What is the flash before the plane hits the building?, page 3
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reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:07 PM by karen61057
reply to post by ReptileRipper


The planes did not exit the other side of either tower. Please show where you see this. I would like to see it too. As far as I know no plane exited the building on the other side. If you have a vid of this or pics or something to prove what you say please post it for me to see. Thanks.


reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:10 PM by karen61057
reply to post by ReptileRipper


Oh I particularly like where you think that they would need charges to weaken the glass so the plane could get in. Thats halarious. Yes it was pretty heavy duty glass but still. A jumbo jet going through glass doesnt really need the way paved for it.


reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:13 PM by karen61057
reply to post by webpirate


A round fired from a commercial jet? Are we arming our commercial jet liners now? Really there are no lengths you guys wont go to is there?



reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:30 PM by InformationAccount
Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by ReptileRipper


Oh I particularly like where you think that they would need charges to weaken the glass so the plane could get in. Thats halarious. Yes it was pretty heavy duty glass but still. A jumbo jet going through glass doesnt really need the way paved for it.


Ummm what?

The WTC was designed like a giant steel net which surrounded the outside of the building. Not only was it designed to withsatnd the direct impact of a jetliner of the same size and fuel capacity as the one that hit it. But the WTC complex was designed to withstand multiple jetliner impacts.


The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[48] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[49] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[48] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[50] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[51] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[52]

The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[53] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[48] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[48]

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reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:32 PM by karen61057
reply to post by InformationAccount


That's not the oxygen igniting. Its the pressure of the tank that causes the explosion in that case.


reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:33 PM by InformationAccount
Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by InformationAccount


That's not the oxygen igniting. Its the pressure of the tank that causes the explosion in that case.


It is a distinct possibility, but not a proven fact.

It's really just speculation on your part.


reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:35 PM by InformationAccount
Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by InformationAccount


Well if your gonna tell us what answers you want and dont want what's the point of the thread. You only want opinions that match yours. And you know the truth so we wont get anyting past you right?

Its the nose of the plane hitting the building. You didnt see a flash when the wings hit because there was already dust and smoke filling the air .


Let me ask you something Karen.

Do you support the Federal Reserve Corporation?


reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:37 PM by ReptileRipper
Originally posted by waypastvne
Originally posted by ReptileRipper


dude youve got me lost here .


That's because you are a truther and easily confused when it comes to reality. I'll repost the important part for you again since you couldn't find it the first time:

The nose wheel undercarriage was located directly in front of of the E&E room and would have been the first major part of the plane to impact. When GPers say hollow aluminum can, they are neglecting things like this. On impact this undercarriage would decelerate wile the rest of the plane continued forward. So the under carriage smashed through the E&E room as well as knocking a large hole in the building. This is why the flash happens outside of the wall and gives the illusion of happening before impact.




Actually what i`m failing to grasp is .....why.... whatever made that thing pop (if thats even what it is) ... it still doesnt just close the case in one whole sweep , because what your also failing to explain is exactly how these "terrorists" performed the wackiest maneuver ever seen to man , and managed to fly through this "large hole" then dodge the steel in the building before flying out the back window then blowing up . Aluminium and fibreglass ..... VS .... STEEL at god knows what speed ....... there was no reason at all for the nose of that plane to come out of the other side. If theyd hit that spot with rockets and smashed that side of the building out ... the nose of the plane would have still been smashed up as soon as it hit something.

So why did the oxygen tank blow ? , and how did it assist in the entry and exit of the plane ? this makes no sense , wouldnt explosives and a fake plane sound a little more like ... reality ?


reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:43 PM by waypastvne
Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by InformationAccount


That's not the oxygen igniting. Its the pressure of the tank that causes the explosion in that case.


No there's defiantly a fire too, Pure oxygen will make almost anything burn Google Apollo 1 fire for an example.


reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 04:12 PM by InformationAccount
Originally posted by waypastvne
Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by InformationAccount


Is oxygen flamable?




It's tin foil which is attached to the ballon which caused the spark.

As I said in the post above. Oxygen by itself is not flamable.


reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 04:22 PM by waypastvne
reply to post by ReptileRipper


It's a simple question; How do you think explosives work ?


reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 04:24 PM by ReptileRipper
Originally posted by waypastvne
reply to post by ReptileRipper


It's a simple question; How do you think explosives work ?



yeah ... and this is a simple question ... how did they dodge the steel ?
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