Michael Moore Lies " I Am Not Part of the 1%"

Originally posted by TheFlash

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Ghost375
ugh, I think Michael Moore is so annoying.

That said, Michael Moore might be in the top 1%, but he got there by criticizing the top 1%. Its kind of hard to consider him a part of that group.

So.......hes a hypocrite ,especially when he shows up,and they fawn over him.

So how many lives have you saved?

www.youtube.com...

Financially,none. Reality ? 3

How many lives could Michael Moore save if he emptied his Bank account?
How many collage kids could he financially save if he redistributed his wealth?
How many people could he REALLY save?

he's worth millions?
so what are you and i worth? a few dollars? meibe a few cents?
i have to disagree with this.
just because he made a few nice films (meibe even wrote some books, i don't know) he's worth millions?
he just got he's point across.
shhheeesh. HE'S AGAINST WALL STREET!!!! (in my understanding)

I have to say that I think there is a misconception. People are not against being rich, they are not even against capitalism. They are against unregulated reckless capitalism. They are against predators who got rich and continue to do so by bilking the people. They are against capitalism that raises the standard of living for a small elite to unheard heights while their reckless actions destroy our economy and lower the standard of living for millions of people. Mike made his money by making movies, his movies didn't threaten the middle class. Mikes ideas resonate with the protestors regardless of the numbers in his bank account. To equate him with some predatory financier whose business dealings destroyed the savings of millions and required a tax bailout of billions of dollars is not really logical.

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Absolutely correct! Far too many misconceptions on ATS!

This guy is the kind of millionaires the world needs, more heart and more caring, more sharing and more fairing!

MM's a diamond type!

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Section31

 

Obama's been in bed with Wall Street from the get-go, and most people know that.

They don't support Obama, as much as oppose the Republicans who were responsible for removing the controls and regs like Glass-Stiegle which precipitated this whole mess. Cronyism, that's the ugly side of Capitalism.

Lets try to get ONE (little) thing straight:

Consequently, to the delight of many in the banking industry (not everyone, however, was happy), in November of 1999 Congress repealed the GSA with the establishment of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which eliminated the GSA restrictions against affiliations between commercial and investment banks. Furthermore, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act allows banking institutions to provide a broader range of services, including underwriting and other dealing activities.

Read more: www.investopedia.com...

passed and signed in
November 1999 :
by U.S. President: William jefferson ( " the ol Arkansas horndog" himself) Cllinton...

The "evil corporations" again. Where do the jobs come from? Who is NOT invested in stocks?

I agree that there are serious issues that cause severe poverty. For one thing inflation AND the fact that inlfation is driven by the rich getting richer rather than rising wages. The big problem with inflation is that people on low wages and fixed income do not partace positively in anything that drives inflation, such as record corporation earnings, a growing econonmy, rising wages because frankly, they dont have the money to invest and they are too replacable to negotiate better wages. Not only that, but unions have been effectively shattered since Reagan, or compromised.

So it is true, you have one segment of the population that only experiences the negative fallout of inflation, their real income shrinking year after year, but this segment of the population is not the 99%. Maybe the 50% . Anybody on a low income with no money to invest and no prospect of raising wages really. But that is not the 99% and the situation is not as black and white as it is being painted.

reply to post by TheFlash

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by TheFlash

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Michael Moore has been exposed as a lying propagandist for years.

How about showing some facts to back up your statement.

Are you sure??

Ok then.

www.davekopel.com...
www.youtube.com...
www.hardylaw.net...
www.slate.com...
www.mooreexposed.com...
www.nydailynews.com...
www.debbieschlussel.com...
newsbusters.org...
emperors-clothes.com...
www.freerepublic.com...
venezuelanalysis.com...

Want some Moore???

You are just lazy.


Already been provided.

But, I only suspect you jam your fingers in your ears, tie a cloth around your eyes and yell "Nah nah nah, can't here you"!!!

Originally posted by trailertrash
reply to post by neo96

 

Neo96 it is very clear that you do not understand the issues here. It's OK to be rich. It's OK to be a 1 percenter. What is not OK is the means by which many of these get their riches. Far too many in our times are acquiring wealth by hurting others. It is this hurtfulness that we aim to stop. Now consider that Moore is also a millionaire. OK. How did he become one? By taking advantage of others and hurting them? No. Nothing like that at all.

Now do you understand? If you cannot then you either are grossly inept or just plain stubborn. Moore is not an enemy of the down trodden masses but many big shots are clearly just that.

Another one stating that having wealth is ok, but it was obtained through criminal means.
Please provide the Criminal Court Proceedings that back this up.

WOW. Talking out of both sides of your mouth is such a neat trick.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by neo96

 

What's your problem? Don't believe in social economic justice?

edit on 27-10-2011 by alien because: ...needless personalised commentary removed...

NO. That is the point.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by Section31

 

There is no individual founder. We are not representative by the political beliefs of our partner firms and are in NO WAY, SHAPE, SENSE OR FORM a declaration of political allegiance.

Oh contraire mon frere.
www.thedailybeast.com...
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Looks like OWS has been, or is in the process of being hijacked. Or, the true colors are showing through.

Originally posted by TheFlash
I think that at the heart of the opposing views here is a concept that Al Franken summed up eloquently in one of his books. I think that a lot of conservative people dislike or even hate Michael Moore because he dares to criticize America. This is what Al Franken said on the subject:

"If you listen to a lot of conservatives, they'll tell you that the difference between them
and us is that conservatives love America and liberals hate America. That we "blame America
first." That we're suspicious of patriotism and always think our country's in the wrong. As
conservative radio and TV personality Sean Hannity says, we liberals "train our children to
criticize America, not celebrate it."
They don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way.
You see, they love America the way a four-year-old loves her mommy. Liberals love America
like grown-ups. To a four-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone
who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love,
taking the good with the bad, and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and
work and is the best thing in the world."

Amen


P.S. If you are going to retort then explain hwo the quote is wrong and not reply with the predictable con variation of the 2nd grade "you are a doo-doo head".

edit on 27-10-2011 by TheFlash because: (no reason given)

You are quoting Stewart Smalley and want to be taken serious?

Ok, enough with the joking. Please provide valid remarks.

Originally posted by Connector

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Originally posted by TheFlash

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Boy, you sure can dance around an issue if you're found wrong.

Get over it, accept it, watch Bowling for Columbine again, he says it.

It is absolutely amazing how you are able to completely and totally deny and ignore all the points I made.

It is clear that the truth and reality of these matters is completely beyond your reach. Try and try as you might you will never, ever be able to take in the reality of things. I pity you. Jack Nicholson summed it up perfectly.

www.youtube.com...

You got nuthin' pal. Nuthin'.

You asked for proof of a lie, I provided several.

You proceeded to recite the Gettysburg Address about his views ignoring the lies given.

He's a know liar, he's been caught in lies in every one of his films, that's all.

You remind me of Bill Clinton after he was caught in the Lewinski affair, no we did not have sex, just oral sex.

If he's been caught lying in everyone of his films, why has he never been sued for said lies?

Because it is considered Op Ed. This has been gone over numerous times in the past here on ATS.

I posted in another thread last week about Michael Moore. His production company is part of ABC/Disney. The money he solicits to make films comes from....ABC/Disney.

Here is the report of the fiscal year 2009 for the earnings of ABC/Disney
corporate.disney.go.com...

He is not raising money on his own, neither is he paying out of his pocket for his productions. His film, Fahrenheit 9/11 had a budget of $6,000,000. Opening weekend the film earned $230,920,637 and grossed (worldwide) $222,446,320 .
www.imdb.com...

The producer for Fahrenheit 9/11 was Jim Czarnecki, maximum.bakeryfilms.com...

The clients he has produces television commecials for include Cadillac, Geico, Calvin Klein, Cingular Wireless, Ford, Verizon, Target, Chase Bank, AIG and American Express. Agencies he has worked with include Crispin Porter & Bogusky, BBDO, The Martin Agency, Berlin Cameron, Grey and JWT.

Do we all remember the AIG bailout?
www.thenation.com...

Michael Moore is a sellout who does just exactly what he accuses others of. He constantly begs conspiracy theorists just follow the money trail then denies that he uses the same way of making money. Did AIG directly pay for the film? No, AIG did not, but the same man that represents AIG also represents Michael Moore. If Moore is against corporate greed, then he should have some integrity and be honest about where his money comes from.

Follow the money, except his, is what he is telling conspiracy theorists.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
If the strict definition of 1% is the top 1% of money earners, then you are wrong.

Well, that's not the strict definition, so I'm not wrong.

And I'm not going to argue with people who don't know what they're talking about.

The problem is that the other direction is jargon, and therefore useless. Either the 1% means the 1% or it is lost in translation. You got it?

Originally posted by OUTofSTEPwithTHEworld
he's worth millions?
so what are you and i worth? a few dollars? meibe a few cents?
i have to disagree with this.
just because he made a few nice films (meibe even wrote some books, i don't know) he's worth millions?
he just got he's point across.

shhheeesh. HE'S AGAINST WALL STREET!!!! (in my understanding)

He is against Wall Street as long as no corporate agency on Wall Street funds his films and books. Unfortunately, he has allowed himself to be funded by those same corporate entities.

Miramax released Fahrenheit 9/11. Miramax was recently traded in a very dramatic scenario to Alec Gores...this is how much Alec Gores is worth...

en.wikipedia.org...

Alec Gores is worth 1.5 Billion dollars. Ok moving past that...

Michael Moore went to the University of Michigan-Flint. There he worked on the newspaper called The Michigan Times. After he dropped out of college, he worked for Mother Jones, a leftist magazine. He was fired from his job there after refusing to run an article

The magazine was named after Mary Harris Jones, called Mother Jones, an Irish-American trade union activist, opponent of child labor, and self-described "hellraiser." She was a part of the Knights of Labor[5], the Industrial Workers of the World[5], the Social Democratic Party[5], the Socialist Party of America[5], the United Mine Workers of America[5], and the Western Federation of Miners[5]. The stated mission of Mother Jones is to produce revelatory journalism that in its power and reach informs and inspires a more just and democratic world.[6]

If we are unsure of his leanings, yes, Michael Moore is a socialist.

Michael Moore, who had owned and published the Flint-based "Michigan Voice" for ten years, followed English and edited Mother Jones for several months. After being fired in the fall of 1986, Moore sued Mother Jones for US$2 million for wrongful termination, but settled with the magazine’s insurance company for US$58,000 – only US$8,000 over the initial offering. Moore felt that he did not have a chance to shape the magazine. Many of the articles that were printed during his time as editor were articles that had already been commissioned by Deirdre English. An article by Paul Berman about Nicaragua, which was slightly critical of the Sandinistas, (Mother Jones generally supported the Sandinistas) was one of those articles commissioned by English. Moore did not want to print it, but the magazine had made a commitment to Berman. The Nation columnist Alexander Cockburn believed the disagreement over the Berman article was the sole reason of the firing, but Hochschild and others at the magazine denied this.[

He is propagandizing for the Socialist Party, how much more evidence do people need?

He refused to print an article that was critical of the Sandinistas. Who are the Sandinistas? The Socialist Party that runs Nicaragua. He lies about where his money comes from, he lies about how he uses it and he lies about this government because he wants this country to be Socialist, as in Marxism.

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Originally posted by ANOK
It's time we got what we are owed. If people had the means to produce what they need they would produce what they need, not crap they don't need in order to make someone else rich at their expense.

What are we owed? Maybe it's that wages have not scaled right to inflation, but that is an ugly circle in the more a product cost the more we see inflation, so as we raise wages product cost goes up too, rinse and repeat.

I don't like the statement "we are owed"

Now I do agree there is merit in the idea that "the rich" need more control so that they don't inflate prices just to keep huge profits rolling, but I'm not sure the best way or ways to control that. More taxes can help but then that doesn't stop them from raising prices, or not raising wages to meet inflation. We could raise minimum wage, but less than 2% of the working force makes minimum and most are young workers, (teens etc) so that is not the answer.

The problem is I went to the market the other day and some rye bread that I like is 4 bucks, meat is out of sight too as it seems everything else is also. Now I make a good living and it really does not affect me so much, but if I made 1/2 or less of what I make now I would find myself really needing to scrimp and save just to live. For many who we call 70% and under in wages I'm sure there is a lot of mac and cheese in their house and not by want. Many of these were once what we called the middle class, and that really is not a dollar figure but more of a life style. Today I don't see people under 80% wage earners living the middle class life style.

But it would be hard to convinced me that socialism doesn't corrupt worst than Capitalism. It would be hard to convinced me that with an already huge government that socialism would not just make it bigger and bigger. Reduce our already bloated government and put the middle class back where it belongs while still allowing for the American dream and I would lean in your direction.

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A big part of the problem is that people who want socialism usually confuse that with Marxist Socialism. I do also believe that Marxism is not the answer to this country.

People look at corporations as though they are the only ones guilty of greed without accepting that greed also exists in those people who control the micro-economy. Landlords who raise rent without just cause is another form of greed. No one takes them to task for their greed.

Grocery stores raise prices and cut the amount of help they need because their costs have also risen. They have to transport goods via the trucking industry and the costs of fuel is staggering for them as well. We could all shop at small stores that ship locally but the demand for those products will increase. I don't think that is a matter of greed, but rather, our economy has fallen into a trap that is difficult to get out of it.

A large part of the problem does lie with the consumers who want to live above their means. Not all consumers are like that but there are some who do. What we need in this country are people who teach us how to live with what we can afford. I can't afford my car, so I have to carpool or take public transportation. But that also raises problems with availability. Public transportation where I live may be free, but it does not run after 5 pm. And if I need to go somewhere, I have to wait for someone who is available to drive me.

I think the only way for the consumers to get out of the mess is not to just blame it in corporations but work together better. If we can't afford the latest gadget, don't get it. If we need to carpool, then do it. And if we need to have others move in with us and share living expenses, then we should (and some of us have done that).

We need to stop looking solely at banks for greed, but ourselves when we think we need every new toy or gaming system that comes out, or paying 10 dollars for a movie ticket, or paying for a house we really can't live well in or driving a car that we know we can't afford. When we take care of our own greed, then we will have the right to say something to corporations. And if we are not buying their products, then they won't be getting money. We have met the enemy, and he is us.

Moore is about 50 million worth.

The top 1.5% is the people who earn 250k+ per year. Michael Moore obviously makes more than that... so he's in the top 1%.

bottomline.msnbc.msn.com...

MICHAEL MOORE IS IN THE 1%...undeniable proof right here...the man is a joke. He endlessly preaches that capitalism is bad but takes in the benefits of it available only to the rich like its chocolate cake.