OWS: A rally against common sense from the “Mommy told me I’m special generation”

I hate to be blunt but if you compare the tea party to OWS there are obvious differences, not all but most people in them. The tea party people are generally older or mature, well-mannered, have a tight family (conservatism), and organized. OWS is much younger, rowdier, free-spirited (liberalism) and disorganized. How many tea party protester were arrested compared to OWS? Does that say anything? OWS didn't even bother to get permits.

So what are the primary attributes of being young? They are emotional and easy to manipulate. Many of them also use drugs, again making them very easy to manipulate. The puppet masters have been using envy, hate, and greed to divide and have people go against each other, and its working, because they are emotions that are easy to bring out. Emotional people are the ones who are easiest to control because logic means nothing to them.

Everyone there thinking they are fighting the system and being independent have to get real. That's what they want you to think, when actually they are being used as a tool. They would probably think I'm the one whose being played, but its the opposite, they are the sheeple.

Compare:
communities.washingtontimes.com...

Brainwashing by chanting:
www.breitbart.tv...

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean

WE WILL HAVE REFORM EVEN IF IT COMES TO ARMS!!!!!!!!!

This, my friends, is the REAL end goal of these "peaceful" demonstrations. It's no accident that we are hearing it more and more frequently.

I've never been in a single fight in my life but I own a rifle and I know how to use it. Every living or non living structure in the universe is an atomic composition. Life and death are an integral part of self aware matter that allow for change over time. I welcome peace wholly but when scumbag politicians sitting atop their gilded thrones order the poor of our country to murder the defenseless of other countries I get riled up and being a pacifist starts to lose its meaning.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by jaws1975
God help us! This should be the topic that 90+% of the people should be on the same side. We are such a divisive country that we cant all agree that we are getting f******! Come on people, get over your ego's need to always be right and lets come together to fix this cause our politicians won't!

Then why weren't the OWS folks at the Tea Party rallys?

I agreed with a lot of what the tea party had to say, unfortunetly they were co-opted and marginalized before their message was supported by the masses. I think the difference between the two protests is that we have finally gotten to the point where we have realized neither party is working for us. It's not about voting left or right, it's about getting fundamental change.

Originally posted by jaws1975

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by jaws1975
God help us! This should be the topic that 90+% of the people should be on the same side. We are such a divisive country that we cant all agree that we are getting f******! Come on people, get over your ego's need to always be right and lets come together to fix this cause our politicians won't!

Then why weren't the OWS folks at the Tea Party rallys?

I agreed with a lot of what the tea party had to say, unfortunetly they were co-opted and marginalized before their message was supported by the masses. I think the difference between the two protests is that we have finally gotten to the point where we have realized neither party is working for us. It's not about voting left or right, it's about getting fundamental change.

And OWS hasn't been co-opted by the DNC, CAIR, unions, leftists, socialists, communists?

I think before people discount the claims that the OWS is a socialist movement you should consult:
www.marxists.org...

Read Karl Marx Communist Manifesto, it won't take too long (I'm sure you're all educated and open minded people). Then compare what you read to what is being spouted in this thread on the Pro-OWS side of things.

People who say this is a subscription to a false right/left paradigm are incorrect. The comparison is perfectly valid. All movements must adopt a philosophy in order to further the cause and what are 'politics' but a philosophy in action?

Originally posted by Ultraman2011
This is great! Never expected such a response. I thought some of you might benefit from the following link:

www.foxnews.com...

It's short and easy to read. And, most importantly, I found it on a Fox News site, which I know most of you will respect and appreciate. Enjoy.

Wait... Fox News, respect, and appreciate, all in the same post? An opinion article comparing real life to a television show written by a mainstream media outlet? At first I took you seriously, now I see you were joking all along.

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Its not so much protesting because you dont want to play the game. Its more about protesting that the game itself is rigged. Theres a difference.

Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac


I've never been in a single fight in my life but I own a rifle and I know how to use it. Every living or non living structure in the universe is an atomic composition. Life and death are an integral part of self aware matter that allow for change over time. I welcome peace wholly but when scumbag politicians sitting atop their gilded thrones order the poor of our country to murder the defenseless of other countries I get riled up and being a pacifist starts to lose its meaning.

Being a pacifist never had any meaning to lose for me, but to each his own. Peace is to be striven for, but pacifism as a way of life just never had any appeal for me.

Some advice, and you may take it or reject it as you will. There's more to knowing how to use a gun than the mere mechanics of lining up the sights and squeezing the trigger, especially when engaging in a firefight with targets that don't just sit there, but inexplicably insist on shooting back. I submit to you that lifelong pacifists may be at some disadvantage in that scenario.

Warfare of the shooting and bleeding variety is not for the skittish nor the emotional. Occupiers should keep that firmly in mind before just allowing themselves to be borne along by the Tides of the crowd. I've been to war, but I've never killed a defenseless person in my life, with or without "orders".

That's not how war works, even for a seething mob.

Originally posted by relpobre000
I think before people discount the claims that the OWS is a socialist movement you should consult:
www.marxists.org...

Read Karl Marx Communist Manifesto, it won't take too long (I'm sure you're all educated and open minded people). Then compare what you read to what is being spouted in this thread on the Pro-OWS side of things.

People who say this is a subscription to a false right/left paradigm are incorrect. The comparison is perfectly valid. All movements must adopt a philosophy in order to further the cause and what are 'politics' but a philosophy in action?

I posted this some time ago, and it was in turn a compilation and re-editing of about three earlier posts I'd made, in order to bring the whole into a sharper focus.

I believer you are right. I hadn't read that link back when I originally posted that, but I've had to deal roughly with collectivists before upon occasion, and was aware of the signs to look for. I don't believe most of the OWS mob are collectivists - I believe that THEY think they are only doing what they think is right. I believe that goodwill is being corrupted and co-opted by collectivist "organizers" if you will, and that they are being positioned as tools in the hands of just another set of tyrants,

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I dont own an iphone or any apple products.I can do without them fine.I think boycotting products and services of corporations is a decent idea in the short term.I have seen docos about those Chinese peasants that live at factories.Its shocking.I blame corporations like apple for exploiting those people not consumers.I also blame your government for creating an environment where this is possible.And I agree with you that consumers/the public have been somewhat complicit.We have to stop that.Instead of boycotting,how about when the protests hit critical mass we seize ownership of apple just like Hitler took corporations like Volkswagon.A company like apple has the potential to do so much good in the world for so many people.And apple is just the tip of the iceberg,imagine the technology the military is sitting on.It is sad that westerners for the most part have sat back and allowed corporations like apple to exploit people in third world countries.Its sad that most westerners only grow a social conscience when they themselves have something to lose.But it doesnt matter how we got here,we are here,and we are fighting the good fight. The protests are global,we dont want to just save ourselves from the ruling elite,we want to save our brothers in Chinese factories as well.And yes,I mentioned Hitler,no I am not a nazi and I am not against capitalism.I do think corporations should have a social conscience and be in the public/global interest.And boycotts are thinking too small,think bigger..

reply to post by relpobre000

The Communist Manifesto is arrogant and aggressive.It is also about communism not socialism.I think OWS is more like Hitlers Nazi Party.Maybe it has elements of both,and god knows how many other things.It is all encompassing.Everyone is welcome.At this stage it is a conversation.I could argue OWS are Neocons that are concerned that too much power is in the control of too few,which has resulted in a threat to national/global security.Its only a matter of time before one of these elite private citizens builds their own nucular device.Individuals in todays world have the ability to gain too much power and it is a threat to us all.Yep,its a right wing conservative movement
Gaddafis Green Book is a good read too hey.

Originally posted by theovermensch
reply to post by nightbringr

 

Instead of boycotting,how about when the protests hit critical mass we seize ownership of apple

Here we see yet ANOTHER piece of the puzzle slipping out. It is exactly as the model I posted in the post I linked to above predicts.

Someone try to tell me that's not collectivism in action. Anyone. Go ahead, just try.

I dare you.

reply to post by nenothtu

I dont speak for anyone.Just some of what I hope happens.I just think its strange that everyone thinks the movement cant get things done.There are many examples throughout history where abrupt,radical change was brought about. Maybe your 'Super Commitee' will fix things but I doubt it.Your country and the world needs abrupt radical change.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean

WE WILL HAVE REFORM EVEN IF IT COMES TO ARMS!!!!!!!!!

This, my friends, is the REAL end goal of these "peaceful" demonstrations. It's no accident that we are hearing it more and more frequently.

Make sure those arms are clean and your powder is dry - I assure that mine will be when you come to take what little I have left.

See you in the Tall Grass.

When/if the zombie hoards come, we need to gather like minded citizens to protect each other from them. But I wouldn't worry too much. Look at any youtube video of those crowds. Doubt many have spent a single day at the range.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by theovermensch
reply to post by nightbringr

 

Instead of boycotting,how about when the protests hit critical mass we seize ownership of apple

Here we see yet ANOTHER piece of the puzzle slipping out. It is exactly as the model I posted in the post I linked to above predicts.

Someone try to tell me that's not collectivism in action. Anyone. Go ahead, just try.

I dare you.

Exactly.

You cannot tell me after a comment of "seize Apple for the people", that you are not a communist. God help us all if people like you gain power.

Originally posted by theovermensch
I agree with you that consumers/the public have been somewhat complicit.

There's an understatement. How would the machine run without our participation?

Originally posted by theovermensch
We have to stop that.Instead of boycotting,how about when the protests hit critical mass we seize ownership of apple just like Hitler took corporations like Volkswagon.

Whut? Why are some trying to draw fire? Passive resistance is still working. Even if we were to cause Apple to be abandoned, there would just be office space here. The manufacturing slaves are in China. Despite Apple being trendy and greedy, they have made steps toward being green. There needs to be a color for freeing the slaves. How about blue?

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It would help if they had a defined goal. These protests are all over the place with views and there is no clear or defined message. Some are saying they want college for free. Who do they think pays for FREE! The working person does. Others are holding signs that they are Socialists or Communist. Do they even know what they want? All while they are on their laptops, Ipads and Iphones. Wow, So your response to me is that it is the older generations fault.
Well we both agree we want limited government in our lives. I just see the OWS as wanting more Government in our lives. I guess the media is doing their job confusing all of us. They have us all divided. Sad really!

reply to post by nenothtu

No.

I'm just not getting the whole "Economic Sovereignty of Planet Earth" thing.

It's probably just me. I'd prefer ME to be sovereign, and YOU to be sovereign, and don't quite grasp the abstract notion of a ball of rock being sovereign.

Ok, you know what? that's a Fair, if somewhat semantic, point.

"The Economic Sovereignty of the *PEOPLE* of the planet earth"

Better?

reply to post by gentledissident

Right now,the U.S. Federal Government could preempt all state corporate law under the courts current expansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause.You could get around the Tenth Amendment and get them all out of Delaware.Be a good idea to remove Corporate Personhood too,it mocks the Bill of Rights.Also I am sure that in a national emergency your government,through an Exective Order can seize control of pretty much everything.Its already an emergency.When your founders freed themselves from England they were freeing themselves from the corporations and banks as much as the English Government.They knew corporations had to be kept in check.Incorporation is a privlege.Initially all corporations were selected to enable activities that benifited the public.Shareholders were only enabled to profit as a means to an end.Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections,public policy and other realms of society.They had alot of other conditions imposed on them as well.like they could not make any political or charitable donations.I can see why alot of Americans are obsessed with your founding fathers and your Constitution.They are kick ass.The Four Tier Class System in Fuedal Japan had merchants as the lowest class in society,below the more productive artisans and peasants.Samuria were also kick ass,I am not encouraging fire just because I mention Hitler and I didnt say I want to destroy Apple.I also didnt say I was an Environmentalist and I could care less how green Apple are or how much Bill Gates donates to charity.Nuke the whales for all I care.Apple can try to distract me with their token PR all they like,Im not fooled.I know where the factories are,and I like i said,this is Global.The United States Government affects every individual on the planet.It is your empire.Its time to strike back at the empire.

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I would think if you main issue of contention was corporations, banning corporate lobbying and donations, and stricter regulations would be what you want. But you already said you would like to "seize" apple and the like "for the people". To what ends? What would you do with the current CEOs? Simply fire them, or perhaps try them for treason and seize their assets? How would you run Apple after? Government owned and run asset? Where would this stop? Would you only seize corporations (which would simply take the loss of their headquarters and move elsewhere), or would you begin to nationalize all private businesses as well?

Maybe some of your anger should be directed at China, who allow the subhuman workin conditions you keep mentioning?

Slippery slope your on, I really doubt you have thought any of this through.