In Memory of the late Col. Muammar Gaddafi - What History Books will NEVER tell your kids about

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posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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I got about 5 mins in. The fact here, and it's painfully obvious at this point...Gaddafi was looking out for himself and his position in life. If he was graciously accepting of his fellow Libyans, he would have negotiated a separate outcome where life wasn't needlessly lost, kept his mouth shut labeling people as rats, and allowed the infrastructure everyone else helped build to remain intact.


On a related note... I've seen G. Bush at Rangers games, and it makes me puke a little in my mouth.




posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 11:16 PM
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This is what happens to all that oppose the hand of the beast.
but Gaddafi was not a saint. Those of us that have lived long enough to establish karmic balance or imbalnce...we all reap what we sow at the end.

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posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 11:23 PM
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If it was the truth. He wouldn't be dead.

Funny thing about the truth. It usually is displayed by what people do.


Man was a crooked dictator. Let 'em burn and his memory be forgotten.



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 11:25 PM
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Just something that popped into my head would it not be interesting if he is alive again on the 3rd day.



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 12:04 AM
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Hi there OP. Good post. While I, generally, support your opinion, I'd like to add a few points based on some of the replies here:

1) Gadaffi was, indeed, no saint

He certainly had good intentions. I think what happened, though, was that after the earlier "revolution" he consistently was worried about counter revolutionaries trying to take the power back. I'm going to assume that in his frame of mind, he was worried of those trying to take the power away from "the people". Furthermore, I don't think Gadaffi ever truly trusted the people.

If ANY of you actually ever read the Green Book, you'd see that his ideas are actually quite strong and reasonable. In order to keep these ideas working, a certain form of control (or, dictatorship) is required

2) Why all the supporters of a dead Gadaffi??

My guess is that the majority of the 'supporters' are "youngsters" who never actually lived in Libya pre-Gadaffi. As one of the replies states, there are PLENTY of people who absolutely love Gadaffi. They are probably older though.

3) The Monarchists

Has anyone here noticed as of yet that all of the "rebels" are always waving the old Monarchist flags? Furthermore, is anyone aware that the beginning of the "protests" that started this whole rebellion, were launched from organizations based out of the UK and the US? The initial day of protests weren't even organized from those within Libya. That speaks a certain truth on it's own.

In Summary..

I don't think Gadaffi was a saint. He did some stupid things, and trampled the rights of some individuals. That being said, it's Libya - not North America. Things run differently there. I truly believe that he was looking out for Libyans, Africans, etc..Anyone with a basic knowledge of Libya would understand that Libya has ALWAYS been ruled and conquered by Western actors. Gadaffi was the one who 'apparently' was not.

The concept that the whole country is celebrating his death is complete propaganda and stupidity. Yes - I'm sure that there are those who indeed are celebrating. But please, stop pawning off that the whole country is like this. The whole country has practically never been united UNTIL Gaddafi - if that. Seeing as a country has never been unified for centuries, I find it VERY hard to believe that the whole country was against Gadaffi. The success of this operation is entirely due to Western influence aiding and arming a group of disenfranchised youngsters, Westerners, etc..

Thanks.



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 12:23 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 12:34 AM
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Well with Gadfafi dead, it will eliminate a powerful presence
around Iran the next country,
that i'm afraid the us will invade,


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posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend
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If he's such a great guy, then why did so many people participate in stringing him up? Were they all evil?

This is kind of ridiculous, the man was bad news.
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Its kind of ridiculous how you come to that conclusion... Oh sorry.... you saw it on TV...

PEACE,
RK



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 12:48 AM
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Nice post, you went to a lot of trouble, but, a fascist is a fascist. They all have their fans because a fascist has to 'take care' of a certain sector of the population to keep the grip on power. Take for example Francisco Franco, there are still people here in Spain that worship the guy. That doesn't make him some good wise king, it just meant that he controlled the military and used a system of priveledge and punishment to keep the people in line. He was executing political prisoners right up to the end. This is the way of all fascist regiemes.
Clearly Gaddafi wasn't loved by all look at how he ended up, and don't give me none of that western conspiracy BS, he took money from big oil to keep his military well armed so he could stay in power so long, and that's all there is to it. Any monkey could have done the job, and I'm sure BP compensated him handsomely. In fact I'm pretty sure the reason Gaddafi was killed right after capture was to keep his mouth closed about the financial aid he was recieving to drag this civil war on so long. BP needed time to negotiate with the next regieme.

I usually ignore posts such as yours, but I fight fascism in all it's forms, Power to the people!
edit on 22/10/2011 by amodedoma because: I realized I'd made a personal slight after the fact, didn't want to insult...



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
Man was a crooked dictator. Let 'em burn and his memory be forgotten.


And you know this how?

Have you been to Libya? do you know any Libyan people?

No need to answer that, I know you got this part of your education from your TV.

PEACE,
RK



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by IBelieveInMe
The op is right Gaddafi was a great leader for "his people" he did everything he possibly could to help those who blindly followed his lead. What the op fails to provide is details on what life was like for Libyans that questioned his almighty authority.




You mean the disapearances, torture, death penalties and other problems mentioned in the UN pdf the OP posted?

When Eygpt tells you that you should do more to make women equal citizens, there is an issue. When Thailand tells you that you need more laws to protect women from violence and discrimination you've have an issue.

When multiple countries are complaining that you need to at least make a legislation against human trafficking something is wrong.

The trafficking of women and children was a real concern in the country. There was also much international concern about the role women were allowed to play in society. From education to economic involvement women were being actively discriminated against.

A little note from Switzerland

Switzerland recalled that the right to freedom of expression was a fundamental right,
in particular article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and
article 9 of the African Charter. Switzerland noted that hundreds of peoples were under
administrative detention in the country, despite having been acquitted by the court or
having already served their sentence. Courts continued to pronounce death sentences and
inflict corporal punishment, including whipping and amputation. Switzerland made
recommendations.


Human Rights Watch reported on the death of 19men stuffed in shipping crates with little food and water. They were left to die from suffocation.

Libya: 19 Suffocated

Human Rights Watch interviewed two survivors of the incident and a third man who was detained and tortured in one of the 40-foot long metal containers prior to the incident. A video, apparently filmed by a Gaddafi soldier on his cell phone, viewed by Human Rights Watch, shows the third man and five other detainees getting kicked and whipped inside the container. Human Rights Watch also saw the 18 exhumed bodies, all of them in an advanced state of decomposition, when they were brought, on September 8, to the Tripoli Medical Center morgue.


Before anybody calls them a mouth piece Human Rights Watch has also attacked America on many issues. They have a link on their home page to issues and reports regarding the US. They have nothing to gain by fabricating stories against libya.

From a 2003 report by Human Rights Watch.

Over the past three decades, Libya’s human rights record has been appalling. It has included the abduction, forced disappearance or assassination of political opponents; torture and mistreatment of detainees; and long-term detention without charge or trial or after grossly unfair trials. Today hundreds of people remain arbitrarily detained, some for over a decade, and there are serious concerns about treatment in detention and the fairness of procedures in several on-going high profile trials before the Peoples’ Courts. Libya has been a closed country for United Nations and non-governmental human rights investigators.


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posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:13 AM
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You know my sentiments Casius.

Nice thread. Stars and flag all round.



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:24 AM
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Google Great Man Made River

www.galenfrysinger.com...

the Gadhafi government completed a massive project to bring fresh water to the people of Libya
This proves that Gadhaffi was thinking of improving the lives of the Libyan people


he did this project without IMF money --this was his greatest sin

thumb your nose to the banksters and get a bullet

just ask John Kennedy, Jaime Roldos, Omar Torrijos

ask John Perkins author of Confessions of an Economic Hitman

www.youtube.com...



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
I decided to make this thread in memory of a Leader who was greatly misunderstood, betrayed and eventually murdered. Whatever preconceived beliefs you may have of the dead man now, there is no denying about the fact about the overwhelming amount of evidence of the GOOD things Gaddafi did and was potentially going to do.

This is not some "communist", "socialistic" Propaganda that "I'm preaching". Most of it is the cold hard truth which I know is hard to swallow and in no way I'm saying Gaddafi was a complete saint. He was a revolutionary whose ideas posed a great threat to the mainstream Elite establishment - and that is something history will forget depending on who writes the history books.

I hope ya’ll don’t mind this thread being a bit long, as I intend to destroy EVERY LIE about Gaddafi told to you by the Mainstream Media, one by one.



LIE 1: “There were Human rights abuses in Libya and Gaddafi slaughtered his own people”

The primary justification for intervention in Libya by NATO was because "there were severe human rights abuses" under Gaddafi's rule. These claims were in reality, far fetched and laughable, because Libya probably had far better human rights than any other country in Africa. What YOU were told by those Mainstream Media fanatics including all those so called "human rights" groups like Amnesty International (which is no doubt another front controlled by the Elite), were all either fabricated lies or deliberately exaggerated for the justified NATO intervention.
This damning piece of evidence (dated 4th January 2011) from the UN Human Rights website which clearly shows undeniable proof that there was absolutely NO EVIDENCE of serious Human Right's abuses as accused by NATO and UN presently.
Libya Human Rights Report by UN - 4th January 2011

Whats more, SEVERAL countries even praised Libya's excellent Human rights Track Record but they still decided to topple Gaddafi! Hypocrisy or what?!

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I am not sure if you are aware of this but there were videos of loyalists shooting protesters.



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by Argyll
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Bull#

I have a couple of close friends who are Libyans.....according to them Gadaffi was an egotistical maniac who oppressed his people.and filled them with fear!......the fact one of his closest allies was Robert Mugabe should speak volumes, unless you consider him to also be a "misunderstood" soul


Speak to a Libyan.......you won't find many, if any, mourning "Mad dog" Gadaffi.


I agree with you 100% Gadaffi was an egotistical maniac who oppressed his people.and filled them with fear!

OP read this Gaddafi's $250 billion stash
www.nzherald.co.nz...



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:35 AM
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Let's clean the world from the scum that we call our government/army.

This is the time, you will be given a few more invites in the future.



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:38 AM
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Although i respect what you have written and i take it that you feel strongly about it but here is what i think.

Human rights DO NOT apply to a mass murderer, he killed thousands of people including women and children, he may not have pulled the trigger but he certainly ordered most of it.

Being shot in the head it a quick way out, if i had him i would make the pain last for as long as possible. I think its funny how he can beg for his life only when he is captured, when he was in hiding his spokesman was giving all kinds of threats out.

My children have already covered this in their history class as current events project so that alone makes your title wrong.

My rant over.
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posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:44 AM
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You continuously attack MSM outlets, yet you use some of them as sources.

My problem is, when do you decide MSM is truthful? Anything about Libya written in english on the internet could be an outright lie.

So again where do you draw the line? Or do you only believe what you want to believe and wright off what you don't like as propaganda and lies?



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by wcrockett



Google Great Man Made River

www.galenfrysinger.com...

the Gadhafi government completed a massive project to bring fresh water to the people of Libya
This proves that Gadhaffi was thinking of improving the lives of the Libyan people


he did this project without IMF money --this was his greatest sin

thumb your nose to the banksters and get a bullet

just ask John Kennedy, Jaime Roldos, Omar Torrijos

ask John Perkins author of Confessions of an Economic Hitman

www.youtube.com...



They have oil, any country with oil and proper management could be a utopia without ever looking in the direction of imf.



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 01:55 AM
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If the people of the country were all for outing their leader, why did it take 8 months and thousands of airstikes to dislodge him?
Exactly. And why did NATO even get involved? Why were hundreds of air strikes even necessary? They bombed Libya back into the dark ages. And the Rebels NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD A CHANCE were it not for Western help. There are videos showing the enormous support Gaddafi had, crowds of people cheering him as he drives through the city. What kind of person houses everyone else before their own parents? An evil dictator you think? If you believe that, GROW A BRAIN!!! Gaddafi transformed that country from the poorest nation in Africa to one of the wealthiest. Look what Libya has now. Their infrastructure has been bombed to hell, their new central bank will probably be owned by private shareholders instead of being stated owned, they wont have a debt free country, loans wont be interest free, and a lot of other things will change. It wont take long before they understand the consequences of this. Mark my words. Libya is now a puppet on strings.
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