What is the flash before the plane hits the building?

reply to post by webpirate


The same flash can be seen when tower 1 was struck. I've never seen these flashes properly explained.

Originally posted by ThePostExaminer
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The same flash can be seen when tower 1 was struck. I've never seen these flashes properly explained.

Is an exploding O2 tank not proper enough? I thought it made sense, since oxygen is a pretty volatile substance.

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LOL! Tell NASA that O2 doesn't burn. Next you'll be telling us that H2 doesn't burn and that neither of those two gases are rocket fuel that lifted the shuttle into orbit. ROFL

Originally posted by smugmushroom
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LOL! Tell NASA that O2 doesn't burn. Next you'll be telling us that H2 doesn't burn and that neither of those two gases are rocket fuel that lifted the shuttle into orbit. ROFL

Oxygen will not burn by itself, it needs heat and fuel. If it could then we wouldn't be here would we?

Oxygen is required for combustion, but it won't ignite by itself.

Hydrogen is highly flammable.

Fire Hazard

Flammable gases such as hydrogen, methane, liquefied natural gas and carbon monoxide can burn or explode. Hydrogen is particularly hazardous. It forms flammable mixtures with air over a wide range of concentration (4 percent to 75 percent by volume). It is also very easily ignited.

Oxygen-Enriched Air

Liquid hydrogen and liquid helium are both so cold that they can liquefy the air they contact. For example, liquid air can condense on a surface cooled by liquid hydrogen or helium. Nitrogen evaporates more rapidly than oxygen from the liquid air. This action leaves behind a liquid air mixture which, when evaporated, gives a high concentration of oxygen. This oxygen-enriched air now presents all of the same hazards as oxygen.

Liquid Oxygen Hazard

Liquid oxygen contains 4,000 times more oxygen by volume than normal air. Materials that are usually considered non-combustible, (such as carbon and stainless steels, cast iron, aluminum, zinc and teflon (PTFE),) may burn in the presence of liquid oxygen. Many organic materials can react explosively, especially if a flammable mixture is produced. Clothing splashed or soaked with liquid oxygen can remain highly flammable for hours.

www.ccohs.ca...

Even LOX doesn't burn it simply causes the fuel, part of the three requirements for fire (heat, fuel and oxygen) to be more flammable. Fire needs those three elements, take one away and you have no fire. Oxygen without heat and fuel will not burn, or explode.

BTW Oxygen is not used by itself as a fuel it is an additive, an oxidizer, that allows the fuel, RP-1, liquid hydrogen etc., to burn more efficiently.

Originally posted by ThePostExaminer
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The same flash can be seen when tower 1 was struck. I've never seen these flashes properly explained.

Nobody knows what the flashes were. There is just speculations.

psik

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by ThePostExaminer
reply to post by webpirate

 

The same flash can be seen when tower 1 was struck. I've never seen these flashes properly explained.

Nobody knows what the flashes were. There is just speculations.

psik

And it really doesn't matter much what the flashes were in the grand scheme of things...

Originally posted by ANOK

Oxygen will not burn by itself, it needs heat and fuel. If it could then we wouldn't be here would we?

Partially correct you mean an ignition source say like a tank being ruptured and a spark igniting the oxygen.

Or like this

Hospital Patient In Oxygen Tent Dies in Explosion SUDBURY, Ontario, May 22 (AP) - Mrs Jennie Hannula, 67, was killed Wednesday in St Joseph's hospital by an oxygen tent explosion set off by a lighted cigarette given her by her husband.

Originally posted by PhotonEffect

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by ThePostExaminer
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The same flash can be seen when tower 1 was struck. I've never seen these flashes properly explained.

Nobody knows what the flashes were. There is just speculations.

psik

And it really doesn't matter much what the flashes were in the grand scheme of things...

Agreed!

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by ANOK

Oxygen will not burn by itself, it needs heat and fuel. If it could then we wouldn't be here would we?

Partially correct you mean an ignition source say like a tank being ruptured and a spark igniting the oxygen.

Or like this

Hospital Patient In Oxygen Tent Dies in Explosion SUDBURY, Ontario, May 22 (AP) - Mrs Jennie Hannula, 67, was killed Wednesday in St Joseph's hospital by an oxygen tent explosion set off by a lighted cigarette given her by her husband.

I don't care about your examples, that don't tell the full story. You do this crap all the time, you are shown facts, and then you come back with half assed analogies, and example that miss half the information.

For oxygen to burn there must be heat and fuel, period. If an oxygen tank explodes it's because it came in contact with heat, and some kind of fuel. For example I handled LOX in the NAVY, and you had to be careful not get oil or grease near it.

Oxygen is Not Flammable

Unlike other gases and chemicals, oxygen is not flammable. It is classified as an accelerator, meaning that if there is a fire and oxygen is present, the fire will burn. The more oxygen, the larger the fire and the faster it will spread. We are use to seeing fires burn in an atmosphere containing about 21 percent oxygen. This is the atmosphere in which most materials are tested for safety, such as the covering of the chair in the above story. But when oxygen is flowing near such material, the material absorbs the oxygen and becomes more susceptible to burning.

www.portableoxygen.org...

Also read this...

www.hse.gov.uk...

Oxygen is an oxidizer that is required for combustion along with heat and fuel...

Oxygen, fuel and heat are needed for fire to occur. This is known as the fire triangle.

www.sciencelearn.org.nz...

Lose one of those three and you get no fire.

For the love of god admit you're wrong once in your life... I have no reason to lie, unlike those trying to keep the cover up quiet.

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With pure oxygen, it only takes a small spark to make it burn the things around it.

en.wikipedia.org...

The plane's metal hitting the tower's metal seems like a decent spark starter, and it's highly doubtful that the oxygen tank would have survived unpunctured. Any number of items could have combusted in that flash.

Originally posted by pteridine
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What would a "round fired from the plane" do? The plane was the biggest projectile available and a small cannon shell wouldn't add to the effect of the impact. Likely the flash was either breaking glass or aluminum cladding reflecting sunlight or just the energy of impact.
Conspiracists wouldn't do anything but set the planes in motion and let things fall as they may. Any other contrived plan involving explosives, death rays, missiles, etc. would not have been acceptable because of the chance of discovery.

Discovery by whom? Who is going to bring them to justice, if anything slips through? The supreme court?

The flash looks like an explosion. The explosion takes place just before the plane impact. Its too bright and too isolated in one spot to be a reflection of sunlight. "Death Rays" are quite exotic out of SciFi indeed. Explosives are avaiable to the average American and anybody worldwide who knows what to mix and how.

Originally posted by Varemia
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With pure oxygen, it only takes a small spark to make it burn the things around it.

en.wikipedia.org...

The plane's metal hitting the tower's metal seems like a decent spark starter, and it's highly doubtful that the oxygen tank would have survived unpunctured. Any number of items could have combusted in that flash.

What would set off the exoygend moments before the impact?

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Did you even see the video? The flash doesn't happen until the nose is through the building. Stop being obtuse.