if people would just let there bodies handel things but take Cough medicine and Advil or similar things we would have better immune systems

Patients with life threatening symptoms can be helped IF they are put on a ventilator - the single most effective medical intervention for respiratory failure.

BUT

- The average big city hospital has maybe 5 ventilators. Effective treatment will be available only to very few people even in a hospital, because ventilators are in extremely short supply.

NOTE: The Federal Pandemic Plan policies that say which patients are prioritized for access to limited supplies of ventilators... have NOT been made public.

Of every possible scenario that could bring bad times to our lives, this one is really the only one to scare me on a fundamental level. I pray this isn't the mysterious "it". 'I am legend' actually wasn't a movie I enjoyed terribly....and the real life version is something I'd just as soon never see come off the silver screen.

am i safer because i haevnt ever taken a flu shot?

Originally posted by soficrow
A new Dutch study shows that flu vaccines prevent children from building their natural immunity, specifically to other flu viruses. By comparison, a natural infection induces cross-immunity. This means that regularly vaccinated kids are sitting ducks in a pandemic - because they haven't built up their immunity.

Annual vaccination against influenza hampers development of virus-specific CD8+ T cell immunity in children

Infection with seasonal influenza A viruses induces immunity to potentially pandemic influenza A viruses of other subtypes (heterosubtypic immunity). …annual influenza vaccination …hampers the development of virus-specific CD8+ T cell responses.

CIDRAP reports on the study:

Annual flu shots may lower cross-protection

...a faster-evolving virus increases “the threat of emergence of a novel strain which might be one day be more specific to human infection,”

This same thing happens in all species that are vaccinated.

……we know to little about the immune systems to be messing around with them. ...It's like giving a 4yr old a chemistry kit and telling them to go play. Our current experiments with food, animals and stem cell research for humans should make us all shudder at what has already been damaged beyond repair….

I wonder at times if getting outhere and building a strong defense internally is best or to remain away from the whole mess? Sure by staying away you avoid direct contact, but you know as I do it travels in many other ways including air, water even rain at times.

How do you see THIS connecting with your other PRION related information Sophi?

The viruses that make us: a role for endogenous retrovirus in the evolution of placental species

….There is now sufficient evidence to suggest that horizontally transmitted agents [ie., infectious viruses and prions] and gene sets allow the rapid adaption of various living systems…

….We currently think of a virus as an agent that necessarily reduce host fitness and generally cause disease, together with other pathogenic microorganisms, such as bacteria and fungi. …viruses can also invent systems of molecular genetic identity and superimpose a new combined identity onto the infected host. In so doing, a virus can allow the host itself to adapt to the environment and evolve quickly, providing a creative force that the host may further develop into systems of identity and immunity that can contribute directly to host evolution.

...the genomes of placental mammals are also highly infected with retroviruses found only in their genomes (endogenous) and because retroviruses are generally immunosuppressive, I examine the possibility that the embryo is acting like an infectious agent that produces virus to suppress the mother's immune system.
…parasitic viral-like genomes may represent one of the primary mechanisms for the evolution of higher order living systems.

Beyond Nature vs. Nurture

Researchers studying differences in how individuals respond to stress are finding that genes are malleable and environments can be deterministic.

…..Recent advances in stress research (focused on genetic, epigenetic, and molecular events) are inverting implicit assumptions about gene/environment relationships and the nature/nurture divide. The most current data indicate that environments can be as deterministic as we once believed only genes could be, and that the genome can be as malleable as we once believed only environments could be. ….

We know that our environment - what we eat, the toxic compounds we are exposed to - can positively or negatively impact our life span. But could it also affect the longevity of our descendants, who may live under very different conditions? Recent research from the Stanford University School of Medicine suggests this could be the case.

…The finding is the first to show that longevity can be inherited in a non-genetic manner over several generations.

…."We still don't know the exact mechanism of this epigenetic memory of longevity between generations," said Brunet. "We hypothesize that when the parental generation is missing key components that normally regulate chromatin, epigenetic marks are not completely reset from one generation to the next in the germ line, thereby inducing heritable changes in gene expression.

How Longevity Is Passed On

For the first time researchers have shown that epigenetic changes that increase lifespan can be inherited across multiple generations.

….Transgenerational epigenetic inheritance has been reported for a variety of traits across a number of species….

…..A significant number of genes with altered expression were involved in metabolism, a process that is intimately related to aging. “If you screw around with metabolism you screw around with longevity,”….

Hate to keep bugging you,

...but you have been far too timely in the past to ignore what you have brought out in this thread.

flu and a virus is the least of our worries

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

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I fear much of that golden information has been scrubbed at best and withheld online for paid subscribers. What you will find is only what they want you to find.

The population has blown up since those days as well, so the comparisons are not so simple.

There is however a wellspring of info on the subject here within the sacred walls of ats if you just use the search engine.

If this sounded sassy, it is not meant to be, I have just witnessed humanity and its cruelty, brutality, barbaric depravity from my own back porch...

Traumatized...