Why Pi = 3.141 .. instead of 3.144?

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posted on Oct, 29 2011 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by JackTheTripper
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So I have to wait 19... nevermind.




posted on Oct, 29 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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A = E, B = D, C = O
The conversion from Polar coordinates (R, Theta) to Cartesian coordinates (X, Y) is pretty simple. X=R*Cos(Theta) and Y:=R*Sin(Theta). But this is completely ot


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posted on Oct, 29 2011 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by JackTheTripper
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A = E, B = D, C = O
The conversion from Polar coordinates (R, Theta) to Cartesian coordinates (X, Y) is pretty simple. X=R*Cos(Theta) and Y:=R*Sin(Theta). But this is completely ot


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In mathematics, the polar coordinate system is a two-dimensional coordinate system in which each point on a plane is determined by a distance from a fixed point and an angle from a fixed direction.



So, converting from a 2d system to a 3d system is pretty simple?
I was working in 3d (X, Y and Z axis) but apparently I was OT.
Tell me more.

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posted on Oct, 29 2011 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by JackTheTripper
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X=R*Cos(Theta) and Y:=R*Sin(Theta).
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Funny....
Those are the "variables" I used to use to draw circles when I was learning to program.
R= desired radius
Theta= angle in radian degrees.


void draw_circle ()
{
int x, y;
int length = 50; // radius
float angle = 0.0; // starting angle
float angle_stepsize = 0.1; // increment angle by degree

// go through all angles from 0 to 2 * PI radians
while (angle < 2 * PI)
{
// calculate x, y from a vector with known length and angle
x = length * cos (angle);
y = length * sin (angle);

putpixel (screen,
x + SCREEN_W / 2, y + SCREEN_H / 2,
makecol (255, 255, 255));
angle += angle_stepsize;
}
}

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posted on Oct, 29 2011 @ 05:02 AM
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4- 4sin²x = cos x , 0



posted on Oct, 29 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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A Pythagorean Value of Pi

Pythagoras holds the value for the diameter of the sun, which is 864 x 1000 miles.

www.harmonictheory.com...

31680 / 576 = 55 = PI-ANO or OR-GAN
31680 - 576 = 31104 (See above link)

magazine.nd.edu...

BACH + JS BACH = 41 + 41 = 55
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posted on Oct, 29 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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"Having an intellectual conversation with a holy roller, or gematria-freak is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."
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posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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Still no mathematical disprooving?



posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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Here's an imaginary experiment: If you draw a (perfect) circle and bisect the circle with an (imaginary) line to mark the starting/ending point, the (imaginary) line has two sides when focused. Normal calculation of pi uses the both sides of this imaginary line - the other side as the starting point and the other as the ending point - and thus provides the arithmetical value of 3.141... But then the circle is not full - there is infinitesimal gap because of this line.
On the other hand, if the same side of the imaginary line would be used, the circle would be overlapped.
The only way to get to the exact middle of this imaginary line is to use the golden mean derived from fibonacci sequence.

As there is no perfect line nor a perfect circle in nature, it seems that nature (as human) is constantly approximating/perfecting to the golden mean, so the arithmetic value for the pi is naturally endless/transcendential.

Please disprove me or accept as a fact. Do not approve indoctrinated "facts" that blind you.
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posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by JackTheTripper
W H Y ?
Why and who have made this pact the pi must be calculated like that - which is not any way related to nature (as fibonacci sequence and golden ratio and hence the pi value of 3.1446... are)?


People who are better at math than you and I are.

Pi is based on a circle. Pi is not based on nature, and neither is the Fibonacci sequence. It's the other way around. We find in nature the Fibonacci sequence. It is NOT a perfect relationship that we see in nature. If you were to measure shells of nautiluses and sunflowers, etc, you would see that they are "off" by varying degrees. They are not clone stamped reproductions.

The mathematical proofs for this are the ideal "perfect" representation of the golden ratio and such, but even then, they are forever expanding; they never end. They do at some point become so close to other numbers that we "snip off" the end of the sequence and consider it trivial.

It's like how .99999999999999999999999999999999...going on and on and on, is actually equal to 1.

9.999999999999999999 = 10
- .999999999999999999 = - 1
=
9 = 9

the .9 (repeating) that I subtracted leaves 9, which is what we get subtracting 1 from 10. Therefore, .9 (repeating) equals 1.



posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Did you read the whole thread - including my post above prior replying?
Your post is not helping at all to the dilemma. Please give it some thought.



posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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Very Interesting....but it needs to be stated also that the Fibonacci Ratio does not start out at 1.618 but only approaches it after N+.....in the sequence (ie, 8/3 = 1.625....21/13=1.615...55/34=1.617+).



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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.. From vortexspace.org...

It has been proved by earth's thought-leaders in mathematics that Pi can be exactly derived from a whole number and that the previously used value of Pi by "legacy mathematics" is approximately 0.0958% too small. This becomes significant at the level of precision needed in producing synchronously reinforcing magnetic-field producing structures.

This is possible because a new discovery has been made allowing phi to be defined in terms of a ratio of the area and circumference of a circle. [...]

Current methods of finding Pi using "successive approximation" of a curve into lines fall short. Pi cannot be solved via successive approximation and will always come up as short (which is why current methods show it is 3.141) - this is because of the fractal nature of space and that a curve in space can actually be subdivided infinitely. So no matter how many times you divide a curve into a straight line and do another successive approximation - there will still be a portion of the curve, or another crevice inside of the curve - that you still have not gotten. Thus all previous methods at calculating pi from successive approximation of curves into lines fall short because they are missing small crevices in the curve.
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posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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I think the change is a symbolic reflection of what is happening in the world. It is a geometric venue of producing a forced conformity. The "eye of god" is a contrived solution. It is a repetition of the beehive construct and can also be applied to the control mechanisms of restrictions and forced constructs placed upon human beings to achieve a static form of unity.



posted on Dec, 3 2011 @ 02:27 AM
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The value Sqrt[16/((Sqrt[5] + 1)/2)] converted to base (Sqrt[5] + 1)/2) ( or 4/sqrt(phi) to base phi ) gives of course the most beautiful and elegant representation of this (and first time ever published):

RealDigits[sqrt(16/((sqrt(5)+1)/2)), GoldenRatio, 111][[1]] or RealDigits[4/sqrt(GoldenRatio), GoldenRatio, 111][[1]]

Result:

{1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0}

And as a constant (usually in base 10)
10.0010010101010010101000000000001001000010101000000001000010000010000100101001000100101001000100010010000001010

I think this should be in the OEIS database..

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Compared to the expansion of the standard pi in golden base according to OEIS A102243:
10.0010010101001000101010100000101001000010010100010000010101010101000000100001010000100001010001001001000
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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Well, I guess this is uninteresting...?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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Is here anyone who could pass this thread to mathematics major or professor for review as any educated opinions have now been ceased to pop out?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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sqrt(phi) = CircleArea*16 / CircleCircum^2.

How much proof we do need to say the current system is flawed?



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Hmm. I just tried to post the same info to GLP to get some replies concerning the proof as no-one here comment on it - and the thread got deleted. I wonder why..



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 04:00 PM
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Pi (3.14159265...) can only be rational if you make 2 circles one inside the other put 2 on both sides of the inside one which is truthfully the same as the outer circle their both 0s right
The inside one just has a circle +1 and a -1 or -1, +1 or circle ( A ) and ( B ) the center one we will call ( O ) and the outer ( o ) So ( O ) = (o) but ( A ) and ( B ) do not equal ( o )
but each one A or B does equal ( O ) the center circle But ( A ) and ( B ) are polarities to the other

You see Infinity is both within and without the ( O ) center circle and ( o ) outer circle making them 2 the same But one different the ones ( A ) and ( B ) are only different from ether ones + or - perspective if you use all the 3 inside circles radius ( A ) ( O ) ( B ) and across the big circle ( o ) and rap the central ( O ) with that you get 9.1428571428571428571428571428571... much more rational



And the Inverse to which is



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we view the forward progression of time like in terms of our life, the lives of other living things because even planet and stars are living things that we measure the universe by and wonder why it all doesn't seem to fit together just like we cant seem to find the end of Pi

But all living things are fated to die eventually thus living is dieing and dieing is living right so our belief in understanding time as having a forward motion is relative to the world that we live and see before us.

This leads me to believe that time is in fact moving backwards which is why all living things whether plant, animal, planets or the stars fight against force of death/gravity to exist
which makes sense since seeing only matter not dark matter or whatever is made of living things you cant really see dead things to well




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