Veteran shot in the face by rubber bullet at Occupy Oakland protests

Originally posted by backinblack
Please show me proof that ACORN started and control the protesters..

Prepare for a segment from Fox news - they were pimping that claim earlier this morning.

'Course, the hilarious thing is, no one's actually been able to come up with any wrongdoing from ACORN - we're just supposed to assume that because it's a nominally "liberal" organization that helps out poor people, that it must be the absolute epitome of all that is evil and cruel in the world! Also, BLACK PEOPLE, BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


As I stated earlier,

It appears people are being paid to distort on both sides of this event.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by theovermensch

 

If the Tea Party was able to get hundreds of thousands of people together WHY CAN'T THE OWS MOVEMENT DO THE SAME WHEN THEY CLAIM TO BE THE 99%?...

The "99% of..."-thing has already been explained to you atleast twice in this thread.

the OWS movement has goals which are anti-American, and Anti-Capitalist, and in general will only destroy the U.S. and put the socialist elites in more control over Americans...

So... Crony Capitalism, Corruption and bailing out Banks is American then?

Originally posted by ColCurious
So... Crony Capitalism, Corruption and bailing out Banks is American then?

it is when you're the child of a political movement dedicated to political sado-masochism. I.e., American Conservatism.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Over a thousand, actually. I guess you just missed a zero?

OMG, THAT'S IT.... 1,000... THAT'S THE 99%...

Your math is just a little bit off...

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

(By the by, I tried to put in a list of all cities in the US currently having an OWS event, but the ATS character filter cut me off at New Jersey. Oh well. That is, of course, without mentioning the international Occupancies)

If people around the world want to make their own protests let them... They have NOTHING to say about U.S. politics...and if you are so worried about them, and you want to be a part of them please, don't let the door hit you on your way out and go to your "socialist utopia out there"...

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Gosh, you're bad with numbers! The figure of 311,460 is divided between a total of 346 cities with the largest being Atlanta, with an attendance of ~7000

Let's see the differences in how many people attended for example a Tea Party protest, vs a OWS minime protest...





Estimates of 1+ million people attending Washington DC Tea Party Protest...

Heck, even news media from outside the country put the estimates at these numbers, but of course leftwingers will try to claim the contrary...

A million march to US Capitol to protest against 'Obama the socialist'
By David Gardner

Last updated at 6:59 AM on 14th September 2009


As many as one million people flooded into Washington for a massive rally organised by conservatives claiming that President Obama is driving America towards socialism.

The size of the crowd - by far the biggest protest since the president took office in January - shocked the White House.

Demonstrators massed outside Capitol Hill after marching down Pennsylvania Avenue waving placards and chanting 'Enough, enough'.
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www.dailymail.co.uk...

Want to show us your minime OWS videos from a helo of how many people attended your minime socialist protests?...

But of course you have to lie and claim "they were paid off by corporations"...

it's not a lie, actually.

Oooh, not a lie from a leftwinger news media giving no real proof but just "giving their word"?...riiiight...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Still awaiting that proof that ACORN started the OWS...

All I see from you is twisted figures and opinions..

Originally posted by ColCurious

The "99% of..."-thing has already been explained to you atleast twice in this thread.

Yet the demonstrators keep claiming "they are the 99%".... If you don't understand what claiming to be "the 99%" is, I really can't help you much...

Claiming to be this number is not claiming to be 2%, or 5%.... it is claiming to be "the 99%"...

Originally posted by ColCurious
So... Crony Capitalism, Corruption and bailing out Banks is American then?

And AGAIN who made it possible for "crony capitalism" to exist?...

Who installed the Feds, giving complete control over the U.S. economy, and puting Americans forever in debt and made us slaves to a central banking system?... Who installed the IRS as it exists today?...

I will give you a hint... PROGRESSIVES DID.... the left...

Time to burn Rome whilst "they" fiddle..

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Still awaiting that proof that ACORN started the OWS...

All I see from you is twisted figures and opinions..

Wow... I don't know in how many threads information has to be posted time and again before people start making their own research.

...
Front groups of the community organization ACORN played a major role in organizing the OWS protests nationwide. For instance, the Working Families Party (WFP), a longtime ACORN front, helped mobilize the demonstrations in New York City. "(We are) actually trying to change the capitalist system we have today because its not working for any of us," WFP organizer Nelini Stamp told Laura Flanders of Free Speech TV in an interview.

Meanwhile, ACORNs newer front groups were likewise deeply involved in launching and expanding the OWS movement throughout the fall of 2011. For instance, New York Communities for Change -- led by longtime ACORN lobbyist Jon Kest -- helped WFP organize the demonstrations in lower Manhattan. In Pennsylvania, Action United participated in the "Occupy Pittsburgh" rallies. In Florida, Organize Now took part in "Occupy Orlando." The Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment led the "Occupy L.A." protests. And New England United for Justice, headed by former ACORN national president Maude Hurd, participated in the related “Take Back Boston” rallies in Massachusetts.

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) was also heavily involved in OWS's formation and early growth. At the heart of "Occupy Los Angeles," for instance, were two Southern California communists -- veteran Party leader Arturo Cambron and his comrade Mario Brito. In early October 2011, Brito declared that OWS's chief objective was to achieve “economic justice,” and added: “This is an international movement ... The vast majority of Americans actually believe income inequality is a major problem. The only reason they haven’t acted upon it is because there hasn’t been a mass movement.” In an October 15, 2011 address to the nearly 3,000 attendees at an "Occupy Chicago" rally, John Bachtell, a spokesman from the CPUSA's national board, claimed to “bring greetings and solidarity from the Communist Party”; he received a number of loud ovations from the crowd.
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www.discoverthenetworks.org...

I have even given the entire list of "partners" and who is organizing the OWS protests, like for example.

Right to the City coalition partners in the Boston area include Alternatives for Community & Environment, Asian American Resource Workshop, Boston Workers Alliance, Boston Climate Action Network, Chelsea Collaborative, Chinese Progressive Association, City Life/Vida Urbana, Community Change, Inc., Community Labor United, CWA Local 1400, Direct Action for Rights & Equality, Dorchester People for Peace, Green Justice Coalition, IBEW T-­‐6 Council, Lynn United for Change, Mass Alliance Against Predatory Lending, Massachusetts Global Action, Massachusetts Jobs with Justice, MASSUNITING, Merrimack Valley Project, Network for Immigrants and African Americans in Solidarity, Neighbors United for a Better East Boston, [size==]New England United for Justice, Press Pass TV, Service Employees International Union, Springfield No One Leaves, smartMeme, Survivors Inc., UE Northeast Region, UFCW Local 1445, Union of Minority Neighborhoods, UNITE HERE Local 26, Women's Fightback Network, Worcester Anti-­‐Foreclosure Team, and the Youth Jobs Coalition

massuniting.org...

The above is a list of who is who in leftwing politics. From the new name for ACORN in Boston which is now called New England 4 Justice, to other leftwing groups and even progressives, and at least some of these groups have direct links to people like Soros, yet there are those who claim this is not true when the evidence IS RIGHT THERE FOR ALL TO SEE...

ACORN Official: Gangster Group Will Be Bankrupt Soon But Fake Spinoff Groups Will Carry On The Corruption

By Matthew Vadum | February 24, 2010, 8:13 PM EDT


The ACORN crime syndicate is not going away anytime soon, but it’s going to look different.

ACORN will probably run out of money and fold by year’s end but a dozen ACORN state chapters reincorporated to seem like new, independent organizations will spring up in the next week to carry on ACORN’s business, a leaked email from ACORN’s online director suggests.

“The truth is that it is hard for us to forsee [sic] any scenario where ACORN continues beyond the end of 2010 and some of us think it might not last that long,” writes Nathan Henderson-James, director of ACORN’s online campaigns, in an apparently authentic Feb. 22 email.

“Last one to leave turn out the lights and wipe the server,” he writes at the end of the message (which you may read in full here.)
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[size==]At least three of these dummy nonprofit corporations that Henderson-James describes have surfaced so far this year. They are Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment, New York Communities for Change, and New England United for Justice. All three groups operate out of ACORN offices. The president of New England United for Justice, Maude Hurd, just happens to be the 20-year national president of ACORN. (Massachusetts articles of incorporation available here)

The Henderson-James email to ACORN supporters also encourages recipients to help rewrite the history of the embattled group.
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capitalresearch.org...

Of course, since leftwingers have learnt to "deny, deny, deny", that is exactly what they will try to do again...

BTW, i have even shown evidence of the socialist agenda these OWS organizers have.

Again, here is the logo for "Occupy Miami"...



It has the worldwide known logo of a closed/clenched fist used by socialists/communists around the world, and the word revolution in red, showing what sort of revolution they want...a red revolution led by the clenched fist of socialism/communism...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I haven't once denied these groups are involved so you can shove that bit..

But really, reading your links seems to show there ain't that many of them and they have little money or control..

To say anything different leads me to think there are also those that are paid to exaggerate the situation and try to paint the OWS movement as something it certainly isn't..

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


OWS is global.Compare the number of protesters around the world on the day of rage and it eclipses the support of the Tea Party.Why wasnt the Tea Paty global if its so much bigger?

This is my first post on ats i have been sitting back spectating for a while. I just can't believe it was a accident if it was indeed a rubber bullet. I personally heard was a tear gas canister. But if it was a rubber bullet cops are not that bad of shots to accidentally hit a unarmed civilian in the head unless they were just spraying into the crowd witch is just as horrible!

Originally posted by backinblack

I haven't once denied these groups are involved so you can shove that bit..

Did i say you in specific?... Many of your friends however claim the contrary...

Originally posted by backinblack
But really, reading your links seems to show there ain't that many of them and they have little money or control..

Really?... so being the organizers of these events means they have little control over them?...wow... you really have no idea what being an organizer means...

Originally posted by backinblack
To say anything different leads me to think there are also those that are paid to exaggerate the situation and try to paint the OWS movement as something it certainly isn't..

You actually have to PROVE what you claim... I made my point by posting evidence... Now prove your attempt at claiming I must be getting paid to get informed, and try to inform people of the truth...

So, instead of trying to find proof all you can do is make false claims?... Is that really all you can do?

Originally posted by theovermensch

OWS is global.Compare the number of protesters around the world on the day of rage and it eclipses the support of the Tea Party.Why wasnt the Tea Paty global if its so much bigger?

Sorry, it really is of no concern to Americans that certain people around the world want to FORCE Americans to comply to the One World socialist state/government...

After all, aren't your people the same kind of people that constantly complaint about the U.S. using force against other countries?...

It is statements like yours which clealy demonstrate that this movement wants a One World SOCIALIST Government/state... and of course, you are all going to CLAIM "it is a movement of the people there will be no state/government"...

reply to post by Radec

If it comes out that they did use rubber bullets and they lied about it,that could be a turning point.I wonder if it can be proven by his injury?Or some other way.

Sorry to post this twice but the whole incident can be seen here -

www.ktvu.com...

He is wearing a white T-Shirt near the top of the police line. He stood his ground longer than most, he can be seen clearly standing alone for a moment. I'm guessing that he is giving the police his thoughts on the proceedings. He then runs and is hit and falls. i'm guessing in retaliation for whatever happened while he was standing alone. Most likely this is also the reason for the flashbang in the crowd of would be rescuers.

reply to post by woodwardjnr

I'm absolutely shocked at the polices response. Tear Gas and rubber bullets against a majority of peaceful protesters. It is completely unacceptable, yet I fear some on ATS will defend or justify the polices actions

I'm late to the party, but I must ask: how do we know that the protesters were peaceful? What happened to lead up to this incident? I couldn't determine any of that from the short video snippet...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Well it is a concern to the world because America affects every individual on the planet.I think we should all vote in your elections.Your President dominates the UN,NATO and has the most advanced military.You hold the reserve currency.It is your empire we live in.OWS is global and for good reason.