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This Is Just For Those Who Oppose The OWS Protest!!

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posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth
 
I've always been against corruption in government.
Just not against capitalism.



Take a look at the "good ol' USA," buddy, this is capitalism at work!




posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by tomten

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, I've always said that socialism is a great idea that will never work. Why? HUMAN NATURE. Humans by their very nature tend to be selfish. Socialism is a form of extreme sharing. It basically views all property as communal.


No... Socialism is not all that.
What you describes, is Communism.


Yes communism, the reason it has never worked is because people are selfish and cheat the system, thus causing it to fail.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by nathanscottecho
If you REALLY have a problem with what's going on with OWS then WHY NOT JOIN IT!


Just a wild guess here, but for the same reason that people who have a problem with what's going on with "the 1%" don't join THEM?



We call ourselves the 99% for a reason... It's because WE CONSIDER YOU A PART OF IT... whether you like it or not.


I'm not, regardless of what you "consider" me to be, nor whether YOU like it or not. I'm just not a herd beast. I may be in the "7%", or perhaps "the 32%", or maybe the "78%", or potentially even the "3%", but I am NOT any part of THIS mythical "99%", nor am I in THIS mythical "1%". Just because you slap a label on someone doesn't automatically bring them under your dominion.



Now if you really want the privilege no the RIGHT to complain about the OWS movement then get YOUR lazy a$$es out there and see what it is for yourself.


If it's all the same to you, I'll decide for myself who and what I "complain about", and why. I don't need your permission or any one else's to exercise that right. Come to think of it, I'll do that whether it's all the same to you or not. I can do that, because "I AM the No Percent!"



See you guys on the streets...hopefully


In all seriousness, you'd probably better hope not. I don't think you'd be all that happy if you see me out there.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Well after I saw them yell down John Stossel I turned my back away from them. After seeing Peter Schiff talking to some of those people, I saw that the OWS was a no libertarian fly zone and has reaffirmed my postilion on it. I believe in capitalism, they don't. They believe more government is the solution, I don't.

These are my personal beliefs on the matter and its become obvious the OWS has taken a partisanship position that are against my beliefs. I'm not going to debate my beliefs at the risk of flame war and derailment. Just saying how I feel and what I see.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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This is WHY I dislike OWS! (Note: the references below).

Here is a small portion of the OWS posts I came across here on ATS!

Nah they only attack women and small men

If you watch fox news, than you are the 1%.

I wish the entire crowd would have rushed that "police officer" and beaten the man to death.

They need to remember that they are humans that can bleed, and that they have family members.

violence is the answer!

Seriously?? I am all for this movement, but speaking about peoples kids??? Low and uncalled for, no matter what you stand for.

We are the 99%! You best make up your mind! You won’t be able to do so once you’re up against the wall!

You wouldn't do # but twiddle your thumbs or get your head stomped on until your consciousness is oozing over the paint.

The Teaparty will have to join OWS. If not, it will be their demise.

The police will burn where they stand.

As far as the cops on horseback, fake rubber snakes, horse's really don't like snakes. And rubber snakes arent against the law. About the time you see one of those thugs on horseback take a nasty spill and the horse run wild thru crowd, you want see the horses's anymore. There's also certain smells horse's don't like. I believe this will turn violent if it continues.

You can stand with the police. Just don't get upset when you end up being cut down just like them.

The police will not be happy until they are fleeing at the sight of enraged Americans lobbing glass bottles filled with gasoline and a flaming handkerchief at their heads. We'll see how much their souls are worth then.

The police will learn very quickly. Physically up front in their faces, and from the shadows.

Why don't you go back to whatever careless and apathetic hole you crawled out of and leave the rest of us to fight your battles.

This will not be a one sided beating, I will guarantee you that!!

The governments need to be violently purged, and the multinationals must be brought to their knees.

If you do not support OWS, you best get out of the way!

Police....... brutality. The cops just love it to, but they make easy targets of themselves.

People around the world, like yourself, are trying to keep this from us. This is OUR moment. This is OUR movement. Do not attempt to stand in our way or you WILL end up just like the tyranny we are fighting off, left in your own worthless words wondering where it all went wrong.

I disagree. The bankers are thieves whose hands need to be cut off.

You stop corruption by making it an act of treason, and making it punishable by death. Extreme? Yes. But people would think twice about what it means to be a public servant.

Thankfully, Americans are not as cowardly as you are.

Screw the police and the traitorous pig civilians that support them

Sometimes you have to punch someone in the face to keep your life in tact.

You will NOT hear this kind of $h!t from the TP! You say you’re tired of hearing the bs from those who oppose OWS? Well PLEASE…..Explain why I should care….?!?!

Reference: “One Marine v 30 Police - Occupy Times Square - Cops lose”, ”OWS want’s their own constitution”, Occupy Wall Street has begun”, Occupy Wall Street Activist Slams Fox News Producer In Un-Aired Interview”.
edit on 27-10-2011 by Propulsion because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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The thing that gets me is the fact that a lot of people who are against OWS just assume the protesters are against capitalism. I don't see it that way. What I see is a group a of people outraged by what some greedy folks have done to capitalism.

Do you really think the 1% are capitalists ? They'd be communists if that's what it took to hold onto their power.

Capitalism has been the best / easiest system for them to work in. These people are opportunists who will do whatever it takes to satisfy their greed. They have been around for centuries, operating under whatever system they can manipulate.

The action by the OWS protesters IS NOT anti-capitalist. It's anti-corruption, and anti-ignorance.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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Well, if the Occupy Wall Streeters start demanding that Capitalism be torn down and replaced with Socialism I will be against them The problem isn't Captialism, it's when you start socializing it that sucks. I'd much rather give housing and food aid to citizens that need it rather than these bailouts we are giving the top 1 percent any day of the week.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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It is not that I protest a protest. It is how that protest has developed into a communist, union, free loader banquet. There is such a thing as decency and law abiding action in a protest and not destruction of property and disregard for people’s lives. The filth and squalor which is left for others to clean up is not decent and you very well know it.

The point has been made by the protesters and backed by our government as being their right to demonstrate. Now let the same government do something about it. Instead of curbing the violations of the greedy Wall Street thieves by emergency laws, this same government feeds the very Wall Street thieves with the taxpayer money. We all know that these guys are thieves so where are our great leaders??. .



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by Trueminatti
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Oh i read but chose to ignore it because I come from a different reality.

...and, that is where I stop caring. Since you didn't want to read my whole post, we are unable to debate in an intellectual manner. Too bad. Something fruitful could have come from the exchange of ideas.


Originally posted by Trueminatti
reply to post by Section31
 

I live in the poorest congressional district in the country.

Don't blame others for your or your parent's failures. You or your parents have the option to move.

Its called a choice and the consequences of such a choice.
edit on 10/27/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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In my opinion they should be OWH. Occupying the White House who bailed these guys out wrote the laws that enabled them to do it like the Glass/Stiegel act that was repealed. Occupy the Federal Reserve who is in bed with the banks and is owned by the banks. But they won't do that just like they do not protest against the WH for the ongoing war for killing American civilians in foreign countries all because BO is in office. If all this was happening under a republican president there were be blood in the streets over it. The doves have become quite the hawks under BO. Like queen Hill said we came we saw we killed.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by Trueminatti
reply to post by Section31
 

Oh i read but chose to ignore it because I come from a different reality.

...and, that is where I stop caring. Since you didn't want to read my whole post, we are unable to debate in an intellectual manner. Too bad. Something fruitful could have come from the exchange of ideas.


Originally posted by Trueminatti
reply to post by Section31
 

I live in the poorest congressional district in the country.

Don't blame others for your or your parent's failures. You or your parents have the option to move.

Its called a choice and the consequences of such a choice.
edit on 10/27/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

I so love hearing the blame game from these OWSers. Maybe if they looked in the mirror for once and took control of their lives, they wouldn't be so insecure in having to join a movement that makes them feel good about whom they are...



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by guitarplayer
In my opinion they should be OWH. Occupying the White House who bailed these guys out wrote the laws that enabled them to do it like the Glass/Stiegel act that was repealed. Occupy the Federal Reserve who is in bed with the banks and is owned by the banks. But they won't do that just like they do not protest against the WH for the ongoing war for killing American civilians in foreign countries all because BO is in office. If all this was happening under a republican president there were be blood in the streets over it. The doves have become quite the hawks under BO. Like queen Hill said we came we saw we killed.

Most of the protesters are followers. If one says to jump, the rest jump! I agree, they need to be protesting the WH or the Federal Reserve. I have said that all along. It all seems to go in one ear and out the other. I have asked protesters why they protest WS. They tell me that they're all linked together, and that’s where everyone’s at. Are they serious….?



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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personally I think people just like to protest no matter what the issue is. I am part of the "poor" population, I work a ton of hours a week, pay my taxes, and don't have a ton of money left over. I do not believe anyone even the government owes me anything. Sure there are alot of corrupt people and corporations out there but alot of these people worked hard to get their money and to think that they owe to people who haven't made as much is ridiculous. I work 50 hours a week and also trying to play a pro sport so all my other time is spent practicing, I'm working hard to get to where I can get paid to do what I love but I dont expect to get to the top without alot of hard work and sweat. I was hearing also that the protestors are paying homeless $100 a day to be in the group just to look like more protestors, as well as the people doing the cooking and providing food for everyone in the group are starting an internal protest. I saw that a breast cancer shirt to raise money with the slogan "Feel for lumps, Save your bumps" is also getting protested as well as Halloween costumes by a college is also getting protested. People just flat out want to protest. Alot of times I want to drop alot of people off in third world country where they can't go down to the nearest wal-mart for groceries or stop off at McDonalds for a hamburger and see how long they would last and get some appreciation for what we do have here. It is not perfect by any means but so so many people just take for granted the things we can do here.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by pgaplayer30
personally I think people just like to protest no matter what the issue is. I am part of the "poor" population, I work a ton of hours a week, pay my taxes, and don't have a ton of money left over. I do not believe anyone even the government owes me anything. Sure there are alot of corrupt people and corporations out there but alot of these people worked hard to get their money and to think that they owe to people who haven't made as much is ridiculous. I work 50 hours a week and also trying to play a pro sport so all my other time is spent practicing, I'm working hard to get to where I can get paid to do what I love but I dont expect to get to the top without alot of hard work and sweat. I was hearing also that the protestors are paying homeless $100 a day to be in the group just to look like more protestors, as well as the people doing the cooking and providing food for everyone in the group are starting an internal protest. I saw that a breast cancer shirt to raise money with the slogan "Feel for lumps, Save your bumps" is also getting protested as well as Halloween costumes by a college is also getting protested. People just flat out want to protest. Alot of times I want to drop alot of people off in third world country where they can't go down to the nearest wal-mart for groceries or stop off at McDonalds for a hamburger and see how long they would last and get some appreciation for what we do have here. It is not perfect by any means but so so many people just take for granted the things we can do here.

I agree. Some don't have a clue what life is all about. You take away their laptops, computers, Iphones, etc, etc... and they wouldn't know what to do with themselves....

Ps....Welcome to ATS.....Here's a *(star)



posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by Trueminatti
I'm convinced the people who are against the movement are the same type that would take a job as a cop in riot gear in all these brutality videos. I always wonder what kind of mentality it takes to be a cop and this website gives great insight on that kind of person. The tin foil hat side of me says they are under intense brainwash or work for the PTB.

And I am still baffled that people think becoming a part of the 1% is always a result of hard work and the 99% is a result of laziness. This has to be brainwash. These billionaires wouldn't last a day as a Mexican who waits in front of Home Depot willing to break his back every day.
edit on 27-10-2011 by Trueminatti because: adding on...


Yep, same Blah Blah Blah crap.
If you are against OWS then you are either now a Paid Shill, Plain Shill or a want to be cop.

That is all you have?

Good hell, no wonder things are screwed.



posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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well u cant complain who they get endorsed by maybe ats should endorse and infiltrate im sure ats has the ability to seriously change the outcome of the event with the numbers on here talk about all this stuff and when everybody does something about it seem to switch sides



posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by Propulsion

They need to remember that they are humans that can bleed, and that they have family members.




WHAT Idiot said this?! I am not a violent man anymore. I have been able to control my anger and rage by putting my aggression into other things...BUT THIS! has really gotten my blood boiling again. I will say this IF I hear that any OWS touching ones family member of the police, I will .............



posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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This is awesome!

Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders




“We’re not going to let some members of this community destroy the whole movement,” a volunteer said.



The Occupy Wall Street volunteer kitchen staff launched a “counter” revolution yesterday -- because they’re angry about working 18-hour days to provide food for “professional homeless” people and ex-cons masquerading as protesters.


OH I get it, ITS only OK for them to try and get something for free. Not the poor defenseless under educated homeless man..but WHERE is his retrobution?

Source



posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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It seems to me that most of the folks bashing OWS are making the argument that life is good for them, and it is strictly because they work harder than others, are morally superior to others, make wiser choices than others, and are just plain better than others, being rugged individualists who did absolutely everything on their own, owing nothing to the efforts of fellow citizens.

To hear them tell it, you could plunk them anywhere in the world flat broke and they'd be upwardly mobile in mere days or weeks.

They seem to believe they have an inherent immunity to bad luck or catastrophic illness striking their family.

Those they look down upon so harshly are lazy, filthy, druggie commie/socialist freeloaders who lack ambition, morals, and a work ethic, solely responsible for their plight.

And they have the nerve to call OWS supporters me-centered.

I'd laugh if it weren't so...words fail me.

I do agree that they are right in one aspect: OWS isn't addressing the root cause of the mess we are in.

The root cause is the ridiculous notion that there is a right to unlimited individual wealth. So long as we allow the pursuit of wealth without limits, there will be poor, there will be famines, there will be corruption, and there will be war.

Here is part of my solution to the problem:

To OWS: what you/we should be demanding



posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by apacheman
It seems to me that most of the folks bashing OWS are making the argument that life is good for them, and it is strictly because they work harder than others, are morally superior to others, make wiser choices than others, and are just plain better than others, being rugged individualists who did absolutely everything on their own, owing nothing to the efforts of fellow citizens.

To hear them tell it, you could plunk them anywhere in the world flat broke and they'd be upwardly mobile in mere days or weeks.

They seem to believe they have an inherent immunity to bad luck or catastrophic illness striking their family.

Those they look down upon so harshly are lazy, filthy, druggie commie/socialist freeloaders who lack ambition, morals, and a work ethic, solely responsible for their plight.

And they have the nerve to call OWS supporters me-centered.

I'd laugh if it weren't so...words fail me.

I do agree that they are right in one aspect: OWS isn't addressing the root cause of the mess we are in.

The root cause is the ridiculous notion that there is a right to unlimited individual wealth. So long as we allow the pursuit of wealth without limits, there will be poor, there will be famines, there will be corruption, and there will be war.

Here is part of my solution to the problem:

To OWS: what you/we should be demanding


Same Socialist Controlling drivel.
Wealth does not cause, nor create Corruption. Absolute Power does.
To propose capping Wealth, you are limiting an individuals rights.
Funny, as you claim rights are trampled on, your solution is to trample on others rights, because they are not like you.

And no, people like I have been given no handouts, have worked hard for a long time, have been careful on my funds, not wasted money on crap and are successful and prosperous.

I have done this in about 6 different places throughout the US. I expect others to do the same. Not look to leech off of me because of this or that.

I do not, nor have I ever looked down on others.
I do not pity those that do not have what I have, because I know that if I can do this, so can they.

Learn the difference please.





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