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Originally posted by discharged77
lets all get together and flush this crap down the toilet together,
after its over we can work out the details.
Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth
I've always been against corruption in government.
Just not against capitalism.
I'm also not a proponent for anarchy, socialism, communism etc.
If their message was just stop corruption, then I'd be all for it.
But when OWS gets endorsed by CAIR, Michael Moore, unions, socialism party, communism party, DNC, ACORN. . .. . well you get the point.
My problem with your logic is, how are protesters supposed to keep people from endorsing them? Are they able to say, "We're the 99%, but Unions, you're not, you're not allowed to join us". That would be stupid. It should be endorsed by all people, but since it was touted by the left early on, the right is too stubborn to see the common goal. People really are just stupid.
Originally posted by thinline
If you have over a month to camp out. You don't have a job. So taking advice about jobs/money/etc from people that don't have them is kind of like taking dating advice from the 40 year old virgin who still lives in his mother's basement.
Originally posted by Seventhdoor
Most of the reason people are selfish is because of how they are indoctrinated from birth into this idea that they deserve anything and everything they want, e.g., Capitalism. They don't consider the human or natural cost of their desires.
How much does a person need to be happy? LITERALLY NOTHING, because happiness REALLY DOES come from within, and that's not just some New Age tripe about peace and love. Thats what someone who has or is learning to master themselves will tell you. Someone with self control and will power.
These people who have a garage full of cars, private yachts, islands, multiple houses, tens of millions of dollars a year, and so on, they not only completely lack self control but they lack any sense of what they deserve. You have people who are consuming so many resources they could take care of dozens or hundreds or even thousands or tens of thousands of people on their personal wealth, and they FEEL THEY DESERVE IT.
Its not just the fat cats on wall street, its the professional sports players, the Hollywood stars. Anyone who is living a lifestyle that is by default greedy. What is greed? Using more resources than you and your family need to survive. Keeping more wealth for yourself than you need to retire on, and that your kids need to get a good start to life. Thats greed, period.
The reason socialism is so fought against is because peoples limited egos are afraid of the prospect of fairness and equality, they don't want to consider that they may only really deserve enough to live on, they WANT enough to live 100 lives on, despite the fact that they certainly will never live to see that wealth. Its about want, desires, greed. Its not about what makes us human. Humans take care of each other and the planets resources. Its about what makes us inhuman.
Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
Most of America is not like OWS or even like the membership of ATS.
Originally posted by Fromabove
You don't have to be poor, protesting in the park, demanding other peoples money. Make your own. It isn't that hard if you would just try. You can do it, but you have to make the effort. Instead of despising those who have things, say to yourself, "why do they have things" and learn from them.
Create bureaucracy? Are you kidding? We are already so bombarded by it that it's not even funny. Have you tried to do anything of late? Have you tried filing for unemployment or anything else? Everything that you do anymore has to go through 85 different channels and chains before it gets approved or denied. Fella, that's bureaucracy at its finest.
Originally posted by traderjack
I am not in opposition of what OWS is opposing. I'm in opposition of their solutions. It's communism. Which in turn will create bureaucracy.
Originally posted by MikeyBones
reply to post by GringoViejo
I do think they are viable options. I think anarchy is misunderstood and that communism has never been correctly applied, and both have had strong global opposition as both threaten the capitalistic/corporate system that is taking advantage of the world. But I'm sure you don't agree and there is no need to argue over that. We are allowed to disagree on such things and debates on such heavy topics could never be resolved on a forum (but maybe we should pay attention to things that we may actually agree on..)
As for your examples of the other countries under communist rule... Despite what media has me believing, I've been told by people who travel the world that China is awesome and I should go there, that North Korea's arts programs are beautiful along with many other social areas and that Cuba is unbelievable in all aspects (but yet poor arguably due to a capitalistic country that has embargoes on it still to this day). I am sure there is beauty in their countries as much as yours and mine. And also have their own failures, as does yours and mine. Have you not seen suffering in your own country? I have never been to those countries and don't think my opinion of their political system is valid enough to comment...
Originally posted by beezzer
Funny tht the shoe is on the other foot. There was a thread not too long ago about David Duke just writing a letter to the Tea Party organization and the consensus was that the Tea Party was racist.
My response to you would be, why would they get endorsements from such groups?
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by geryon
Well, all of that's true. Americans have and continue to live above and beyond their means. However, when it gets to the point to where you are just scraping by paycheck to paycheck, and that is all most people are doing,