for us, The Communist Party does not speak for us neither does any group you dream up of tomorrow! We speak for ourselves!

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


Nope. I read every word. Repeating things doesn't make you right.

reply to post by projectvxn


Repeating facts means nothing? Got it, you are a shill and a paid plant of the banks. Earlier in this thread you were attacking people because they didn't agree with you.

You have added nothing concrete nor constructive to the entire OWS threads but to serve to attack the movement further by issuing lies.

You have provided nothing but attacks. Until you put Country above everything but God I will consider listening to you but continue down this path and you will not be taken seriously.

What I had posted 3 of my posts back is not just another opinion but is fact! Can't handle the truth as usual as this is the 6th thread in the last week that I've defeated you on yet you insist on winning. When America wins we all win!

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

Got it, you are a shill and a paid plant of the banks.

You are such a delusional person.

You exemplify everything wrong with this mob mentality movement called OWS.

This is my last post here. Enjoy your delusional little world.

reply to post by projectvxn


You are trying to lump us up as being a leftist organization and we are the furthest things from being a leftist organization.

A rep from MoveOn attended my event yesterday and we told him that we are not a Democratic or GOP entity and want nothing to do with them. Dude's demeanor dropped!

Hook, line, sinker SUNK yet again!

reply to post by cheftim59


IF I were the protesting type, (which I'm not), and IF I were in a city where I had the choice to protest, (which I'm not), I'd answer something like this:

1. It came out of the blue, and STILL has no clear and defined message.

2. Even with the movement to gain momentum with a clear and defined message, there is no clear and defined way of executing those demands, except through sheer annoyance and violence, masked as "peaceful protesting". Even then, there is no guarantee change will occur.

3. There are far more respectable ways of forcing change, than living in unsanitary conditions for weeks on end.

WHAT...DO...THEY...WANT??? And how do they want it? To date, I've yet to see a unified answer to this question. I see the problem just like everyone else, and I know what "I" would like to see changed, but that's me.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Do you not read or do you just skip over the items you don't want to deal with?

STRONG EMPHASIS UPON THE FOLLOWING AND CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH :
Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites. Got it? Adbusters does not speak for us, Tides does not speak for us, no union speaks for us, The American Socialist Party does not speak for us, The Communist Party does not speak for us neither does any group you dream up of tomorrow! We speak for ourselves!

Wow. Not exactly a free movement there, pal. Only the doctrines of the official party are acceptable, I guess. Sounds like true tolerance to me.
You can't talk out of one side of your mouth and say that this isn't a movement driven by specific ideology and then from the other side of your mouth say that only the official party line is acceptable.

Pick one. If your movement draws in communists, nazis, leftists, etc, there is a reason for it. If you don't want them, don't make your "free" movement such a magnet for extremists. By the by, I find it hard to believe that the very organization that planned and created OWS can't speak for it. Oh, my bad, that's part of the obvious propaganda.

reply to post by Gseven


You were saying?

The Declaration Of The General Assembly Of #OWS

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.

Adopted, voted on and passed September 29, 2011!

reply to post by radosta


The left, the Socialists, The Communists are trying to impose their will and are trying to speak for us but no one speaks for us but us.

This is the official stances :
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Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites.
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