What is the flash before the plane hits the building?, page 2

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reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 01:35 PM by ReptileRipper

reply to post by waypastvne

www.youtube.com...

play it from 28 seconds ...... show me a dust cloud that looks like that dude....... its very clear your either not interested , or trying to buy time for the real nut jobs ... the "O.Sers".

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 01:37 PM by InformationAccount

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by ReptileRipper
reply to post by waypastvne

But the whole nose of the plane was in tact when it popped out of the other side...... so the oxygen tank wasnt damaged.

If you look at your video you will see that what is coming out the other side of the building is a cloud of dust. you will also notice it comes out a ways and stops then it is overtaken by the fire ball. The reason why it stops is because air that was pushing it went through it.

You can go to the link below and watch the vapour trail emerge from the centre of the "nose out" and travel outward.

Enter 48 into the go to frame box after picture loads click next button. Click the next button until you reach frame 80. You can then run the video in fwd or rev with the prev next buttons.

www.911conspiracy.tv...

So what is the vapor trail that is comming out of the building?

That object has a higher velocity than the rest of the plane.

edit on 22-10-2011 by InformationAccount because: (no reason given)

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 01:45 PM by waypastvne

Here is a copy / paste repeat of what I posted in the past on this subject.

The first 2 drawings come from the Boeing web site and can be found in the
AIRPLANE RESCUE AND FIRE FIGHTING INFORMATION
767 SERIES FLAMMABLE MATERIAL LOCATIONS

Link:

www.boeing.com...

This drawing gives the general location of the "CREW OXYGEN BOTTLE IN RIGHT SIDE, E & E COMPARTMENT"
E & E stands for electrical and equipment

The second drawing shows an X-ray view of the E&E compartment. Although it does not show the O2 tank,
it does give us a better idea of the size and location of the compartment in relation to the rest of the plane.
Note that the aft bulkhead of the nose wheel bay is also the fwd wall of the E&E compartment.

This is a photo of the E & E compartment. The O2 tank would be under the floor on the left hand side of the picture.
You can also see the external access door used to service the tank and battery.

An emergency O2 tank like the one on UA 175. It is pressurised to 1,800 psi with pure oxygen, not compressed air like scuba tanks.

The nose wheel undercarriage was located directly in front of of the E&E room and would have been the first major part of the plane to impact. When GPers say hollow aluminum can, they are neglecting things like this. On impact this undercarriage would decelerate wile the rest of the plane continued forward. So the under carriage smashed through the E&E room as well as knocking a large hole in the building. This is why the flash happens outside of the wall and gives the illusion of happening before impact.

A photo of N612 UA in its original colors. The O2 tank would be within the red circle.

An O2 tank explosion on a Qantas Boeing 747.

This composite photo was made by Achimspok it's a boeing 767 photo resized and over laid on a frame from the Spiegel TV video to give a clear view of the location of the flash.

This is the highest quality, best view video. The flash happens after the nose impacts the building.

YouTube Link

The oxygen tank is the most likely explanation for the flash.

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 01:46 PM by webpirate

Originally posted by InformationAccount

Originally posted by webpirate

Oxygen DOES NOT explode! Nor does it even burn.

To be fair Oxygen cylinders do explode when struck by a bullet

Right..the tank does explode because it was under high pressure that was suddenly released. The OXYGEN itself does not burn. If it did, then why wasn't there a huge fireball? Shoot a tank of a flammable gas...one that actually burns....say hydrogen and the results will be much different.

There was a minor brief fire because of a spark created by the bullet hitting the metal. The oxygen enhanced the brief fire. But like I said....there are 3 things required to support combustion, and one of them is a fuel source. Another is oxygen and the last is a heat source. Only 2 were ever present for more than a split second. Oxygen IS NOT a fuel source!!!

It does not burn.

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 01:48 PM by ReptileRipper

reply to post by waypastvne

no the flash happens before the plane hits the building .... hence the name of this thread

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 01:50 PM by septic

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Now that's paranoia.

Not only are you saying that the OSers are the unwitting dupes of the conspirators, but also all of the Truthers who disagree with you.

News flash: in your own world view, the 'galvanic corrosion' theory of 9/11 is just another red herring, and you, too are one of the dupes.

Written like someone who has learned all there is to learn.

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 01:51 PM by Seventh

Originally posted by waypastvne

What is coming out the other side of the building is the 19500 cubic feet of air traveling at 800 feet per second that was in the aircrafts cabin.

Silly debunker, can anyone else see why the above statement is horribly wrong?.

Clue - 1st picture - plane still outside tower - *trapped air and explosion already exiting*.

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 01:53 PM by ReptileRipper

reply to post by Seventh

*facepalm* its 2 images

2nd

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 01:56 PM by TheMindWar

Explosives of some kind, probably from the pod on the underbelly of the plane which should not be there

Some idiots even say, "err its a build up of static electricity". This is obviously incorrect and total baloney since the nose of the plane is very thin fiberglass and non conductive

In fact here is one for you, the nose cone of the aircraft is so thin you can push it inwards with force, and birds sometimes, when hit go right through, so how did the nose of the craft go right through solid steel and out the other side of the building?

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 01:57 PM by Seventh

Originally posted by ReptileRipper
reply to post by Seventh

*facepalm* its 2 images
2nd

I know, I just had to be condescending

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 01:59 PM by wlasikiewicz

Some people say its static, some say its a missle some say its a trick of the light, either way you look at it we will never find out the truth of what it really is.

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 02:02 PM by waypastvne

Originally posted by InformationAccount

So what is the vapor trail that is comming out of the building?

That object has a higher velocity than the rest of the plane.

What is coming out the other side of the building is the19500 cu ft of air that was inside the cabin. It will have a high pressure in front of it and a very low pressure (vacuum) behind it. A low pressure will cause a drop in temperature, if it drops below dew point a momentary condensation trail will form. That is the vapour trail.

As for the higher velocity, air passing through a restriction (such as a building) will accelerate due to venture effect.

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 02:12 PM by waypastvne

Originally posted by webpirate

There was a minor brief fire because of a spark created by the bullet hitting the metal.

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 02:21 PM by waypastvne

Originally posted by Seventh

I know, I just had to be condescending .

You should try being condescending and right sometime. It's much more satisfying

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 02:24 PM by waypastvne

Originally posted by ReptileRipper
reply to post by waypastvne

no the flash happens before the plane hits the building .... hence the name of this thread

Already answered two post above yours. It's right above the big picture of the nose gear.

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 02:56 PM by ReptileRipper

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by ReptileRipper
reply to post by waypastvne

no the flash happens before the plane hits the building .... hence the name of this thread

Already answered two post above yours. It's right above the big picture of the nose gear.

You mean the oxygen tank exploded and hit the building ? dude youve got me lost here .

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:01 PM by freakshowfatty

reply to post by InformationAccount

the shock wave of the air in front of the plane moved the glass and its a reflection of the sun not an explosion

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:03 PM by karen61057

reply to post by InformationAccount

Well if your gonna tell us what answers you want and dont want what's the point of the thread. You only want opinions that match yours. And you know the truth so we wont get anyting past you right?

Its the nose of the plane hitting the building. You didnt see a flash when the wings hit because there was already dust and smoke filling the air .

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:05 PM by karen61057

reply to post by TrueAmerican

You forgot such BS.
Yeah it is.

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 03:06 PM by waypastvne