Foreign Libyan Journalist's Confessions on REAL Libya and Gadaffi , page 2

reply to post by cripmeister

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The womans name is Lizzy Phelan and she has been the Libyan regime's propaganda mouthpiece during the entire conflict.

And you have been been a propaganda mouthpiece during the entire time you've existed on this forum. If you want talk crap about her, point out her lies and debunk her statements properly.

reply to post by jonnywhite

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With this kind of thing, you have to read between the lines.

I don't know about you, but I have been reading between the lines.

Do you care to share one point that she made that you believe is untrue?

As it stands I can verify most of what she said, the unverifiable things she said are also very believable. Are you surprised that NATO illegally invaded Libya on a foundation built on lies? I'm not surprised one bit.

Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by lukeUK

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The womans name is Lizzy Phelan and she has been the Libyan regime's propaganda mouthpiece during the entire conflict. Much of her reporting (which was mostly to RT of course) was outright laughable, she reminded me of this character

Would you care to share one instance of her laughable reporting? I respect your right to an opinion but if you are going to attack her character you should at least provide some evidence to back it up.

reply to post by lukeUK

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I heard "this is impossible" that they were attacking from the air and realize, hey yet another propaganda piece.

Jeez. The republicans hate it because Obama actually did something right, the eastern world hates it because the US did something right, and apparently there's a huge number of paid provocateurs here too, criticizing it.


Fact is fact. You don't raid an imperial palace if you're government is good and you love your leader. Other fact: good leaders don't tend to have imperial palaces.


Accept the fact that a bad man died by other bad man, and the crap-fest that is war, for once, liberated a nation. It's better without that tard.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by lukeUK

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I heard "this is impossible" that they were attacking from the air and realize, hey yet another propaganda piece.

Jeez. The republicans hate it because Obama actually did something right, the eastern world hates it because the US did something right, and apparently there's a huge number of paid provocateurs here too, criticizing it.


Fact is fact. You don't raid an imperial palace if you're government is good and you love your leader. Other fact: good leaders don't tend to have imperial palaces.


Accept the fact that a bad man died by other bad man, and the crap-fest that is war, for once, liberated a nation. It's better without that tard.

I'm not partisan, unlike the above poster, so my objections against the actions Obama took aren't based on political bias, or racial ideology. It's based upon Constitutionality and Morality.

I'm not a paid provocateur, as a matter of fact I'd probably make someones terrorist list classification if they understood my anger against them... And wish I could do to them.

If a leader is a good leader, WHY SHOULDN'T THEY BE GIVEN A PALACE TO LIVE IN?!

Do you, sir, know first hand what went down in Lybia, to make such a half cocked statement? Do you, sir, understand the complicity of the ARABIAN KNIGHT we have embedded as out President? You would call Sharia Law, a good thing?

I will leave you to ponder these questions.

reply to post by Heyyo_yoyo

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I don't know, and quite frankly I don't care. People rose up, and it just so happened that when we shot down their air force, those people rising up won.

If you're such a good leader, you wouldn't need a foreign power shooting down your air force to stop you from hitting targets. If you're such a good leader, you wouldn't have men with guns raiding your palaces and killing your family, like they did in Russia, and in France. I don't have to know how bad Gadaf was. I just have to know why people have done these things in the past. The czar was evil, and slaughtered and enslaved his own people. The French kings were evil, and walked upon their own people for their own wealth. The Etruscan kings of Italy were evil, and stuck themselves above the common man. The British were evil, and trampled the common man in the Americas for their own monetary gain.

Because humans tend to act the same, and do things for the same reason, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to know why gudaffi and his family was put to the sword and cast to the pits of hell.

I don't need to know all the reasons why this happened. History has provided enough examples why it did and does continue to happen.



And as to the constitution. Quite frankly, I have always been a fan of living under the spirit of the law, not the letter. True, thou shalt remove the plank in your own eye before removing the splinter in others, this does not negate the fact that an good act was done in the evil act of war.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by lukeUK

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I heard "this is impossible" that they were attacking from the air and realize, hey yet another propaganda piece.

Jeez. The republicans hate it because Obama actually did something right, the eastern world hates it because the US did something right, and apparently there's a huge number of paid provocateurs here too, criticizing it.


Fact is fact. You don't raid an imperial palace if you're government is good and you love your leader. Other fact: good leaders don't tend to have imperial palaces.


Accept the fact that a bad man died by other bad man, and the crap-fest that is war, for once, liberated a nation. It's better without that tard.

Are you saying Gaddafi lived in a palace? If so, you might wanna do some fact checking. I'll give you a hint, he did not live in a palace.

reply to post by Swills

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english.aljazeera.net...

kthnxbye

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by lukeUK

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I heard "this is impossible" that they were attacking from the air and realize, hey yet another propaganda piece.

Jeez. The republicans hate it because Obama actually did something right, the eastern world hates it because the US did something right, and apparently there's a huge number of paid provocateurs here too, criticizing it.


Fact is fact. You don't raid an imperial palace if you're government is good and you love your leader. Other fact: good leaders don't tend to have imperial palaces.


Accept the fact that a bad man died by other bad man, and the crap-fest that is war, for once, liberated a nation. It's better without that tard.

That Ghadaffi was anything but popular with a large segment of his population I wont argue. That he repressed anybody who had unwanted suggestions on how to run the country is a fact. If they will be better off with Ghadaffi or what is to come, we will see, after all Lybia had one of the highest standards of living in Africa, which rivaled those of many eastern European countries. OC Ghadaffis and friends standard of living was significantly above that of the average Lybian.

But you can still be a worse leader than the Ghadaffi family and that Lybians from a material point of view will be worse off under the new goverment, could become a reality.

reply to post by Cassius666

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Libya had a population of 6.4 million people with a GDP of $62.36 Billion

In other words, Libya could essentially give everyone 10,000 dollars every other year and still have enough money to pay for most things.


Of course you will have a higher standard of living with so few and so much money. Hell, I think that's about half of New York City's GDP.

You cannot judge the value of a leader for the fact that he gave so much to those that supported him, when he all so easily destroyed anyone who questioned him and suppressed any form of thought against him.

Hitler pretty much did the same thing, revolutionizing the money system to support Germans. They practically enjoyed the highest standards ever, and never would see them again until the 80s. That doesn't get rid of the fact that he killed millions because they were unclean in his eyes.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Swills

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english.aljazeera.net...

kthnxbye

Say word?

Unfortunately. like any MSM it's hard to tell whats what. I can post MSM videos countering that. As ridiculous as it sounds, word was he lived in a tent, a nice tent but still a tent. You'll hear/read that he vowed not to live in the palace until every Libyan was housed, and housed they were.

Various subsidized or free services (health, education, housing, and basic foodstuffs) have ensured basic necessities. Read more: Libya Poverty and wealth, Information about Poverty and wealth in Libya www.nationsencyclopedia.com...

Even his own parents lived in a tent and his father died while still living in said tent. So does he have a palace? Yes. Did he live in it or the tent? And I do love that bunker he built, smart man. We love to bomb and he knows it. So just because he may or may not live in a tent, he'd be a fool not have some physical protection from the rain above. Remember this?



He knows how we play these games and that's exactly how this whole "civil" war played out, with bombing. Without NATOs help Gaddafi would be alive and well. Not only did they bomb the crap out of Libya, US drones bombed Libya more than Pakistan. We've bombed Pakistan so much their people protest the United States. NATO has also armed and trained the rebels, and much more that we're not even considering. Lets be honest, NATO got Gaddafi.


The picture cuts out the word terrorism, and home . Source: old.tehrantimes.com...

I find the date of this to be Last Modified: 27 Feb 2011 18:38 GMT. Perfect timing.

Come check out his tent. Whether he lived in it I suppose is up for debate







What do the American people really know about Libya and Gaddafi? I didn't until this whole mess started (btw, can you post some links on who Gaddafi killed and so on). Lots of people are sick of war, even if they call it an NATO operation, but are the American people researching Libya themselves or do they let the news take care of that for them? The MSM has information for them but it's usually loopsided.

reply to post by Swills

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You're painting a pretty one way picture. After all, plenty of dictators put on a show of morality and "good guy". That doesn't stop what they did.


It's national socialism. He defines it in the modern era. Great for those whom agree with him. Not for those whom do not.


People can claim whatever they want. He had a palace. I honestly don't care if he lived in a tent. He had dozens of what might as well be sex slaves, that he carried around.

You cannot dissolve the bad from the good. You just reveal all the more how he was insane. Good to one guy, bad to the next, and for what? He didn't like him? Lives in a tend, wears flamboyant expensive clothing. What a hypocrite. Pays for Libyan student loans afar, demands they support the government or be cut off.

www.statenews.com...

The man man proved himself a terror when he killed his own people. And I'm not really going to care what says he didn't, because if he didn't, then people wouldn't have rose up against him in the first place.


Causality is a b*tch, aint it.

reply to post by Gorman91

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Yeah, I see how I'm painting a pretty picture and that's because it rivals yours. Am I saying the man is a saint? Did every Libyan like Gaddafi? No and no, but the same could be said for any leader of any Gov't of any part of the world. Did he have a palace? Of course. Did he keep to his vow to live in a tent until all Libyans were housed? I dunno, how could I? Did he only go out for photo shoots in the tent? Like I said, I'm still researching this guy and what he did for Libya, and he did a lot. As you said, Libya was socialist. Every need was met to Libyans, housing, electricity, food, money for things (like getting married or buying a car), land to farm and seeds to farm with (prolly farm equipment too), education, medicine, gasoline cheap (they are 8th largest oil producer in the world), and much more. In the 1950s Libya was considered the poorest country on earth, a complete 180 today, pre-NATO bombing.

So I found a lot of the good he did for Libya and Libyans, but now I'm off to see what he did that was so bad. You say sex slaves and he killed his own people? We all are aware of the 88 protesters killed but I haven't heard about sex slaves, yet. You make a valid point, many people do bad things under the guise of doing good.

reply to post by Swills

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Yes, other leaders are the same. And they and their followers ought to be shot and massacred too. Do you think I turn a blind eye to my own leaders? Hell, I could name a few supreme court justices that have proven themselves illegal and against the constitution.


You can research all you want, as with any leader. They all did great to their own followers. And it's damn easy to take care of 6 million people on a 60 billion dollar budget. But that's the flawed point of socialism, and indeed national socialism. You trade freedom for happiness.

I'll take my crap-covered freedom any day over a pristine and clean chain to the wall.

May his memory be forgotten, and his whole essence burned in hell.

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by cripmeister

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The womans name is Lizzy Phelan and she has been the Libyan regime's propaganda mouthpiece during the entire conflict.

And you have been been a propaganda mouthpiece during the entire time you've existed on this forum. If you want talk crap about her, point out her lies and debunk her statements properly.

I agree with Cripmeister on this. Lizzie Phelan or Lizzie Cocker under her maiden name is a naive idiot. She wasn't impartial but simply followed whatever the Gaddafi regime stated to be the truth. She hadn't a clue what was going on in the military campaign. Even when Tripoli was falling she was still broadcasting the regime party line. She was stunned when it fell.

Here she is showing here true colours calling the rebels 'rats'.

abundanthope.net...

CORRECTION ON “Libya Diary: Clearing up the latest rubbish on Libya”

August 16, 2011 by lizziephelan

In the last entry I falsely stated that Ghuriyan was secure. Ghuriyan is currently under intense NATO bombardment, and clashes with the rats continue.

During a press conference of tribal elders yesterday, the local tribes in the Ghuriyan area requested that the Libyan army step back in order to try and let them take control of the situation and give the rats an opportunity to surrender their weapons and cease the fighting.

Apologies for the confusion. Unlike the western media and Al Jazeera, who have not yet once apologised for their criminal lies that led to this war and continue to perpetuate it, which have been proven to be lies, any mistaken information here will be clarified asap. Although this is the only instance in which this has happened.

During the conflict she created a webpage call 'Lizzies Liberation'. As already posted by others her line was only that of total support for Gaddafi. Her webpage read like the ramblings of Baghdad Bob during Iraq in 2003. Whatever Libyan Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim stated she simply took as 100% truth. She even believed that the Libyan Armed Forces actually stood a chance against NATO. How naive was this woman?

Her original webpage which she probably tore down due to embarrassment of the drivel it contained.

lizziesliberation.wordpress.com...

A remnant of that drivel can be seen at the following.

axisoflogic.com...

Despite this terror which the NATO nations unleash every night and day across Libya, the English have made another admission that would further confirm my conviction that they will be defeated here. They admitted to one of their warships coming under fire by Libyan missiles.

Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim repeatedly insists that the Libyan are nowhere near using their full military capability, and that if and when the time comes, then the Libyans will unleash hell on NATO and its allies, many of whom are just across the Mediterrannean.

Here she is claiming that the rebels were creating fake media reports.

libya360.wordpress.com...

Remember the utter stupidity of the Fake Green Square in Tripoli thread here on ATS? The die-hard conspiracy theorists couldn't have this version of events so the Fake Green Square story was invented. Lizzie Phelan fell for it hook line and sinker. She actually believed that the shooting was Tripoli residents celebrating with fireworks at the defeat of the Rebels.

Lizzie Phelan wrote

I have now from RELIABLE sources that the Libyan army is still in control of Tripoli. Al J footage of Green Sq was FAKE. Gaddafi went to Green Sq with one of his sons. Things much calmer now. More info soon. – L.P.

libya360.wordpress.com...

stopwarcrimes.wordpress.com...

Here she is reporting the party line of how it is all a trap for the rebels and NATO in Tripoli. A naive woman who allowed herself to be manipulated.

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