Whats your problem with OWS, and why dont you help?

reply to post by cheftim59


Because I don't identify with their politics? Just because someone is "against" the government (most are only "against" the Republican Party) does not mean all people that are likewise "against" the government will follow them. It's their solution that matters. Their solution to the problems at hand is a larger more powerful and centralized government. My solution is limit government and cut it back. Therefore since we all seem to have an issue with government, but the ideology for a solution is vastly different, polar opposites even, there cannot be a compromise. There is an arrogance with OWS protesters though with the "we are 99%" mentality.. fine.

I'm the 53%.

53% that pays income tax that is...

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Man, all you have is name calling. You find it impossible to have a civil conversation AT ALL.

Seriously I'm done with you.

reply to post by projectvxn


You don't appear to have much in the way of counter arguments other than your opinion and you rarely address what others say..

Not really my idea of a debate.

reply to post by backinblack


Barricade?

No one is being stopped from going home.

reply to post by backinblack


I did address the points made.

I have my OWN opinion on how I see things.

Isn't that what this type is discussion is?

Or are opinions that agree with each other the only ones welcome?

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by backinblack

 

Barricade?

No one is being stopped from going home.

What????
They fenced some in totally and the only exits were into the hands of the cops and an arrest..

You need to read a little more.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Because generally the OWS protests lean towards "the left,"at least by the dynamics of US politics.

This, according to a majority of ATS posters, makes them "the enemy." That's... honestly all there is to it.

Yeah, I have a hard time understanding this phenomenon.

I consider myself "center-right" by the dynamics of EU politics and I often disagree with leftists... but reason demands to atleast listen to my "enemies" and agree with them when they are right about something.

If you can't look beyond the boundaries of partisanship then I'm afraid your precious country is doomed.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by backinblack

 

I did address the points made.

I have my OWN opinion on how I see things.

Isn't that what this type is discussion is?

Or are opinions that agree with each other the only ones welcome?

edit on 27-10-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

You didn't address my post about what the protesters are really protesting about IMO..
All you did was bring up marx..

Is that really discussing it

reply to post by ColCurious


The thing is to many in America, being "centre right" in Europe would make you a liberal in their eyes. The bar to what is considered right has been pushed to such an extreme

reply to post by backinblack


The protesters are protesting two things I agree with. Too much power of banks, and revolving door politics.

That's about where our similarities cease.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


And the bar for the left is where?

Redistribution of wealth, punishing wealth creation with punitive taxation, and more entitlements.

Also screw corporate socialism...Unless it's "green corporations".

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by backinblack

 

The protesters are protesting two things I agree with. Too much power of banks, and revolving door politics.

That's about where our similarities cease.

Much better, thanks.

Wow. Im only gonna say this will never, never happen in 5 or 10 years even. Its great bringing attention to all this. This is good. Its great even. Its about time.

But the systems to PAY for all these changes will take years and years of all our lives to change them. And government and gets money from Wall Street and Wall Street plays by the laws made there. To change these laws many, many more elections and Presidencies will have to occur before society sees any change. Our kids will see it perhaps...but within a few months. days, weeks whatever....most folks, students, workers and protesters wil return home to their work, families and mortgages and/or unemployment checks.

No one can stay out in the streets for long and leave the homes and families alone. Life goes on. The best thing that can happen with all of this, is bringing attention to how we all feel. But soon, we will all be back to our daily lives, and nothing will have changed as yet.

It will take a very, very long time, and many many days, weeks, hours, months, years and administrations, presidencies, new laws, regulations, committees etc.

I wish all well.....

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

Man, all you have is name calling. You find it impossible to have a civil conversation AT ALL.

Seriously I'm done with you.

Really? Okay, let me get this straight. I'm a radical socialist-communist who wants things handed to me by government because some collectivist convinced them all that their liberal arts degree is a human right, and that if I smoke a pack of cigarettes a day for 30 years and get cancer that it is my right for others to pay for my mistakes, who is furthermore waiting for the reincarnation of Karl Marx and hates America...

And you are butthurt over "namecalling"?

Here's some namecalling: You're an intellectual coward. When presented with someone who actually knows more about hte stuff you're trying (Rather poorly) to talk about, you tuck tail and haul ass, throwing out some sniveling manchild crap about how mean the other person is.

So. Again. The words you are throwing around randomly have useful meanings. learn what they mean if you plan to use them in a discussion. Further, try to avoid taking positions counter to your previous positions in a discussion, unless you plan to account for your change of opinion. present arguments for your position, or hell, even against others - this is different from just throwing out a bunch of random blather gleaned from an assortment of talking points. And lastly, when someone offers to explain their position to you, maybe you should take it. even if you don't agree, you MIGHT learn something.

It's clear to me, from your responses in this thread, that you really have no intellectual basis for your position; rather you are indulging in a reactionary knee-jerk, "they're on the left and I hate the left so I hate them," and clearly have no intention of even attempting to become more informed. Your purpose here seems to me to be simple brainless ranting, based more in some random buzzwords than any actual position.

In other words... you're pretty much proving my initial post on this thread to be spot-on.

As the broad brush paints the wall in a monotone colour, some people will only see exactly what they want to see and only that which will serve to reinforce their own beliefs. They deliberately blind themselves to all else and refuse to look with anything but their political eye. Some still think that this is just in New York, some think it is only in the U.S..

It's a social movement, not a socialist movement, and it's worldwide. This has never happened before, and some don't know how to face it. No matter how badly people want to pigeonhole it into a nice neat little political label, it is not a political movement. Still, they will try to inject their politics into it.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Yep.

There you go again.

No class what so ever.

I know what collectivists believe in. I hear it all the time.

You can call me a coward all you want, but I won't be bullied into joining a leftist movement just because you want to scream and yell about how just it all is.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


All i need to know about this movement is the following:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

That tell me everything I need to know about this movement and what it's ideological roots are. You may THINK you know it all.

But I don't have a problem letting you think that.

reply to post by johnb


200,000 really? You must of been in a different dimension. Two of my manufacturers live there and they said at most 50k. 200k would be like a swarm of locus. There would be nothing left. No wonder why the police showed up.

Unless I see an Sky view of a protest I'm never going to believe anyone of these protest here or there have six digits. Especially seeing how Rome has 3 Million People.

”Only a Sith deals in absolutes.”
~ Obi-Wan Kenobi

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

Yep.

There you go again.

No class what so ever.

It's because I hate America and smoke cigarettes hoping to collect big, thirty years down the line. Yup, you're on to me.

I know what collectivists believe in. I hear it all the time.

Apparently not from the "collectivists" themselves, given how, well, completely uninformed you seem to be about it all.

You can call me a coward all you want,

So long as you persist.

but I won't be bullied into joining a leftist movement just because you want to scream and yell about how just it all is.

You're already part of it. That you are too afraid of what the neighbors might think if you suddenly started finding common ground with "leftists" doesn't change this.

You are an American. The system your nation operates under has been lethally compromised. The men and women in office - both the ones you personally voted for and the ones you didn't - have been bought by entities that harbor no responsibility to you. These entities have, through bribery and media influence, changed the body of law in our nation to benefit themselves, at your expense, through all three branches of government.

You choose to do nothing about this, because you're afraid of associating with "leftists." That's fine. But your fear and your willing lack of information does not change where you stand in the dynamic in this nation - you're down here at the bottom with the rest of us, getting # on by the same people you - for whatever reasons - seem to be in a rush to defend (my guess to the reason - leftists oppose them so you, of course, must love them.)

Participate or don't. You'll be a beneficiary either way. We win, your standards of life will improve. we lose, well, they'll keep going down and you can keep blaming those chain-smoking, America-hating leftists and their art degrees.