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It is indeed astonishing how christians, who label everything that is not christian as "satanic" or "evil" etc, openly express support for a religious faction that outright rejects/insults Jesus, the central figure of christian theology and opposes every bit of doctrines central to christian theology.
It appears to me that christians only NEED "Israel" to exist in the 21st century only because it would mean they are closer to biblical prophecy coming true... with all its wars and plagues, finally culminating in them (christians) finally being "saved". In other words, christians seem to find the existence of the Israeli state as a needed stepping stone, or a pawn for eschatolagical events to come to pass. No Israeli state = no apocalypse
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Points up for discussion...
1. How do you, as a christian, find it ok to support a religious faction that outright rejects Jesus, the central figure of christianity?
2. On what non-theological basis would you say you support Israel / the jewish people?
3. Do you feel that the state of Israel and the jews would become useless in the prophetic scheme of things once Jesus returns ?
4. As a supporter of Israel and the jews, how do you feel about them adamantly rejecting Jesus?
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
While I don't support the Jewish behavior and attitude towards Christ, they are an important part to the end times prophecy. If they don't rebuild the Temple then Christ can never return. The way I see it, the Jews are in a backsliding state and they will be healed when they realize that the Messiah has already come.
Someone asked how come Christians call everyone else satanic but not the Jews. I wouldn't say they are satanic, but some of the things they do seem to fall under that category.
“I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
Originally posted by TheThirdAdam
reply to post by sk0rpi0n
As a christian, I follow the teachings of Christ, and if you read just the red print you will see a very simple but infallable message being taught. Still even those who heard that message straight from Jesus felt that they could improve and expand upon his teachings... That is why we are so divided, because we try to interpret his teachings which were never up for discussion. He gave two commandments, not ten, and if you live by those two commandments, you should never have anything to worry about.
Originally posted by Noey777
Let me simplify this for you , the only difference between us is the question of the Messiah , that being said God the Father is quite clear that he still loves His children and His land . god also makes ot quite clear that anyone who is against Israel is against God Himself .
Let me simplify this for you , the only difference between us is the question of the Messiah
It does not say that.
The Biblical viewpoint (see Romans 9-12) is that the Jewish people are the root of the Christian faith; the root of a plant that we, as Gentile Christians, have been grafted in to.
1:I will bless Israel because the name Israel was given by God Himself. Salvation is of the Jews, as Jesus said.
3:Would the United States have to exist for Bible prophecy to be fulfilled? God's will is going to happen whether we want it to or not,
and they would not be useless, just look at the description of the New Jerusalem. Each gate has the name of a tribe of Israel on it and two elders from each tribe are at the throne of God.
4: Again, their rejection is part of the will of God, their salvation will come when God determines. God did not tell me to reject them, they are still part of the branch He put them in. Don't boast yourself against the vine.