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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by nenothtu
What is it about the following that you do not understand? :
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by nenothtu
Reagan was a democrat until 1962, when he switched parties at age 51.
You were saying something about "preposterous"?
It is pretty evident he was a closet republican.
You have to be right wing to be a friend of the military industrial complex......
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The world suffers from this and nothing else. It is what mussolini hated and what he and hitler fought against. EVIL CAPITALISM! Unfortunately they lost and capitalism won. Damm churchill, roosevelt and stalin! All three of them were elitist puppets.
Under facism you get true socialism. That is why hitler hated communists, gypsies, jews AND ESPECIALLY CAPITALISTS! He had an obsession lobbing missiles into england but the obsession that cost the world greatly was the jewish holocaust.
The jews never forget, do they? They THINK they own the world, but they will lose everything. It has nothing to do with zionism either. Get a clue people!!!
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by nenothtu
Don't look now - the Federal Reserve is and has always been privatized, right from it's inception. Ditto the Postal Service. Look it up. The TSA and indeed ALL of Homeland Security should be abolished, as should the federal Reserve. Again, I give less than a damn about the GOP, or what they want.
So why are you not with the 99% who denounce the same things you denounce
You sit here whining like a child, when you should be out in the streets raising hell.
Something about people like you strikes me odd, but I can't put my finger on it...
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The world suffers from this and nothing else. It is what mussolini hated and what he and hitler fought against. EVIL CAPITALISM! Unfortunately they lost and capitalism won. Damm churchill, roosevelt and stalin! All three of them were elitist puppets.
Under facism you get true socialism. That is why hitler hated communists, gypsies, jews AND ESPECIALLY CAPITALISTS! He had an obsession lobbing missiles into england but the obsession that cost the world greatly was the jewish holocaust.
The jews never forget, do they? They THINK they own the world, but they will lose everything. It has nothing to do with zionism either. Get a clue people!!!
Unholy Mother of Marduk!
It's good to know where you stand and who your heroes are.
You're one of the ones who thinks OWS is a good thing, right?
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by nenothtu
Don't look now - the Federal Reserve is and has always been privatized, right from it's inception. Ditto the Postal Service. Look it up. The TSA and indeed ALL of Homeland Security should be abolished, as should the federal Reserve. Again, I give less than a damn about the GOP, or what they want.
So why are you not with the 99% who denounce the same things you denounce
The "99%" is a myth, a false dichotomy designed in furtherance of a "class war". There IS no "99%" other than in the rhetoric of the collectivists, as an effort to press gang more numbers into their collective. It's nothing more than a catch phrase, an attempt to re-draw the lines to draft more unwilling participants into their own camp. It's a sort of gerrymandering.
If instead you mean OWS, they may be against some of the same things I am against, but they are not for any of the things I am for. I am not about to make common cause with them in taking on the things I am against, since I know what happens to those who help collectivists after the victory is gained and the counter-revolutions begin.
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by nenothtu
1. If you got sick pre 2010 they could drop you and there'd be nothing you could do about it! The GOP ended the National Insurance Exchange that would've lowered costs across the board.
2. No one is forcing you to get coverage if you already have coverage
3. No it does not because for nearly 50 years we've been having insurance for all lies get dangled in front of us with no plan be brought forth. The plan is far from perfect but is to serve as a stepping stone. The current plan is not the final one.
4. The insurance lobby got that in so the blame lies directly at them.
5. The plan to mass exodus from the banks ongoing currently is helping us starve them. Starve those insurance firms that put profits before people and watch how quick they reverse the course.
6. To take care of your fellow human is a fundamental right of every human being.
To turn your back on people means you are out for yourself and flip everyone else. This exact thinking has caused a whole mess of our problems, Since when it is a crime to want to take care of our fellow humanbeing?
7. The Fed became privatized in 1913 and will be nationalized after 2013.
Post 2
I know it cuts both was but even you have got to admit that there is racism in the TP.
Post 3
See my reply post to this.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Yes I think america and the rest of the world needs socialism. Capitalism is the private ownership of all the means of production making you a slave to those monopolies. I much prefer working for a public monopoly that every citizen of the nation theoretically owns a share in.
Nazism/Facism had its bad points such as the holocaust and invasion of european nations but at that time every nation was under a monarchy and atlantic europeans were colonising the globe. The central and eastern europeans were choked out of the markets. Germany had suffered a humbling defeat in ww1, had rampant inflation, unemployment, lack of raw materials, etc thus was primed for war. Too many people are ignorant of all those details when they bash germany, italy and japan.
As for OWS it is anti-greed and what it evolves to later is anyone's guess. There is no reason for me to have any reservations at this point because any outcome except for communism would be a huge plus. You can disagree all you want. It makes no difference to me.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Yes I think america and the rest of the world needs socialism. Capitalism is the private ownership of all the means of production making you a slave to those monopolies. I much prefer working for a public monopoly that every citizen of the nation theoretically owns a share in.
What difference does it make who has the monopoly? It won't be you, so you're just trading one Master for another. Don't give me that collectivist crap about how "the People" have the monopoly. That's BS. Someone else is making the decisions that run YOUR life.
Just another Master, and you're willingly embracing it. What difference one Monopolist Master over another?
Originally posted by nenothtu
"Had it's bad points"? Seriously? that's like saying AIDS has some negativity attached to it. Evil is evil.
"Every nation was under a monarchy"? Seriously, What universe were you living in at the time? It sure wasn't this one. Maybe your local country was a monarchy - I don't know, not knowing what country that is - but "every nation" was most certainly NOT.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
You sound just like projectvxn with his hate for communism. Have you been abused by them?
I think it is extremely dishonest on your part to continue labeling socialists as communists and it does get aggraviting having to refute the same point again and again and again and again and again.
I know people who had a fear of flying getting over their phobia but some hardcore "free capitalists" seem doomed.
Yeah keep telling yourself you are not part of the elitists while promising guerilla insurgencies.
Are you part of the cia that has been installing right wing dictatorships in south america? Just curious...............
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by nenothtu
"Had it's bad points"? Seriously? that's like saying AIDS has some negativity attached to it. Evil is evil.
"Every nation was under a monarchy"? Seriously, What universe were you living in at the time? It sure wasn't this one. Maybe your local country was a monarchy - I don't know, not knowing what country that is - but "every nation" was most certainly NOT.
Most countries DID HAVE monarchies in europe before the national socialists took over and started conquering the opposition. Why would you claim otherwise I have no idea. Either you are ignorant of history or you are here to troll.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
You sound just like projectvxn with his hate for communism. Have you been abused by them?
You could say that, I suppose. I returned my share of abuse right back to them, and will continue to do so until I am dead and gone.
Then my kids will carry on where I left off.
Where has it been refuted? Socialism IS the same thing as communism, and fascism too. They are ALL collectivist, the only difference is in the matter of degree, and which conglomerate uses the people - whether a corporation or their own government. Either way, it's a few at the top micromanaging YOUR life, and that of everyone else. Sure, they like to hide behind rhetoric claiming that somehow "the people" own the means of production, but they don't, not by a long shot.
A "phobia" is an unfounded fear. let some collectivists shoot at you a few times, take out a few people who meant something to you in their "Glorious Peoples Revolution", then come back and tell me about "phobias", and how they had to kill those people in order to save them.
You seem to have misread me. I promised a COUNTER insurgency., and I'm not a stranger to that concept.
One other thing before you all get rolling real good - I never make a promise I'm not prepared to keep.
I gotta wonder why everything always gets pointed back at the CIA, or "paid disinfo agents" and such like. You know, some folks are just plain able to think for themselves, and know what they've seen. Don't have to be CIA to be able to think, and read the warning signs.
Yes, I am acquainted with Central America, and no, I am not CIA.
edit on 2011/11/2 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by nenothtu
"Had it's bad points"? Seriously? that's like saying AIDS has some negativity attached to it. Evil is evil.
"Every nation was under a monarchy"? Seriously, What universe were you living in at the time? It sure wasn't this one. Maybe your local country was a monarchy - I don't know, not knowing what country that is - but "every nation" was most certainly NOT.
Most countries DID HAVE monarchies in europe before the national socialists took over and started conquering the opposition. Why would you claim otherwise I have no idea. Either you are ignorant of history or you are here to troll.
Europe is not, nor does it include "every nation". If Europe isn't happy with it's monarchies, Europe ought to do something about that.
Something other than trying to project their own problems on to "every nation".
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Wow. Talking about hate. I guess everyone who has fought the cold war has to hate the communists till their dying days.
Karl Marx claimed socialism was a stepping stone to communism. Communism was defined as the end goal of all the revolutions combined. No where has it been stated that the two systems are alike in the slighest. It is exactly this selective reasoning that annoys all the left wingers. A true collectivist is a communist, not a socialist.
Socialism is the middle road system. Major industry and banking should be public; owned by the people and RUN by the government. The government is not some super-duper cloaked entity run by marsians or venusians. It is supposed to be representatives of the people. If they fail their obligations to their constituents then they should be replaced.
You choose to fight for the USA government or some security firm and the bad guys were identified as communists. That means you should hate them in perpetuity, just like you hate the unions for getting some of your friends killed...Yeah I remember that silly arguement as well!
You seem to have misread me. I promised a COUNTER insurgency., and I'm not a stranger to that concept.
whatever.
I gotta wonder why everything always gets pointed back at the CIA, or "paid disinfo agents" and such like. You know, some folks are just plain able to think for themselves, and know what they've seen. Don't have to be CIA to be able to think, and read the warning signs.
Yes, I am acquainted with Central America, and no, I am not CIA.
Because the cia and kgb rule the world...in case it really is not obvious!
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by nenothtu
Europe is not, nor does it include "every nation". If Europe isn't happy with it's monarchies, Europe ought to do something about that.
Something other than trying to project their own problems on to "every nation".
Is this post a joke?? It sure reads like it.....
Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by cheftim59
Nice example of groupthink.
"You're a member of ATS so therefore you have to think this way."
Why don't I help? Because it's a leftist movement.
And why complain about the violence. This is something OWS people want:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/ows_12.jpg[/atsimg]edit on 27-10-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)