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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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You get my support. But I know alot here will not.

People are to scared, they think that this is such a huge problem.
These small things wouldn't matter if the government was able to control thier economy.

If someone says they can't afford healthcare, but calls universal healthcare socialism.

I mean most people are confused and scared, even here.
They think this is their tax money at work. They are so protective of their tax money.
I pay taxes and I don't support this, but on the same hand they aren't willing to stand up for what they believe just post hostile comments on an underground forum.




posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3

Originally posted by ladyteeny
the LAW is, and predominantly has been, an a**, as we all know.

So, it's okay to steal in your world? It's okay to rape, murder, hurt children? The U.S. is a nation of laws, not a nation of men. Don't like it, don't come here. Your choice.


the bloke neither raped, murdered nor hurt children. jeez what is the matter with you people



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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I could be wrong, but I had thought that if you were married to a U.S. Citizen then you would be allowed to be in the U.S. too. So, that's why a lot of people marry just for the sake of being able to be citizens, but there has to be proof of the marriage being legitimate (ie, knowing all of your partner's secrets) in order to have it upheld. Or am I just pulling this all from "The Proposal" and that is not real?

Either way, seriously, have some compassion for humanity. Central American countries are like alien planets to us sheltered American citizens. The atrocities that occur are things that we didn't even know existed or that were allowed to exist. Governments are bought and paid for by rich people in a major way, and our US government does not even come close to the corruption present in Central and in some places in South America. It is inhumane to tell someone that because of the imaginary border they were born inside of, they are not allowed to receive basic human dignities such as healing from an accident. No one chose to be born in a place where life is harder than we can imagine, and we are extremely fortunate that it is easy for us to get basic things like food and healthcare. Instead of being stingy with our great fortuitude, we should be giving to those who do not have what we have. You can stand paying a couple extra dollars in taxes so that humanity as a whole can grow and have happiness and stability.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by ladyteeny

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
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How about some empathy for those of us who cannot afford health insurance being forced to subsidize illegals like this? Send his a** home.


i have empathy for you too, if i lived in the usa i wouldn't be able to afford it either. that doesn't make it right.... you SHOULD have free healthcare, everybody should as far as i'm concerned.

but why should he be taken from his family and relocated? if you moved to australia, fell in love and then had a child but also a devastating accident while supporting your family, would you want to be deported unceremoniously like that? i think not.
If I moved to Australia, I would do so legally.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by ladyteeny

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by ladyteeny
 

How about some empathy for those of us who cannot afford health insurance being forced to subsidize illegals like this? Send his a** home.


i have empathy for you too, if i lived in the usa i wouldn't be able to afford it either. that doesn't make it right.... you SHOULD have free healthcare, everybody should as far as i'm concerned.

but why should he be taken from his family and relocated? if you moved to australia, fell in love and then had a child but also a devastating accident while supporting your family, would you want to be deported unceremoniously like that? i think not.
If I moved to Australia, I would do so legally.


What is legality? Why is legality as a concept important? It is legal in some countries for women to be stoned for driving cars. Do you think that's okay? Why is it that when we talk about other countries, we uphold morals over law, but when it comes to our own country, suddenly the law is more important than human decency?



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by spacekc929
I could be wrong, but I had thought that if you were married to a U.S. Citizen then you would be allowed to be in the U.S. too. So, that's why a lot of people marry just for the sake of being able to be citizens, but there has to be proof of the marriage being legitimate (ie, knowing all of your partner's secrets) in order to have it upheld. Or am I just pulling this all from "The Proposal" and that is not real?


No, you are dead wrong. Simply marrying a U.S. citizen doesn't grant you legal status. It helps in obtaining legal status, but you may be subject to a 10 year ban anyway. I've been through the process, and you're way off.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by ladyteeny

we all know that there are plenty of laws that really make no sense. people are criminalised for victimless crimes. you are still talking about a human being with feelings, who has a new child and partner.
This is not one of those laws. Come here illegally, get deported and never be allowed back imo. There are lots of victims from illegal immigration. Starting with those who cannot find work at decent wages because illegals work for pennies.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by spacekc929

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by ladyteeny

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by ladyteeny
 

How about some empathy for those of us who cannot afford health insurance being forced to subsidize illegals like this? Send his a** home.


i have empathy for you too, if i lived in the usa i wouldn't be able to afford it either. that doesn't make it right.... you SHOULD have free healthcare, everybody should as far as i'm concerned.

but why should he be taken from his family and relocated? if you moved to australia, fell in love and then had a child but also a devastating accident while supporting your family, would you want to be deported unceremoniously like that? i think not.
If I moved to Australia, I would do so legally.


What is legality? Why is legality as a concept important? It is legal in some countries for women to be stoned for driving cars. Do you think that's okay? Why is it that when we talk about other countries, we uphold morals over law, but when it comes to our own country, suddenly the law is more important than human decency?


thank the heavens for you and kingatlas...i was beginning to despair. why don't other people see it like that? with that being the predominant attitude, i really wonder if there's any hope for humanity at all.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by spacekc929


What is legality? Why is legality as a concept important? It is legal in some countries for women to be stoned for driving cars. Do you think that's okay? Why is it that when we talk about other countries, we uphold morals over law, but when it comes to our own country, suddenly the law is more important than human decency?
If I come to your house, I follow your rules. If I come to your country, I follow your country's laws. If I don't like those rules/laws, I can always carry my hind quarters back home.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by ladyteeny

we all know that there are plenty of laws that really make no sense. people are criminalised for victimless crimes. you are still talking about a human being with feelings, who has a new child and partner.
This is not one of those laws. Come here illegally, get deported and never be allowed back imo. There are lots of victims from illegal immigration. Starting with those who cannot find work at decent wages because illegals work for pennies.


So, if you were unemployed, and you had to get a job, would you go out into a field and do the work that the illegal immigrants are doing? My guess is not, my guess is that you will SAY you would do it, but when push came to shove, you would not. Of course, feel free to disagree, but I know that most people do not like backbreaking work for little pay and I highly doubt that you would ever succumb to that.

And whose fault is it that the illegal immigrant will work for low pay? Is it their fault that they are starving, or is it the fault of a) the corrupt government and public structures of their home country and b) the people who hire the illegal labor? It is a massive piece of victim blaming to say that someone who is hungry and starving and poor is at fault for doing what they can to support themselves and their families.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by ladyteeny

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3

Originally posted by ladyteeny
the LAW is, and predominantly has been, an a**, as we all know.

So, it's okay to steal in your world? It's okay to rape, murder, hurt children? The U.S. is a nation of laws, not a nation of men. Don't like it, don't come here. Your choice.


the bloke neither raped, murdered nor hurt children. jeez what is the matter with you people


I never said he did. You made a comment on law. What law? Immigration law? What's wrong with it? Rather than saying "an a**" to describe it, try putting a little thought into your post. And, who is "we all"? The law is there to protect American jobs, keep us from having whooping cough come back (oops, it's back), keep tuberculosis at bay (oh, it's on the rise now), and other diseases. It's there to keep the hardcore criminals out, and have a stream of immigrants at a rate that they can assimilate into the society. That's not happening either. So, what exactly *is* your point? Is it that those of us who want immigration at a controlled level are animals? What is it? How many people can the U.S. take in... 20-million, 100-million, a billion? At what point does the entire thing crash down? Why should I have to pay medical bills for someone who sneaked into my country?

Let's put it simple (again). Give me your address. I'll come and move in, eat your food, sleep in your bed. YOU can pay MY expenses. That's fair, right? I didn't think so. Until you PM me your address and start paying my bills, then you're just full of hot air. Period. Practice what you preach.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by spacekc929


What is legality? Why is legality as a concept important? It is legal in some countries for women to be stoned for driving cars. Do you think that's okay? Why is it that when we talk about other countries, we uphold morals over law, but when it comes to our own country, suddenly the law is more important than human decency?
If I come to your house, I follow your rules. If I come to your country, I follow your country's laws. If I don't like those rules/laws, I can always carry my hind quarters back home.


I really, really wish that you could see how ridiculous what you are saying would sound to an illegal immigrant. "Okay, at home, I have no running water, I have a tiny little cottage with no heat or air conditioning, I have no job, my government is in turmoil and war, and I have a family to support. Therefore, I am going to go to a place where I can get those things."

That person does not have the choice that you have to just go back to their home country. Their home country is not a choice for them. It is simply not an option. You make it sound like illegal immigrants have choices, but in the end, there is simply no choice other than to "break the law" and come to the United States where there is a chance. Their home country is not a chance for them. You are coming from the perspective of a sheltered American who doesn't understand that for some people, it is life and death - you leave in order to live, and you don't return because you will die if you return. I can't stress it enough, there is not the option for them to go to a country with laws which they prefer, it is simply a matter of choosing life for themselves and their families over death, starvation, war, etc.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by spacekc929
So, if you were unemployed, and you had to get a job, would you go out into a field and do the work that the illegal immigrants are doing? My guess is not, my guess is that you will SAY you would do it, but when push came to shove, you would not. Of course, feel free to disagree, but I know that most people do not like backbreaking work for little pay and I highly doubt that you would ever succumb to that.

And whose fault is it that the illegal immigrant will work for low pay? Is it their fault that they are starving, or is it the fault of a) the corrupt government and public structures of their home country and b) the people who hire the illegal labor? It is a massive piece of victim blaming to say that someone who is hungry and starving and poor is at fault for doing what they can to support themselves and their families.

Yes, if I lost my job, I would love to have that $20/hr job at Swift meat packing in Greeley, CO. Oh wait, the illegals have driven that pay down to about $6/hr. I'd love to have a construction job making $30/hr. Oh wait, the illegals have driven that pay down to about $6/hr. Yes, I'll take those jobs, if I can get paid what a U.S. citizen should be paid for that work.

Who's fault is it? All of the above that you listed along with the magnet of free healthcare, free education, and the ability to break any law they want without being put in prison. Google "Bill Ritter Agricultural Trespass" for more information, or look up Cory Voorhis.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by spacekc929


What is legality? Why is legality as a concept important? It is legal in some countries for women to be stoned for driving cars. Do you think that's okay? Why is it that when we talk about other countries, we uphold morals over law, but when it comes to our own country, suddenly the law is more important than human decency?
If I come to your house, I follow your rules. If I come to your country, I follow your country's laws. If I don't like those rules/laws, I can always carry my hind quarters back home.


It is not illegal to take care of somebody who broke the law. There is a certain cruelty mounting and polarizing with people who like you who hide behind "law" and "liberty" when it's really just callous evil.

There is law and there is moral guidance. If you take one without the other, you are doomed to a nation of evil atrocities and a selfish society. This black-and-white answer to everything you feel uncomfortable with is exactly how some people justified their own actions in WW2 and how strict Muslim code allows men to sleep at night after stoning a teenager to death. It is evil and I don't care what you dress it as. This mentality needs to stop.
edit on 25-10-2011 by Cuervo because: Coffee...



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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I find it amusing that people get so upset about illegal citizens taking jobs from americans. Do you not realize its really not their fault? You should be more upset with businesses that drive down wages by hiring illegal workers. Jeez. I thought we were over with this 'dey tork urrrr jobz' i mean my god. And lets not even get started on where the majority of your 'taxes' actually go. Its not to the their of children of illegals. Address the real problems. That is all.


 
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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3

Let's put it simple (again). Give me your address. I'll come and move in, eat your food, sleep in your bed. YOU can pay MY expenses. That's fair, right? I didn't think so. Until you PM me your address and start paying my bills, then you're just full of hot air. Period. Practice what you preach.


Okay, well, I live in a college dorm, but if I lived in my own house, and if you were starving because there was a war in Northern Colorado and there was no where for you to go, and your children were going to die if you didn't move away from the wartorn area, I would gladly welcome you into my home. I guess you wouldn't, but that's fine, a lot of people are afraid of being welcoming to strangers.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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1: There is no such thing as an illegal "citizen". They are illegal aliens.
2: We are pissed a the businesses who hire them. If it was up to me, I'd put the business owner in prison for 10 years and liquidate their company.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by spacekc929
Okay, well, I live in a college dorm.

That explains it all right there.


And until you start paying for something in life with money you earned by busting your butt, you'll never understand. Have them move in and take, and take and take. The schools in this area are having to lay off science and math teachers, but they're keeping the English as a Second Language teachers. And we'll wonder what happened when the kids get worse and worse in science and math. But hey, as long as the invaders are provided for, it just doesn't matter. Glad my son is graduated.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Send him back don't care if that sounds mean had the dude not broken the immigration law he wouldn't have broken back what is outrageous here is to expect every working Legal American to pay for that dude.

So the stupidity of making someone's problems everyone else in this country has got to stop he can refuse all he want's so does every illegal immigrant that gets deported why should this guy be any different.

We can't even take care of our own legal American's because of bleeding heart's.

Nah actions have consequences.

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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Let's put it simple (again). Give me your address. I'll come and move in, eat your food, sleep in your bed. YOU can pay MY expenses. That's fair, right? I didn't think so. Until you PM me your address and start paying my bills, then you're just full of hot air. Period. Practice what you preach.
Bravo! 100 stars for you if I could.
How about another of you bleeding heart libs send me your address and I will do the same. Sleep in your bed, eat your food, run up your electric, let you pay my medical and school bills. Practice what you preach libs.





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