This Is Just For Those Who Oppose The OWS Protest!!

Originally posted by discharged77
lets all get together and flush this crap down the toilet together,
after its over we can work out the details.

you sound like a 1 percenter there for a moment or two... lol.

Let's see, why am I not a proponent of OWS?

1. They are taking up resources (police) that could be used somewhere else and it's costing money. Our cities are already broke. Not to mention the clean up after they leave, again costs money and uses city resources. I mean come on....pooping on peoples doorsteps, peeing on cop cars??? Really???

2. I have yet to hear or see one protester on TV, here, FB, etc that can string together a congrument, well thought out statement explaining why they are protesting and everytime you see one interviewed they each give a different reason for protesting. One wants social justice, one wants an end to corrupt bankers, one wants an end to corrupt politicians, one wants do be forgiven of debts he/she accumilated, one wants free money, one wants an end to capitalism.

3. I am all for free speech and their right to protest and exercise civil disobedience no matter what their stated cause, but at least have ONE main idea behind it. And for heavens sake, please don't shove the shirtless, g-string, tattooed and bald, 85 year old homeless man in front of the camera or reporter to speak on your "revolution's" behalf. I am from Georgia and it irks me that the media always finds the most redneck, uneducated, hillbilly guy with a mullet to speak on national tv when something happens in our state.

4. They are making a huge mess. I have seen video and pictures of the different places they are protesting. KEEP IT CLEAN!! Our streets are not your garbage cans!!!

5. Oh and the mental break down from some of these guys on camera are ridiculous. Nobody listens when you are yelling and screaming and frantically crying like the world is coming to an end. It amazes me that we (the United States of America) puffs out it's chest and claims to be the best and yet we have goobers like this on our nightly news. Other countries must think we are all a bunch of toothless, mental, nasty, homeless idiots. Can we please get someone with some sanity, who looks like they bathe more than once a week and has a clean pressed shirt and pants to express with cohearent thoughts just exactly what they are protesting against?

6. You know, the members of the Boston Tea Party were protestors also. They were protesting high taxes. But I don't remember reading that they trashed the city. In fact, when they dumped the tea, it was into the harbor NOT the streets where they lived.

7. Obey the law! The pooping and peeing in the streets, not having your permits to hold a protest in order, and the rampant drug use is not obeying the law. These laws are in place for a reason. Laws were not made for those people who had no intention of committing a crime, but for those that they knew would.

Protest all you want, but don't get all shaken and stirred up when someone doesn't support your "cause" and demand they tell you why they don't. I don't have to explain myself anymore than you do. But since you asked and I have a few minutes before I have to go to my college class (which I paid for all by myself) so I can help my hubby support this family financially, I felt like responding to your demand. God Bless.

Originally posted by MegasAlexandros

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

 

I've always been against corruption in government.
Just not against capitalism.

I'm also not a proponent for anarchy, socialism, communism etc.

If their message was just stop corruption, then I'd be all for it.

But when OWS gets endorsed by CAIR, Michael Moore, unions, socialism party, communism party, DNC, ACORN. . .. . well you get the point.

My problem with your logic is, how are protesters supposed to keep people from endorsing them? Are they able to say, "We're the 99%, but Unions, you're not, you're not allowed to join us". That would be stupid. It should be endorsed by all people, but since it was touted by the left early on, the right is too stubborn to see the common goal. People really are just stupid.

I disagree, IF a group that is known for its socialistic ideas promotes or endorses your cause..may be its time to look at what your cause really means...just saying.

If you have over a month to camp out. You don't have a job. So taking advice about jobs/money/etc from people that don't have them is kind of like taking dating advice from the 40 year old virgin who still lives in his mother's basement.

Originally posted by thinline
If you have over a month to camp out. You don't have a job. So taking advice about jobs/money/etc from people that don't have them is kind of like taking dating advice from the 40 year old virgin who still lives in his mother's basement.

Excellent analogy. Then again, taking financial advice from people who can't get a job makes sense to the left. After all, they gave the most war mongering President in U.S. history a Nobel Peace Prize.

Originally posted by Seventhdoor
Most of the reason people are selfish is because of how they are indoctrinated from birth into this idea that they deserve anything and everything they want, e.g., Capitalism. They don't consider the human or natural cost of their desires.

How much does a person need to be happy? LITERALLY NOTHING, because happiness REALLY DOES come from within, and that's not just some New Age tripe about peace and love. Thats what someone who has or is learning to master themselves will tell you. Someone with self control and will power.

These people who have a garage full of cars, private yachts, islands, multiple houses, tens of millions of dollars a year, and so on, they not only completely lack self control but they lack any sense of what they deserve. You have people who are consuming so many resources they could take care of dozens or hundreds or even thousands or tens of thousands of people on their personal wealth, and they FEEL THEY DESERVE IT.

Get. Real.

Its not just the fat cats on wall street, its the professional sports players, the Hollywood stars. Anyone who is living a lifestyle that is by default greedy. What is greed? Using more resources than you and your family need to survive. Keeping more wealth for yourself than you need to retire on, and that your kids need to get a good start to life. Thats greed, period.

The reason socialism is so fought against is because peoples limited egos are afraid of the prospect of fairness and equality, they don't want to consider that they may only really deserve enough to live on, they WANT enough to live 100 lives on, despite the fact that they certainly will never live to see that wealth. Its about want, desires, greed. Its not about what makes us human. Humans take care of each other and the planets resources. Its about what makes us inhuman.

No socialism is fought against because you are forgetting about another trait of human nature..laziness. Do you think that any of those OWS came into a large some of money they would give it to their "fellow man" because they have more than they need..or do think they would take care of their own first..blood is thicker than the 99%. Lets face it we are all in it for ourselves whether we admit it or not.

You are right to one extent most not all of those that live the "high life" are in search of happiness they are trying to fill a void that they think only money can fill. But I do not hate them for it. I work a fulltime job and run two small side business and I am barely making it myself. If I want more I work more if I want less I work less, bottom line it is up to me. I am selling my house and downsizing. I am tired of that rat race. I would rather invest what little money I have else where..MY FAMILY..camping, fishing, hiking thinks of that nature.

BUT I will say this of this OWS backfires and we are worse off than before or this bring upon us another civil war, and they make it worse for my family...

Kumbyya, love, peace, back to nature, bla, bla, bla.

Heard it all before. Remember the sixties? Nothing new. Some names have changed, most haven't.

Why do I oppose OWS? Because they have no clear message, they are targeting the wrong system. I get sick of all the "we need to be a peaceful world" crap. Wake up! This is reality and having a world where everyone respects everyone else and we all live in harmony is about as likely as not getting stung by a hornet who's nest you just stepped on. Get real and stop spouting nonsense that will never happen. Join the real world and actually contribute to solving the problems instead of wasting space.

Even the Beatles tried "All you need is love". How did that work out for them? To understand human nature all one need do is to watch a group of toddlers. If one has something another thinks is better, the stronger will take it away. It's how things work out here in the real world, not in la la land.

This is why I oppose OWS. None of them are realists. They are warmed over hippies who never gave up outdated tie die t-shirts for christs sake.

reply to post by watchdog


Thank you, you just saved me a ton of typing.

Hey ows please stop calling yourselves the 99%. I am part of the 99% and you do not speak for me. After a quick search I found the best showing for ows in the polls is 43% (a minority) in a CBS poll from 10/25. the poll also shows 67% (a majority) don't care, don't know, or are against your movement. So change your name to the 43% or at least something more accurate.

All I see is groups of jealous people wanting to spend other peoples money. Yes the fed and some of Wall Street is to blame but who ran themselves into crushing debt pretending to be part of the 1%? Yep, a large portion of the 99% and when you couldn't pay your debts guess what happened to the banking system. Who's fault is that?

As for helping the poor, you can do that by taking donations getting them the help they need. Not using the money you collected to pay for your camping holiday. Of course we all know the donations ows receives are not being spread equally, I would be curious to see if most of the money is controlled by 1% of your group.

What have you accomplished besides wasting taxpayers money and spending other peoples money (donations)?

reply to post by MikeyBones


Ultimately....I believe - the system - is capitalism; the OWS should not blame capitalism.....they should focus on how to improve and become more ambitious - have drive - seek a change within and what they can control. The only system that has a problem is the gov't. Most don't know who their local assembly members are - or local commissioners - heck I wonder if they know their "LOCAL" representatives are - not where they are protesting or use the dems vs. the repubs....the haves vs. the have nots.....that is classic CLASS warfare.This to me is why people are opposed to OWS. The message isn't directed to the correct audience or group or protesting to the people that have caused large flaws in our "system." Government is too big and when the government is left to handle everything - they can take everything away. -Originally quoted from Thomas Jefferson, not verbatim.

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
Most of America is not like OWS or even like the membership of ATS.

You do realize that MOST OF AMERICA is very uninformed don't you? They would rather know about what Tom Cruise or Jessica Simpson is doing than what is going on in the world around them. You talk as though Americans are very informed and disagree when that is not the case at all. They are very uninformed and they disagree. Ahhhhh, a moment of clarity.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Oh, yes...That way corporate America can really stick it to the only reason they exist, THE WORKING MAN...Brilliant idea!!!!!

Capitalism isn't the problem. True capitalism wouldn't have bailed out the banks. They would have fallen by the way side, and more responsible banks would have taken their place. What is happening is that corporations privatize their gains, but socialize their losses. They don't lose. Period. In the end, the people are the ones who pay on both sides of the equation. Anytime you hear "private public partnership" it's a scam. YOU, the tax payer, are guaranteeing the investor (hardly investing when it's a guarantee) he/she will be paid in full. It's happening in Denver right now with the National Western Stock Show complex.

Originally posted by Fromabove

You don't have to be poor, protesting in the park, demanding other peoples money. Make your own. It isn't that hard if you would just try. You can do it, but you have to make the effort. Instead of despising those who have things, say to yourself, "why do they have things" and learn from them.

I'm all for hard work, dedication, yada,yada. All of those are great and I sure do not like a free loader. However, I do not support the blatant extremes that corporate tycoons have in making their money. That is the problem with the "capitalist" system.

Here is a good example of what I am talking about....We are not even going to address the Enron scandal. Ridiculous

Originally posted by traderjack
I am not in opposition of what OWS is opposing. I'm in opposition of their solutions. It's communism. Which in turn will create bureaucracy.

Create bureaucracy? Are you kidding? We are already so bombarded by it that it's not even funny. Have you tried to do anything of late? Have you tried filing for unemployment or anything else? Everything that you do anymore has to go through 85 different channels and chains before it gets approved or denied. Fella, that's bureaucracy at its finest.

Originally posted by MikeyBones
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

I do think they are viable options. I think anarchy is misunderstood and that communism has never been correctly applied, and both have had strong global opposition as both threaten the capitalistic/corporate system that is taking advantage of the world. But I'm sure you don't agree and there is no need to argue over that. We are allowed to disagree on such things and debates on such heavy topics could never be resolved on a forum (but maybe we should pay attention to things that we may actually agree on..)

As for your examples of the other countries under communist rule... Despite what media has me believing, I've been told by people who travel the world that China is awesome and I should go there, that North Korea's arts programs are beautiful along with many other social areas and that Cuba is unbelievable in all aspects (but yet poor arguably due to a capitalistic country that has embargoes on it still to this day). I am sure there is beauty in their countries as much as yours and mine. And also have their own failures, as does yours and mine. Have you not seen suffering in your own country? I have never been to those countries and don't think my opinion of their political system is valid enough to comment...

Having been to four out of the five, save cuba, I can say that, in my opinion, some are great places to visit, not live.

And I too think anarchy is misunderstood, but anarchy, I also think, will always be misunderstood.

Is there another category I can go into. I am all for a big movement to get money out of govt, break up anything too big to fail, end the fed, end the wars, prosecute the financial criminals, and transparency in govt, and basically just make the American dream affordable such as education and healthcare and basic needs. But i have no issue with rich people or people aspiring to be rich. I dont want to live off the land and grow my own food, dont want socialism, dont want wealth redistributed unless its funds that were illegally made or bailouts, those should definitely be redistributed to the taxpayers. And taxes should just be tiered by your income level and max out at 30% for those making over a million a year, just make it simple, no deductions just a percentage based on income. And if i was dumb enough to get into 80K+ in student loans too bad. I went to community college for 2 years and then a inexpensive college after that and ended up only 15k in student loans, because guess what? Thats what i could afford. Just like the banks shouldnt be bailed out, so shouldnt personal irresponsibility.

reply to post by geryon


Well, all of that's true. Americans have and continue to live above and beyond their means. However, when it gets to the point to where you are just scraping by paycheck to paycheck, and that is all most people are doing, and you have this other guy scheming 840,000 dollars profit from Golden Sachs because his cronie told him that there was going to be a sharp value increase in Goldman Sach bonds....there is something seriously wrong with that picture.

Originally posted by beezzer
Funny tht the shoe is on the other foot. There was a thread not too long ago about David Duke just writing a letter to the Tea Party organization and the consensus was that the Tea Party was racist.

My response to you would be, why would they get endorsements from such groups?

You should know by now that you are only allowed to paint the TP with a broad brush, You may NOT do the same to the squatters, apparently.

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


If its insider trading then its illegal and therefore we are in agreement. If its a tip from an analyst that thinks he knows something then i don't have a problem with it. This really isn't an important argument though. The correlation between policy and this unfair increase has been proven, it started in the Reagan years, before that time the 1% was actually below or even with the 99% income level increase.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by geryon

 

Well, all of that's true. Americans have and continue to live above and beyond their means. However, when it gets to the point to where you are just scraping by paycheck to paycheck, and that is all most people are doing,

I am scraping by paycheck to paycheck so I had enough. I cut out things in my life that were not necessary..Sat TV. Gym memberships..eating out as much. Next hopefully I will move to another house that has lower payments.

When things get tough we have to adapt, yes it sucks and it seems unfair, but in the end what does it matter anyway?