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You choose not to believe the evidence that's already been presented, well that's your choice.
You don't agree with me, you don't agree with the evidence, that's your choice.
As I already said john_b, a third-party company running a power plant with the technology is sufficient enough independent testing and evidence for me; patents or no patents.
Sterling Allan specifically stated that the customer was happy with the results, and paid up.
Originally posted by flexy123
*) I am aware there exists thread about this, but i thought it would legitimate a new thread.
In particular, i would like to hear how such a tech would change our world - assuming that the e-cat device is real and turns out working.
How do you think would that invention change our world? What effect would it have on the middle-east, on America? Would our economy FIRST collapse before it enters a new area where energy literally has become too cheap to even meter anymore?
You choose not to believe the evidence that's already been presented, well that's your choice.
You don't agree with me, you don't agree with the evidence, that's your choice.
As I already said john_b, a third-party company running a power plant with the technology is sufficient enough independent testing and evidence for me; patents or no patents.
Sterling Allan specifically stated that the customer was happy with the results, and paid up.
Originally posted by john_bmth
I'm only going to say this one more time: you made claims of evidence, so provide the evidence.
Don't back peddle by saying "how are we supposed to prove a technology that we don't have access to?"
or trying your usual tactic of changing topic and pushing the burden of proof onto me.
How am I supposed to prove a technology without having access to that technology?
Originally posted by cupocoffee
I already said, I have no additional evidence other than what Rossi and PESN have already posted.
Originally posted by aaa2500
I think the point that people are trying to make is that there is a difference between 'claiming' something and providing 'evidence'. You keep refering to 'evidence', as if you know for a fact that it exists, when in fact it is merely a 'claim'. The word 'evidence' implies a higher standard than 'claim' and thus a burden of proof that has not yet been delivered.
In this thread you have furthered many of the 'claims' that Rossi has made, but you seem completely unable to critically consider that simply 'claiming' that the device works, or that there is a buyer, doesn't mean that it is true. You accept a 'claim' that is not just 'evolutionary' but quite simply 'revolutionary'(It essentially redefines physics) at face value because, as you say yourself, you have been waiting for this for a long time.
Oh, and the old 'If you don't accept my position then you must be an oil industry shill' line get's old real fast and paints you as an unreasonable person... Someone that can not be reasoned with.
Originally posted by cupocoffee
Mere semantics. When I see a video of real people walking around a power plant, with equipment and technology everywhere, I call that "evidence". You call it "a claim". But what the hell difference does it make?
I have "furthered" nothing.
And the first thing I said was that arguing back and forth about whether it's true or not is pointless - since Rossi is keeping the catalyst a proprietary secret anyway.
The oil industry shills out themselves - by attacking and attacking and attacking and backing you into a corner,
Originally posted by aaa2500
Do these quotes ring a bell...
'Okay, you win. There's nothing really going on here, no world-changing technology being tested, just "smoke and mirrors". Riiiiight....'
'Because I, like many people I'm sure, have been waiting for this moment for many years, and I'm really excited!'
.....
You are very dificult to debate because you are all over the place. First you imply that the E-Cat is proven, then you admit that you are biased and act out of a desire to really want it to work and then you tell people to wait for testing and results being reproduced... When you are confronted with what you simply dismiss it and tell people that they are oil industry shills.