Paralyzed illegal costs taxpayers millions. REFUSES deportation , page 1
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Topic started on 25-10-2011 @ 01:25 PM by Make Speed Limit 45
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Updated 10:29 p.m., Monday, October 24, 2011
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Francisco Martinez said he does not want to return to Mexico and leave his common-law wife, Brandi Collen Valderrama, a U.S. citizen, and their 6-month-old son.

Martinez, 37, of Bacliff, broke his back Aug. 17 after falling off a ladder while working on the roof of a bait shop where he was employed.

UTMB doctors saved his life, but he is paralyzed from the chest down, can barely move his hands and needs special care.

The problem for UTMB is that Martinez is undocumented and has no hope of qualifying for workman's compensation or Medicaid. UTMB is forced to bear the expense of Martinez's care until another place can be found for him to go.

Martinez said the social worker badgered him about signing documents that would allow the hospital to purchase him a ticket for Mexico. He refused to sign.

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Our policy should be to deport all illegals - no exceptions. Let his own country pay for his medical care.
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reply posted on 25-10-2011 @ 01:51 PM by FissionSurplus
As taxpayers, we are paying for all sorts of medical treatment for illegals, in ways we usually don't think of.

For example, I worked for years for Texas MHMR. As an intake worker, it was my job to do the initial intake interviews with the parents and children who needed assistance due to mental retardation, autism, etc. Half the time I had to have a Spanish interpreter with me because the parents just came over the border with their handicapped child illegally and knew no English.

We were not allowed to inquire as to their immigration status or whether they were here legally or not. If they got into the building, we were required to assist them. Although much of the funding in this state for mentally handicapped individuals has been cut, let me assure you that at least 1/3 of them receiving assistance, sometimes over $50,000 per year in treatment, medication, durable medical equipment, etc., are illegals. The program is called HCS. Once the client gets through the waiting list, they are on it for life, no questions asked.

The parents willingly admit they snuck over the border from Mexico (and sometimes further south, from Central American countries) because they could not get assistance for their handicapped child in their native lands, and they knew they could hit the gravy train here in the States. They are even paid for caring for their own handicapped child.

Now there is not enough money and the waiting lists are a mile long, so natural citizens who need this assistance have to wait years for it. Perhaps if we had been allowed to winnow out the illegals, there would be plenty of money for those who desperately need it and are here legally.

I don't hate the illegals, though. People will be people, and people who are desperate will take advantage of whatever they can. I despise our government, which knowingly allows this and prevents government workers from separating legals from illegals.


reply posted on 25-10-2011 @ 01:55 PM by CaticusMaximus
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The situation is regrettable. No would should have to live paralyzed. That said:

Since when the hell is deportation an optional service? Who gives a damn if he refuses to sign a paper; thrown his ass to the boarder and let his own country take care of him. His wife and child are free to join him in mexico too.

I agree that the bait shop needs to handle the medical costs since it hired an illegal. It probably cant pay it all back in one lump sum, but Im sure a financially crippling payment plan can be arranged for the bait shop and its negligent owner. With all those illegals working for 60 cents and hour, he'll find a way to manage, Im sure.
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reply posted on 25-10-2011 @ 02:00 PM by navy_vet_stg3
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Great post. One thing to add. At the hospital in Loveland, Colorado (McKee Medical Center), when you go into the ER, everything is in English and Spanish except for ONE thing. The ONE document NOT in Spanish is the little sign on the desk saying, "Payment is expected at time of service." Strange, isn't it?


reply posted on 25-10-2011 @ 02:20 PM by DarthMuerte
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How about some empathy for those of us who cannot afford health insurance being forced to subsidize illegals like this? Send his a** home.


reply posted on 25-10-2011 @ 02:21 PM by navy_vet_stg3
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The horror! Oh Noooooo!!!!!!! Yeah, like a rapist getting torn from his family, or a murderer being tossed into prison for life. Bleh! Get a life. This isn't about compassion, it's about the LAW! This guy made a conscious CHOICE to BREAK THE LAW and come here.

If someone rapes and murders a child, should they be given compassion just because they have a family? If someone comes into your home and steals your possessions, is this forgiven because he went and got married the next day? In my view, NO!

So, spare me the bleeding heart rhetoric.
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reply posted on 25-10-2011 @ 02:23 PM by ladyteeny
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to
post by ladyteeny


How about some empathy for those of us who cannot afford health insurance being forced to subsidize illegals like this? Send his a** home.


i have empathy for you too, if i lived in the usa i wouldn't be able to afford it either. that doesn't make it right.... you SHOULD have free healthcare, everybody should as far as i'm concerned.

but why should he be taken from his family and relocated? if you moved to australia, fell in love and then had a child but also a devastating accident while supporting your family, would you want to be deported unceremoniously like that? i think not.


reply posted on 25-10-2011 @ 02:24 PM by ladyteeny
Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
reply to
post by ladyteeny



The horror! Oh Noooooo!!!!!!! Yeah, like a rapist getting torn from his family, or a murder being tossed into prison for life. Bleh! Get a life. This isn't about compassion, it's about the LAW! This guy made a conscious CHOICE to BREAK THE LAW and come here.

If someone rapes and murders a child, should they be given compassion just because they have a family? If someone comes into your home and steals your possessions, is this forgiven because he went and got married the next day? In my view, NO!

So, spare me the bleeding heart rhetoric.


the LAW is, and predominantly has been, an a**, as we all know.


reply posted on 25-10-2011 @ 02:26 PM by navy_vet_stg3
reply to post by ladyteeny



If I broke the law in Australia then I BROKE THE LAW IN AUSTRALIA, so I should face the consequences. Geez. My wife is British and got her citizenship in August. It would have been horrible if she would have broken a law and got deported. But, guess what.... SHE DIDN'T BREAK THE LAW!!!!! It's really quite simple. Let me dumb it down for you.

Break the law and come here illegally = Deported
Follow the law and come here legally = Welcome


reply posted on 25-10-2011 @ 02:29 PM by ladyteeny
Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
reply to
post by ladyteeny



If I broke the law in Australia then I BROKE THE LAW IN AUSTRALIA, so I should face the consequences. Geez. My wife is British and got her citizenship in August. It would have been horrible if she would have broken a law and got deported. But, guess what.... SHE DIDN'T BREAK THE LAW!!!!! It's really quite simple. Let me dumb it down for you.

Break the law and come here illegally = Deported
Follow the law and come here legally = Welcome


as you as patronising to everybody?

we all know that there are plenty of laws that really make no sense. people are criminalised for victimless crimes. you are still talking about a human being with feelings, who has a new child and partner.

let me dumb it down for you.

human being = empathy
granite = no empathy.
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