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OWS is doing something wrong Again?!?

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posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by nineix
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The method and solution is the same. Bawl like child long and loud enough, and eventually someone will come along to change the diaper, give a binky, bottle of milk, etc.



My previous reply, can be addressed to you as well. If you don't like the way things are being run, why don't you lead by example? Come up with a solution and put that solution into motion.

Or would you rather just sit there and bad mouth OWS and not really do anything?

Okay, NOW, off I go to write that guest spot for a blog that I was asked to do.

Peace and love

says the pseudo from behind his keyboard as it wanders off to another "voicebox" to DO something ... priceless indeed


lead by example ???
some of us already are and have been for quite a few years.
have you unplugged yet?
what are you doing to assist or resolve or even demand a solution?
just wondering what you're doing besides spouting a whole bunch of nonsense here and there.

before anyone asks ... what do i do ??
the answer is ... plenty ~~ but i sometimes wonder if it's really enough.

i teach, write, encourage, share experiences, barter, give mucho charity (freecycle), don't use banks (CU since 91), don't own property (or pay those taxes), i don't earn income so i don't pay those taxes either, grow food that feeds my neighbors, personally fix their mechanical machines, do yard maintenance, build computers for those in need, volunteer at Goodwill, house, train and adopt feral (homeless) animals and i enjoy my friends' toys (that way i don't have to buy them) ... so, how you doin' ???

oh yeah, almost forgot ... i rely on the financial advice of a good friend who happens to be inflicted with Down Syndrome but boy o'boy he knows his way with money and how to use it. so much so that Suzy Orman would be amazed.

btw, he is disabled / handi-capped, he is not a college graduate, he works for less than $10/hr and he lives alone, drives a nice vehicle, doesn't depend on anyone but himself.
He is an inspiration and a breath of fresh air when compared to the stank provided by the whiners involved with OWS.
edit on 21-10-2011 by Honor93 because: typo



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by rancher1
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Great thread. its so true. OWS as already gave some remedies, people just find something wrong with anything they say, The 2 remedies I know of are,,

1. Reinstate Glass -Steagel
2. Eliminate Corp contributions..

Now you might not like these solutions, but they are there for all to see. Like it or not. If you don't like them like the OP said what's your solution ?


are you serious?
1. Glass-Steagall Act still FEEDS the Beast known as the Federal Reserve (or the origin of our problems) ... yep, that's a good idea

#1 should be none other than --> End the Federal Reserve ... abolish it ... make it defunct ... destroy it.

2. a better and possibly achievable goal -- Repeal corporate individualism
Those would be a beginning ... a foundation ... something to build upon.

what the OWS is suggesting is ... in a nutshell ... pointless and a complete waste of time.



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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I really don't like how the right has picked up and ran with "they are all trust-fund babies or aging hippies". Its the same thing the left did with the tea party and saying its racist. Thats all I hear all day listening to talk radio on the national and local shows. That and Ron Paul is right on everything but is just a crazy old man and needs to just drop out. Both the tea party and OWS need to join together with the independents of each group. Half of the Wall St. Tea Party go to the headquarters of BOA, GE, FED, and the rest of the corrupt corporations. The other half have one big picnic on the south lawn of the White House and Capital Hill. We have this "us vs them" mentality in this country. The left bashes the right and the right bashes the left. Neither come out against the independent. They don't want there to be independents as much as they don't want a Ron Paul. So they ignore them.



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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star for remembering and linking that thread

that was a good one and here is The List

if someone would paste the list into this thread, it would be greatly appreciated

[i don't know how]
all but 2 of my state reps are on that list and several of them are rookies, what does that tell ya?



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 11:01 PM
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I agree 100 percent.. good job



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 11:16 PM
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Good info boys. It's nice to see some people are still well informed.

The thing I think is important to get from all this is that people are willing to stand up again, I truly think that is amazing. Imagine if 15-20 years ago if people rallied against the problems in this manor they would have been called "conspiracy nuts".

One of the things I find funny is that because we are so used to following leadership that because there is no distinct leader then alot of people can't comprehend the message. I also believe it is hard to have a leader in a movement that is againt the corruption of power that leaders create.

I am not saying that I can clarify, alls that I understand is that people are tired and fed up.

Some say that going back to the constitution might be the best thing, but there are problems with that also.
The biggest being that it was written a few hundred years ago.



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by KingAtlas
Every half an hour or so a new thread is created about what OWS is doing wrong.

Most of the time it comes from people here who say that they are targeting the wrong place, saying the wrong things, letting in the wrong groups, and not acting in the way they should.

Truly take in the scope of this, it is a historic event. Honestly when I first joined this site I would neveer have imagined that peopel would be protesting on Wall street, it really amazes me to think that that is happening.

Pointing out problems is easy, creating solutions is hard.


While I haven't copied all of the OP, the part above meets with my complete agreement. It's interesting then, that my agreement is the basis for a new hatred that I have discovered. It's only the second hatred that has come into my life since joining ATS.

Perhaps these stories haven't been posted:
Occupy Museums

The game is up: we see through the pyramid schemes of the temples of cultural elitism controlled by the 1%. No longer will we, the artists of the 99%, allow ourselves to be tricked into accepting a corrupt hierarchical system based on false scarcity and propaganda concerning absurd elevation of one individual genius over another human being for the monetary gain of the elitest of elite.


St. Paul's Cathedral Closed


But the alliance appeared to be faltering yesterday as St Paul’s closed for the first time since the Blitz, claiming it had no choice because of the dangers posed by the growing numbers on its doorstep.

With 250 people living in the London churchyard, the “unprecedented” decision, which will cost the church £23,000 a day, was announced by the dean, the Rt Rev Graeme Knowles.


I address this to OWS, not to anyone on or visiting this site:

You are pigs, monsters, savages. Closing down ART? Closing CHURCHES that haven't been closed in 70 years?

Yes, I will say that you are targeting the wrong place. I defy you to say otherwise.

Yes, it is an historic event and I also am amazed that it is happening. I had no idea that this "protest movement" could become so mindless, so consumed by blind hatred.

Yes, pointing out problems is easy, especially when they're running up to you and smacking you in the face with a lit road flare. If you don't say there's a problem, you're seriously ill.

Yes, I suppose it is possible that OWS could apologize, make amends and apply for readmission to humanity, but I don't see it happening.

I need a drink.



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 11:55 PM
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There was a call to action within all Occupy Movements to inform our representatives to support HR 1489 and HR 2451, either of which will re-instate Glass-Steagall.



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:04 AM
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for those who want to know ... HR 1489
official summary:

4/12/2011--Introduced.Return to Prudent Banking Act of 2011 - Amends the Federal Deposit Insurance Act (FDIA) to prohibit an insured depository institution from being an affiliate of any broker or dealer, investment adviser, investment company, or any other person or entity engaged principally in the issue, flotation, underwriting, public sale, or distribution of stocks, bonds, debentures, notes, or other securities. Prohibits officers, directors and employees of securities firms from simultaneous service on the boards of depository institutions, except in specified circumstances. Requires any such individual serving as an officer, director, employee, or other institution-affiliated party of any insured depository institution to terminate such service as soon as practicable after enactment of this Act. Requires an insured depository institution to wind-down in an orderly manner and terminate any affiliation prohibited by this Act. Amends the Banking Act of 1933 (Glass-Steagall Act) to expand its prohibition against the transaction of banking activities by securities firms. Declares that Congress ratifies the interpretation by the Supreme Court of specified statutory language in the case of Investment Company Institute v. Camp ( ICI vs. Camp) regarding permissible activities of banks and securities firms. Declares that the reasoning of the Court in that case shall continue to apply to the limitations placed upon security affiliations under the FDIA as enacted by this Act. Prohibits a federal banking agency or federal court from issuing an interpretation regarding such security affiliations that is narrower than that of Court in ICI vs. Camp. Makes technical and conforming changes to the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, the Revised Statutes of the United States, and specified federal law. Requires the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, the Comptroller of the Currency, or another appropriate federal banking agency to report to Congress a detailed description of the basis for its decision each time it makes a determination or grants an extension concerning an affiliation between insured depository institutions and investment banks or securities firms.

Notice --> 4/12/11 ?? this is nothing new and nothing brought about by OWS or its actions. don't be fooled into thinking it is.

HR 2451
official summary ...

7/7/2011--Introduced.Glass-Steagall Restoration Act of 2011 - Amends the Banking Act of 1933 (Glass-Steagall Act) to prohibit a member bank from being affiliated with specified organizations engaged principally in the issue, flotation, underwriting, public sale, or distribution of stocks, bonds, debenture, notes, or other securities. Prohibits the staff and personnel of corporations and partnerships (as well as any individual) primarily engaged in the issue, flotation, underwriting, public sale, or distribution, of stocks, bonds, or other similar securities from serving simultaneously as an officer, director, or employee of any member bank. Authorizes the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to grant an exception in limited classes of cases when in the Board's judgment it would not unduly influence the investment policies of such member bank or the advice it gives its customers regarding investments.

also introduced in congress back in July (months before the first OWS gathering)
sure, give'em what they've been planning all along ... that's the right answer



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:20 AM
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How did you manage to come up with the concept that OWS was taking credit for the bills? All I was saying was that Occupy was talking about them and urging supporters to call/email their representatives to let them know as an individual they wanted it to be passed.



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Pointing out problems is easy, creating solutions is hard.


I'm still waiting for OWS to get to the creating solutions part.


I think that is the point of the OP, why don't you stop waiting for OSW to create solutions and help create them yourself.



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Honor93
 

How did you manage to come up with the concept that OWS was taking credit for the bills? All I was saying was that Occupy was talking about them and urging supporters to call/email their representatives to let them know as an individual they wanted it to be passed.

who said OWS was taking credit ???
i said "don't be fooled" into thinking OWS had any impact on it.

you said ... OWS called for the support of both ...
now, why would they choose to support and give the establishment what it wants


ohhhh that's right, cause the whole mess is likely orchestrated right out of DC ... or at least within close proximity



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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To those who think they should be protesting at the whitehouse, go to the white house and protest.



ah yes, the Tea Party did that, in fact a million did. They protested in their cities too. The problem with OWS is they have displaced the problem as being caused by Capitalism, and yes the Marxist socialist professors taught them that, the liberal media taught them that. The organized groups taught them that. Socialist propaganda taught them that.
The protesters say they want Democracy restored in the US. So what does that mean exactly? How would you restore democracy to a system which is already and always was a democratic Republic? We have democratic elections. Obama was ELECTED. Ok so people now want to do away with the electoral college because they feel their votes dont count. That means they want a direct democracy. They want collective bargaining (for Unions of course). They want to soak the rich(thats classic Marxist class warfare).

They do want Glass Steagall and I would support that.

And the Orlando Occupy group organizer openly lobbied the group to re-elect Obama in 2012, and called to "take back the House", obviously it's not even non-partisan.
It is the opposite of Tea Party. They want Bigger govt, more taxes(for the rich) and apparently don't know that the higher cost of food is due to inflation from the Fed printing more money. They've been told by their Marxist professors that it's all the fault of big business and corporate greed, and not bigger govt.


Obama's re election campaign

www.patriotsheartnetwork.net...
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posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by KingAtlas
Good info boys. It's nice to see some people are still well informed.

The thing I think is important to get from all this is that people are willing to stand up again, I truly think that is amazing. Imagine if 15-20 years ago if people rallied against the problems in this manor they would have been called "conspiracy nuts".

One of the things I find funny is that because we are so used to following leadership that because there is no distinct leader then alot of people can't comprehend the message. I also believe it is hard to have a leader in a movement that is againt the corruption of power that leaders create.

I am not saying that I can clarify, alls that I understand is that people are tired and fed up.

Some say that going back to the constitution might be the best thing, but there are problems with that also.
The biggest being that it was written a few hundred years ago.




Yes, people are tired of all the corruption and thievery. So you want to grow govt? Bigger govt allows for more stealing. When OWS organizers are actively calling for re election of the biggest govt expander since FDR, something is wrong....



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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All these protests have done is shown how incoherent and irrelevant these folks are. Other than soiling themselves and the areas where they protest, what have they accomplished?

Stock market is up since the day these "protests" started.

Wall Street is rolling into bonus season and record bonuses will be handed out. Funny. Traders who have just been told they received a $1M+ bonus will leave their offices and walk by these folks protesting.

Corporate profits are rocking, some large corporations like GE and McDonalds coming out with record profits.

Politicians such as Barney Frank continue to push on the Wall Street crowd for more cash and get it.

All that has happened is a number of folks who look and act like mini-woodstocks around the country, without the music.

These people are irrelevant and their movement is irrelevant. Their message and tirade is comical and increasingly annoying to folks who are actually getting up and going to work every day.



posted on Oct, 23 2011 @ 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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I've heard almost no-one mention glass steagall.

I have. In post after post. And the OWS people call me a fascist in return for not standing with the socialists and communists that are tolerated in these rallies.

I suppose it's not that much of a stretch to see why they are supported as the majority of their adherents are far left: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Besides, they have stated time and time again that they don't want reform they want revolution.


edit on 21-10-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)


Hey, didn't you read their declaration before claiming they're not talking about it?

Declaration Of The 99%

It is point 16, but I hope you do read the whole declaration, has you seem to do very few research on the movement. I mean, if you're trying to discredit the movement, at least read their declaration so you know what you're talking about...

Now read this declaration, and see for yourself. Some of these points are extremely good, even though I can't agree with everything. This is a work in progress, and is discussed everyday in the General Assembly. It is discussed here in Montreal as well. Occupy Montreal is now connected to Occupy Together, OWS. Anonymous gifted us a WIFI network.

Eventually, the declaration will get better and people will know better as well. Lots of people exchanging ideologies and discussing society. How can you be against a people's movement filled with free speech and open-mindness



posted on Oct, 23 2011 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
Now again, when is OWS going to come up with a list of solutions to the problems instead of having it's proponents, like yourself, look down your nose at anyone who criticizes your ineffectual and aimless little movement?


Actually solutions HAVE been proposed. it's just that people like you are very quick to plug your ears and start screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!"

Of course, they lack the ability to implement these solutions. But as has been pointed out to you, designing and implementing solutions isn't their job. See, we have this thing called "representative government." Maybe you've heard of it. The idea is that lawmakers listen to the people and device and enact solutions to address problems.

In theory, it works well. When you throw in bribery on the scale of millions of dollars, though...?


It's getting really annoying having to defend oneself for asking questions like "What is your purpose and direction".


If you're getting tired of it, might I suggest you start paying attention, rather than being a child and refusing to hear anything you dislike? Educate yourself. it's all there at your fingertips, man. Don't ask people to put you in a high chair and pop it into your mouth with a spoon.


And no one can come up with an answer. All you people do is deflect because you know as well as I do that you're not getting anything done but throw a tantrum for the world to see while blaming rich people for your problems.
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Never crosses your mind that we're right, either, does it?


Know why the tea party failed, and OWS is succeeding? Because while you guys were stapling lipton to your heads and screaming about birth certificates and "watering the tree of liberty" we've been pointing at the real problem from day one. I can understand that you don't like this turn of events, but honestly, maybe it's time for you to consider an alternative to your position.



posted on Oct, 23 2011 @ 03:40 AM
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I like how the people who rant and rave about "marxist socialist professors" are generally the ones who clearly haven't gotten much by way of "book lernin'"

Tell me. What do you know about capitalism? Do you understand the system you are adhering to like a religious faith? Do you grasp how the system operates, what its beginnings and endings are, its strengths, its weaknesses? Do you understand these factors for any other economic system? You hate socialism clearly, but do you have any real idea why beyond "it's not capitalism?"

If you're going to be stridently supportive of something, as you apparently are, it's a good idea to understand just hat it is you're throwing yourself into, don't you agree? What i've found, over the years, is that many people no different from yourself, honestly haven't got the first clue what any of these systems are about. They just know that "mine good, others bad," a primitive and simplistic argument of blind faith.

So please. Tell me about your view of capitalism.
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posted on Oct, 23 2011 @ 04:12 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Pointing out problems is easy, creating solutions is hard.


I'm still waiting for OWS to get to the creating solutions part.



sites.google.com...

There you go.... No more waiting for you.


They are organized. They have their list ready and damn are they organized.

But hey, if you want to keep complaining and not doing anything yourself, go right ahead. OWS, unlike you... Is doing something.

Read and learn.



posted on Oct, 24 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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I was reading back over this thread, and really interesting opinions.

I think one of the things that we should remember is that protesting on large scale is usually a last resort.
People do try different way befor deciding to protest. Their is a natural build up.

Maybe we could all chip in and get lobbyist? Whys top at one, if wea re going to lobby we should lobby hard.

Actually that might work, if you got everyone who wanted change in america to chip in for lobbyist I think we might be able to get some rel action going.

Just remember the Money Bomb, I think that raised almost 3 mill. Imagine having lobbyist for the people.

I know the big companies spend way more, but could be a good start. If they won't get ride of lobbyist, then fight fire with fire.




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