Paralyzed illegal costs taxpayers millions. REFUSES deportation , page 15

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Ronfairness
How does an illegal benefit me?

If that isn't the summary of the exact type of sentiment that is destroying our nation, I don't know what is. I'd take an "illegal" immigrant any day over somebody with your backwards self-centered attitude. An "illegal" immigrant represents the spirit of our nation more than your xenophobic rantings ever could.

How is my attitude self-centered? I know tons of families that are american that don't have a job because illegals work for less, that is a fact. As far as an "illegal" immigrant representing the spirit of our nation, I find that hard to believe. You see, while the rest of us documented americans pay into our tax systems to benefit others who ALSO pay into the same thing (inmates excluded), illegal immigrants don't pay taxes because they are not citizens. So they just mooch off of us. Also, the only reason they can work for less, is because THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES. Yeah, some "spirit" buddy. Your full of #.

SecondAmendmentUser

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 02:24 PM

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Bottom line, when you VIOLATE US immigration laws you are an enemy invader and should be treated as such.
The harshest measures should be taken to prevent our border from being violated. Actually indeed since the federal government REFUSES defend the borders of the USA the citizens can do so...and should do so with deadly force.
I can tell you that if enough criminals crossing the border died doing so the problem would no longer exist.
Mine the entire border and place sharp shooters and drones along it in congested areas.

When this person came across ILLEGALLY he became a criminal and an enemy of the American People, plain and simple.

I can tell you that if millions of gringos came pouring over the mexican border illegally, without a pot to piss in, you can be SURE that the mexican authorities would not be the fools that our officials are. And indeed the mexicans would state that it was a cultural invasion as well as a security and societal threat.

La Raza would approve.

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daskakik

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by SecondAmendmentUser
Bottom line, when you VIOLATE US immigration laws you are an enemy invader and should be treated as such.
The harshest measures should be taken to prevent our border from being violated. Actually indeed since the federal government REFUSES defend the borders of the USA the citizens can do so...and should do so with deadly force.
I can tell you that if enough criminals crossing the border died doing so the problem would no longer exist.
Mine the entire border and place sharp shooters and drones along it in congested areas.

When this person came across ILLEGALLY he became a criminal and an enemy of the American People, plain and simple.

I can tell you that if millions of gringos came pouring over the mexican border illegally, without a pot to piss in, you can be SURE that the mexican authorities would not be the fools that our officials are. And indeed the mexicans would state that it was a cultural invasion as well as a security and societal threat.

La Raza would approve.

You keep going on like what you say actually has an affect on the actual situation. Unless you and a fair number of like minded individuals live up to your user name than all your doing is ranting.

Bottom line is you don't get to dictate bottom lines.

buddhasystem

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Procession101

Originally posted by buddhasystem

"I wanted to live the American dream"? Since when is this a valid reason to allow people into this country?

Pretty sad that it isn't what the United States is about any more isn't it?
2nd line.

No it's not. The lot is full. Life moves on. Immigration control is just part of it.

buddhasystem

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by daskakik
How do they steal jobs when the employer willingly hires them?

Both commit a violation, I think that's clear. If I buy goods that I'm certain were stolen, and then resell these someplace else, both the thief and I are partners in crime. I thought that much is obvious.

Those jobs don't belong to the unemployed US citizen. It isn't their property.

Oh please. What's next? Air does not belong to the unemployed US citizens, so it's OK to pollute air? Fish in the lake doesn't belong to us either, so poaching is OK? Is it OK to smuggle goods into the US? Certainly the smuggled goods do not belong to you or I. Is it OK to sell counterfeit goods?

the4thhorseman

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by ladyteeny

i have empathy for you too, if i lived in the usa i wouldn't be able to afford it either. that doesn't make it right.... you SHOULD have free healthcare, everybody should as far as i'm concerned.

but why should he be taken from his family and relocated? if you moved to australia, fell in love and then had a child but also a devastating accident while supporting your family, would you want to be deported unceremoniously like that? i think not.

You have NO idea what you are talking about in this IF you do not live in the US. I am speaking from experience. When I lost my job a couple of years ago and when I needed a little help from a system that I PAID into I was denied FOODSTAMPS..was almost denied medical coverage for MY WIFE and UNBORN child BOTH legal US citizens. Lets face it I was the wrong race and I knew English.

I live in a boarder state and I SEE it everyday 3 kids in the shopping cart and one on the way..that is how the Illegals role in Tejas! The more kids they have the more they get for free.

You want cheaper healthcare. Close the boarders to ILLEGAL immigrants using our hospitals for normal health check ups. Case in point. When my wife and I where in the hospital in the room next us an Illegal who of course spoke no English came into the room, the Doctor had to call some one to translate...DO YOU KNOW WHAT she came in for? A FREAKIN PREGNANCY TEST! Something she could of bought at the local Drug Store!!!!!!!

THIS IS WHY we have no sympathy for this illegal aliens in the US. Fine if you don't want to separate him from his family then send his whole family back.

You want jobs back in the US?! Close the borders!

"Of jobs created in Texas since 2007, 81 percent were taken by newly arrived immigrant workers (legal and illegal)," says the report from the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that advocates reduced levels of both legal and illegal immigration. The report estimates that about 40 percent of the new jobs were taken by illegal immigrants, while 40 percent were taken by legal immigrants. The vast majority of both groups, legal and illegal, were not American citizens.

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In case anyone missed it...40% of all new jobs created at least in Texas were TAKEN BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

SecondAmendmentUser

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by daskakik

You keep going on like what you say actually has an affect on the actual situation. Unless you and a fair number of like minded individuals live up to your user name than all your doing is ranting.

Bottom line is you don't get to dictate bottom lines.

Ah, now we're getting somewhere, so you ACKNOWLEDGE we are living under tyranny!

When the gov't violates the law of the land, We The People have the right to make right any wrongs. Bottom line.

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daskakik

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 03:53 PM

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To the victor go the spoils of war.

If the constitution was violated and replaced by tyrannts than their code is law. Just like the victors of the revolutionary war imposed their law, The Constitution, on the 13 states. Any way you slice it it is still law.

daskakik

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 03:57 PM

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If there are 2 panhandlers on a corner and I give one a dollar does than mean he stole that dollar from the other panhandler?

Sure the laws says it is a violation but it isn't theft.

Actually the natural resources do belong to the citizens but not man made jobs. So no that is not next.

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SecondAmendmentUser

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 04:29 PM

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To the victor go the spoils of war.

If the constitution was violated and replaced by tyrannts than their code is law. Just like the victors of the revolutionary war imposed their law, The Constitution, on the 13 states. Any way you slice it it is still law.

Except those laws are null and void, this is where it gets interesting....it's been a long time since my people have become angered. Most of the time we tend to be peacable but when aroused with indignation and pushed into the a corner, well you get my drift.
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daskakik

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 05:03 PM
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They are not null and void. When a country is taken over and a new government is put in place the new laws rule. The constitution is null and void but they don't want to tell you because you might get angry and start talking about, well you get my drift.

On another thread I mentioned the Civil war. Someone said that it wasn't a civil war but the second revolutionary war. Now if the first put the constitution in place what did the second do? That was almost 150 years ago.

SecondAmendmentUser

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by SecondAmendmentUser

The constitution is null and void but they don't want to tell you because you might get angry and start talking about, well you get my drift.
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.......TYRANNY....and another revolution...and you'd be right. Except this time I think the elite criminal cabal are going to get a beat down like they haven't ever had before. The french revolution will pale in comparison.

I'm hoping they are smart, but they have had it THEIR way for a long time now so arrogance has set in....no, I think they are going to get a severe beat down before they get it in their heads they need to vamoose!

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CrippledAhole

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 06:31 PM
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this is hilarious. Were all immigrants we stole this land from the natives years ago. And now I'm also quadriplegic, and nothing but a drain on society, but because of my nationality that's okay? if I had the balls, I'd kill myself in part just for this reason, not to mention this life is hell. but I don't so I'm stuck here in this broken body.

if I were this immigrant (and had a will to live) I would want to stay here as well. Blame the medical industry for keeping people like myself alive to begin with. I sure as hell didn't ask to be here or be kept alive.

acmpnsfal

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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While I appreciate your stance as someone who has a disability I feel like you are speaking a little too generally. A lot of people that have disabilities contribute to society. They dont just sit at home and collect money from the government.

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SecondAmendmentUser

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by CrippledAhole
this is hilarious. Were all immigrants we stole this land from the natives years ago.

Kennewick man was here tens of thousands of years before the any of the indians arrived in North America. So actually no, we didn't "steal it", this line is just more propagenda from the globalists that want to create a unified slave race. I can tell you that the archaeology researchers have been told to keep a lid on the reality of kennwick man. Also they found the remains on the coast of Oregon and Washington St, on indian tribal territory and they have done everything possible to prevent the truth from getting out.

if I were this immigrant (and had a will to live) I would want to stay here as well. .

Yeah and if you did so legally there would be no issue at all.

Night Star

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by CrippledAhole
this is hilarious. Were all immigrants we stole this land from the natives years ago. And now I'm also quadriplegic, and nothing but a drain on society, but because of my nationality that's okay? if I had the balls, I'd kill myself in part just for this reason, not to mention this life is hell. but I don't so I'm stuck here in this broken body.

if I were this immigrant (and had a will to live) I would want to stay here as well. Blame the medical industry for keeping people like myself alive to begin with. I sure as hell didn't ask to be here or be kept alive.

You are a legal citizen, there is no issue with you, but when an illegal has his needs met before a citizen that is a problem. It is upsetting that some people have no problems with an illegal having all his needs met and don't care about a citizen on some mile long waiting list or one who cannot even get the help they deserve.

buddhasystem

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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That's a pretty long thread already, and I will say that I still haven't heard a half-decent explanation of why the US citizens should be paying the expenses of a foreigner who they didn't even invite for a visit. Should we clean up all pollution in China (pretty bad, actually) or convert Somalia into some sort of African Switzerland, not expense spared, at the cost of ruining the US?

Madness or stupidity it is, I can't be bothered to discern. Ship his sore ass back to where he came from.

SecondAmendmentUser

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem

Madness or stupidity it is, I can't be bothered to discern. Ship his sore ass back to where he came from.

It actually IS important to discern, because this kind of thing is NO accident, it is part of a calculated plan by the globalists to divide and conquer the USA by flooding the country with alien cultures and people, who again have NO concept of liberty and the ideals and values that the NATION is based on. Do you think most hispanics, especially the ones that come here illegally...have any clue about our Founding Fathers or their ideals? No 9.9 out of 10 times you will hear all hispanics say , they want a better life, sure they MEAN they want to have more money and more things. They don't give a rats behind about the foundation of what allowed this nation to offer such things in the first place.

Again the elite globalists are using multiculturalism and diversity to destroy the foundations that our nation was built on and the masses have been brainwashed via the corrupt public (sch) fool system into accepting these cancerous ideas willingly.

By allowing this criminal invader to stay and actually get medical care and God help us, apply for citizenship is designed to throw sand in our face and demoralize the nation from standing up for what is lawful and just.

I think an posse of armed citizens should show up at where ever this invader is and physically escort him all the way back home, after all We have the right to enforce Constitutional laws if the federal gov't REFUSES to do so, and they are doing just that, refusing to protect the border from enemy invaders.

daskakik

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem
That's a pretty long thread already, and I will say that I still haven't heard a half-decent explanation of why the US citizens should be paying the expenses of a foreigner who they didn't even invite for a visit.

There probably isn't any half-decent explanation. The explanation that works for me is that he has family in the US. Some say he can take them with but why can't they keep him here? If his country can accept his family just because they are his family then why can't the US accept him just because he is their family?
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Night Star

posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by buddhasystem
That's a pretty long thread already, and I will say that I still haven't heard a half-decent explanation of why the US citizens should be paying the expenses of a foreigner who they didn't even invite for a visit.

There probably isn't any half-decent explanation. The explanation that works for me is that he has family in the US. Some say he can take them with but why can't they keep him here? If his country can accept his family just because they are his family then why can't the US accept him just because he is their family?
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Ask that to the thousands of people already waiting in line and doing it legally for their own families to be together. Ask that to all the people waiting on some list for assistance while the illegal is already getting his because he cut the line.
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