There was not just two options.

No matter how much you want to try to make it so.

This option allows not democracy - they just REMOVED a democracy in Tunisia for a snap election to install Islamists - this option allows for Islamists to own the resource rich Horn of Africa.

This is NOT in my best interests in the long run.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Education failure.
Comparing a homicidal dictator to George Washington and throwing in some dead Indians as a strawman that were dieing way before his time and long after.
Yeah google will educate you, prop up your misguided perceptions and teach you all you ever need. There is nothing wrong with google, the problem is between the keyboard and the chair.

As a clue, look up on google who was the first President to step down and not run for another term. Dictators tend to die in office for a reason, they never give up power.

Lol while I do fully agree with you, I just wanted to add one little piece. George Washington and others of the time period believe in the Roman idea of the Benevolent Dictator. The story of the farmer hero that would abandon his fields, assume absolute authority during times of war -- all for the benefit of the country--, only to return to his fields and abandon power once the conflict has ended. That is one of the roles Washington saw himself playing until he resigned his post. It also played a role in defining the role of the presidency in respects to being the commander in chief.

The definitions we are using for the word are quite different. I just found it amusing how someone really wanted to compare and inadvertently mixed up two definitions of the same word without even realizing he was doing it. Nor in the end would they even comprehend it now.

Side note: The term benevolent dictator has shifted meanings since the revolutionary era. In many cases nowadays, it is used to site anyone that assumes complete dictatorship for the betterment of the state, rather than the humble hero/ defeats threat/ returns to humble life situation that defined it in that era.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by jondave
Good Job. I hope Iran's leaders are paying attention so they know their future.

Iran isn't my friend.

And neither are the Islamists removing all governments, including democratic ones, in Africa.

Excellent Point!. The Muslim Brotherhood is actively gaining their foothold in that region one step at a time. Egypt, their fatherland, was first. Somalia is ripe for the picking by the MB also.

It's getting very complicated because we now have boots on the ground in Uganda. A nation that originally offered Gaddafi refuge at the start of the rebellion.

The Islamists just removed the elected government of Tunisia and kicked off snap elections in the name of "democracy building."

Various countries (western) are helping Al-Shabaab with keeping their regions of Somalia, and helping them come back to Mogadishu.

The "Arab Spring" in Eygpt is being led of Islamists.

The southern half of Sudan has succeeded....bet you didn't know that. It has suceeded possibly as the only ACTUAL example of a real constitutional democracy during this upheaval, and you didn't hear squat about it.

It suceeded just in time for Sudan to confirm it is becoming ENTIRELY Shariah based constituationally.

Mauritania is in an all out battle against Al-Qaeda, who have state explicitly in the last few years that Mauritania's government (elected) is resisting THE Islamic State. They are amassing out of Mali

Niger is under extreme attack by Islamists, who are killing people for being educated.



You want to see the line in the sand? I just drew it for you.

okay everyone, back on topic: if you are cheering on the death of Gaddafi, are you also cheering on the downfall of Libya? Anything else about Muslims brotherhoods and African islamists is off-topic unless it can somehow be shown their connection to Libya and especially the cities and towns being bombed by NATO.

Ghaddafi was far from a dictator. Nor was he their King. He was not even the President.

Thinking that murdering him (which I don't believe they even did) will change much is WRONG. There are still the over ninety percent of the people that were behind him. They do not just roll over and give up cause they got one guy. He is now a martyr which will fire them up even more. Don't believe anything you see on TV, NATO and their mercenary "rebels" are NOT winning over there by any stretch of the imagination.

You people are quite small minded. It's just like thinking Osama, I mean Obama, is running the show. Do you think if he was taken out somehow anything would change? Duh.

The majority of Libyans wasn't in favor of Gaddafi, just too afraid to speak out...which isn't suprising given his torture prisons. He was also bat# insane given his UN speeches.

Will his removal result in a fairytale democracy where everyone's happy? Who knows, but at least for the moment, people aren't stuck with a horrible torturing dicatator. His sons are just as bad. When Hannibal hit a servant in Switzerland, he got all pisssed off because the Swiss put him in prison...as if hitting someone is fine just because you're the son of a leader. He promptly took 2 Swiss businessmen hostage, and if the EU hadn't blocked Libyan visas, they would still be in prison.

In short, one less horrible dictator is better than the status quo. At least now the people stand at least a chance to reform their country...