Greed Strikes Occupy Wall Street - The battle over $500,000 bankroll

Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by Shirak

 

Who is accountable then? Who decides what the funds are being used for? Many of us would like to know who is running the show.

reply to post by MidnightTide


Those who stand forward and volunteer. Those who have shown goodwill and integrity in said process. Ie those who say you must record what you need this for so that we have an accurate accounting of spending's.
These will be the unsung heros of the peoples movement. Those people who are prepared to deal with the entitled ego brats to push this where it needs to go.
They are the ones who namelessly provide the structure logistics and human smarts to make this not about a bunch of people winging but a force to be reckoned with. The will of the people given rebirth through the people and of the people.
You can bet you''ll have the media blowing headlines like this world wide in an attempt to smear the intention and turn public support.

Originally posted by AzureSky
Im not surprised they want paperwork
They need to keep track of said finances.

But yeah, i think saving the money for things they need should be top priority (as winter is coming), so they'll need lots of winter stuff coming soon, doubt 500,000 would even cover all the winter gear 300+ people need

True. Why believe the MSM for anything? I got this in an email today comparing OWS to the Tea Party. I think the contrasts tell us the stark difference in these movements is that one is by the people and for the people and another is Corporately sponsored part of falling in line with NWO and the leanings of Corporatism.

Tea Party
Astroturf
Every event covered by the media.
Advertised beforehand by FOX News.
Participants mock the sick and the poor.
Anti union, anti poor, racist, bigoted, xenophobic.
Funded by the Koch Brothers.
People appear with assault rifles, shout and spit at members of Congress - Police take no notice.
This is what fascism looks like.
Benefits the 1%

Occupy Wall Street
Grassroots
Movement Media ignores occupation for over a month, then ridicules them.
Participants provide free food, basic health services and emotional support to everyone present.
Strives for inclusion and world wide participation.
Avoids leaders, consensus of the general assembly.
People show up unarmed, committed to non-violence, and get maced and beaten by Police.
This is what Democracy looks like.
Benefits the 99%

www.getmoneyout.com...

This is wonderful. The story in the original post is a perfect allegory to the pitfalls of socialism and the OWS movement. I don't think anyone can truly appreciate how funny this is....it seems that, even in their perfect utopia, money (like cream) rises to the top and stays there.

To quote Bart Simpson, 'The ironing is delicious.'.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by Kali74
It's growing pains. Wipe your chins from salivating, it's gross.
Of course this is the spin NYP is putting on it, same as the poop issue and that is what it amounts to, poop.
It's been a topic of discussion among organizers for over a week. They are not keeping it, they are asking what should be done with it.

There is no irony here, it has been said all along that this Movement was not about hating money or hating capitalism or hating rich people. It has been about, all along, the corrupt policies, the bailouts, the jobs etc...

So naive, why are they not showing ALL TRANSACTIONS?
(they must be hiding something)

This should be posted!!
Every dime!!
Where that MONEY came from,
Where that MONEY went!!!!

No they took this money and have pocketed it for some nice new .

I DEMAND TRANSPARENCY OWP!!!

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Hey bucko! I've got news for you. You didn't give them any money so you don't have any legal grounds to demand anything. And that goes for the rest of you crying foul too!

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They should use it to lobby the government to pass laws that disallow lobbyists, and taking money for legislation that benefits the banks and corps against the government. LOL! THAT would be poetic justice... although how to do that? What legislation makes it possible to lobby the government? Surley not the one post in the thread by John Paul Z because he explains how that is not the correct one so, what legislation are we talking about allows basically political bribery?

Originally posted by Shirak

Originally posted by MidnightTide

Well, look at that. Human nature rears its ugly head yet again. I have heard that there is an inner circle at OWS, a section where only a select few are allowed to enter. (don't have a source for that, just something I remember reading at one point) I know some want socialism, an ideal state where everyone is looked after and everyone has the same - but this simply does not work. You will still have a select few fat cats lining their pockets.

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edit on Sun Oct 23 2011 by DontTreadOnMe because: censors and ex tags

Mate you are missing something which makes this conclusion skewed.
When people donate to a non profit those taking cash must be held accountable for their spending.
The paperwork is to show accountability. Its what would stop said person from paying off their mortgage with the money. This guy comes across as a spoilt brat. Granted he says he has provided money to the movement which is great but now he is making headlines talking about how selfish those wh have put their hands up to be accountable are.

Unless they applied for Non-prof status in advanced it would not had been approved in 4 weeks time. If they do have it they applied for it last year which means it was a planned event and there goes the grass roots claim.

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Double speak and simply dodging the question Who is running the show.....who decides who gets what. I know it isn't some crazy free for all - someone is making the decisions. All I am asking is who?

Is asking a simple question an attempt to smear the movement? (and to be blunt, I know it is, some people don't want anyone looking deeper into the OWS movement, but still, asking the question)


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Sorry bucko, but I will ask questions, want to change the world, expect someone to ask you how you plan on going about it, and perhaps, who is directing the show.

Did they elect their leaders or did a group appoint themselves. Why would it be insulting to the movement to ask if they would be transparent with their finances? Isn't that one of their growing list of demands for private corporations? I saw a previous post mentioning the irony of them putting their money in a bank. I think they would want to avoid this and keep the cash on hand for that would be bad publicity. It isn't really a risk because we are told that the protestors are all honest, trustworthy souls. So if word got out they were carrying around half a million dollars they'd be safe. I'll bet most of the protestors are not even aware of the money.

Originally posted by ChesterJohn

Originally posted by Shirak

Originally posted by MidnightTide

Well, look at that. Human nature rears its ugly head yet again. I have heard that there is an inner circle at OWS, a section where only a select few are allowed to enter. (don't have a source for that, just something I remember reading at one point) I know some want socialism, an ideal state where everyone is looked after and everyone has the same - but this simply does not work. You will still have a select few fat cats lining their pockets.

edit on 23-10-2011 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)

edit on Sun Oct 23 2011 by DontTreadOnMe because: censors and ex tags

Mate you are missing something which makes this conclusion skewed.
When people donate to a non profit those taking cash must be held accountable for their spending.
The paperwork is to show accountability. Its what would stop said person from paying off their mortgage with the money. This guy comes across as a spoilt brat. Granted he says he has provided money to the movement which is great but now he is making headlines talking about how selfish those wh have put their hands up to be accountable are.

Unless they applied for Non-prof status in advanced it would not had been approved in 4 weeks time. If they do have it they applied for it last year which means it was a planned event and there goes the grass roots claim.

Thats a big if. Is there any evidence either way to suggest if there is a non profit set up for these donations?
A search of Google and I found several avenues for donations this does not seem to be an Authoritarian based movement.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by Shirak

 

Double speak and simply dodging the question Who is running the show.....who decides who gets what. I know it isn't some crazy free for all - someone is making the decisions. All I am asking is who?

Is asking a simple question an attempt to smear the movement? (and to be blunt, I know it is, some people don't want anyone looking deeper into the OWS movement, but still, asking the question)

edit on 24-10-2011 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)

I did not realize you were asking that question. Please tell me what double speak in my post you are refering to or is that a standard reply to alternate thought.

I have actually gone out and talked to protesters. Your suggestion that someone is running them is severely misguided. Of the protesters I have surveyed
*Information desk volunteer- Independent intelligent wanted to help. Did not refer me to any agenda except to direct me to areas which I could get a coffee. (Communal kitchen area.)
*Placard holder:-Student who decided to spend time out of class to raise awareness about corporate greed. Not attached to any group no one pulling his strings.
*Homeless woman:-Wanted to raise awareness about how hard it was to get affordable housing Made a sign out of a piece of cardboard.
These were all independent thinkers and your almost suggestion that someone/ones is pulling all their strings to direct them to some sort of agenda is quite frankly laughable from my perspective.

Yes I'd agree there will always be money grubbers out there. These people seem to have a social conscience. Those who have put their hand up to allocate donations and request those requesting money to fill out a justification form for transparency as was the testimony of this winger. These people are not the seedy string puller persona's you are projecting on them in your posts. Projection its an interesting aspect of psychology. It says so much

They have a print button so you can print out a receipt so you can use it for your tax deduction. Is that Proof enough for you?

Originally posted by ChesterJohn
They have a print button so you can print out a receipt so you can use it for your tax deduction. Is that Proof enough for you?

Hey man can you give me a few hungi real quick? It's for er food and blankets. No need to take down my name or who its going to on my honor ill be back with a receipt for the goods I purchase on behalf of the movement.

See any problem with this?
I have been in this position before where the people who feel entitled just expect those who are managing the resources to hand them over no questions asked.
Entitled and sometimes scammers.
If hte money request was legit he should have no problem filling out a form to say what for- who he is and contact details for follow up if an audit of the funds is requested.

Originally posted by Shirak

Originally posted by ChesterJohn
They have a print button so you can print out a receipt so you can use it for your tax deduction. Is that Proof enough for you?

Hey man can you give me a few hungi real quick? It's for er food and blankets. No need to take down my name or who its going to on my honor ill be back with a receipt for the goods I purchase on behalf of the movement.

See any problem with this?
I have been in this position before where the people who feel entitled just expect those who are managing the resources to hand them over no questions asked.
Entitled and sometimes scammers.
If hte money request was legit he should have no problem filling out a form to say what for- who he is and contact details for follow up if an audit of the funds is requested.

Well when you give on the donate to OWS NY web site, they give you a receipt for your tax deduction which means they had a non prof status for Occupy wall street or they cannot offer your receipts that would be illegal. Unless they claim the money was for another reason and that would be illegal to collect funds for one cause and give it to another. that is what got ACORN in trouble